Why happened to the ancient Greeks? Were they just bred out of existence or did they move somewhere else in Europe?

romans happened*

Pull your head out of your ass, I was referring to the pre Indo-European people living in Greece. They're still the same genetically today.

It's amazing how dumbasses here can say the stupidest things with a straight face. And there are people who get their information from here! Dude, do you know where you are?

Can't see my face idiot

It's bedtime, jr.

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>Ancient Greeks never went anywhere.
Then how did they found colonies all over the Mediterranean?

>WE WUZ MEDS N SHIT

Fucking snowniggers REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>sun god has golden hair
I dunno...

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Underrated post

Soooo, which is it?

Bred out of existence by Bulgarians/Slavs and Turks.

Plus a lot of "Greeks" today are just relocated Anatolian Christians.

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blood is culture

No. Language is culture.

>implying Alexander wasn't blond and had one blue eye

mediniggers will deny it, but the ancient Greeks don't have a genetic legacy in current Greeks

read the Illiad, they are all described as fair haired and light skinned
after centuries of genetic displacement, they are now a Levantine/Turk mix

The Iliad describes many characters with blond hair. "She (Athena) grabbed Achilles by his blonde hair" Iliad, 1.197

Aren't Menelaus and Achilles supposed to be red haired in the Illiad?

Achilles has honey coloured hair
not exactly a common Greek trait these days...

Found an interesting article on topic:
dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/

In Hyginus' Fabulae it is said that Achilles' mother sent him to the island of Scyros, to hide him from the Achaeans who seeked his help in the Trojan war that was about to start. He disguised him as girl named Pyrrha. This name too suggests that Achilles was blonde or somewhat red-haired, since pyrrhos means "flame-coloured" or "yellowish-red". Any shade between the two is a fine guess.

>There are only four mortals in the Iliad who are described as xanthoi. From this scanty evidence, the generalization “the Achaeans were blonde” is arrived by the Nordicists. Does the absence of descriptions of brunets signify that there were no brunets in the southernmost extremity of Europe in Mycenaean times? Clearly, such a thesis overlooks the common use of color terms as distinctive attributes of their possessors. It is more reasonable to think that Menelaos and Achilleus are described as xanthoi, while hundreds of other heroes are not as indicative that these two possessed a trait which was otherwise uncommon, i.e., light pigmentation of hair. The same can be said for light eyes as well, and e.g., Athena’s light eyes caused the scorn of Hera and Aphrodite in a text by Hyginus who presumably did not have such eyes (Hyginus, Fabulae, Marsyas).

>We must also dispel the notion that xanthos always refers to yellow hair, or that purros refers to purely red hair. For the former, we note that Aristophanes used xanthizein to describe roasting meat, which of course does not turn yellow. Additionally, Strabo uses xanthotrichein and leukotrichein (making hair xanthon and making hair “white”) indicating that xanthon was a darker shade than extremely fair hair. George Cedrenus uses it to describe the eyes of the Virgin (xanthommaton); eyes are rarely yellow, unless jaundiced, which seems unlikely in this case. In modern Greek it may be used to describe any color short of black [22]. In ancient Greek, according to Barbara Fowler [28] was any color short of black or dark brown, while Wace [22] believes that it may have been at most auburn. Color terms are notoriously relative; xanthos may only be taken to mean the fair end of the Greek hair continuum, not blond. This impression is enhanced by the descriptions of northern European hair as polios (gray, usually of old people) or leukon (white) to be found in Greek literature (Diodorus Siculus, Adamantius Judaeus).

And about red hair:
>As for purros it is noteworthy that the common Greek words for fiery red eruthros is not employed for hair, while purros is given by Aelius Herodianus (Partitiones 115, 10) for the color of eyes. Human eyes are never red, or so-called strawberry blond, but they are often of a brown tint mixed with red. It is certain that at least in some cases, reddish brown is intended, while in others, as e.g., in describing German hair, reddish blond may be appropriate, given the known pigmentation of Germans. It must also be remembered that no ethnic taxon of man is recorded as being primarily red-headed. Therefore, purros means having a red tinge, it does not mean redhead.

Where did the ancient greek tribes come from? Could it be possible they came down from somewhere north and thus were more fair skinned and blonde?

So Homer described their greatest champion as blonde?

The author of this article says that his haircolor probably wasn't really red, because the word they used too describe it could also be used to describe eyecolor, and normal humans don't have red eyes. It was probably some shade of brown.

So, he just had regular blonde hair.

People tend to forget that many Christian levantines and Armenians relocated to greece throughout the years

Not really (acc. to the article). Achilles and Menelaos are described as "xanthoi", which in modern Greek means "yellow", but in Ancient Greek the words with the same root were used to describe the roasting of meat and the color of human eyes. Meat doesn't become yellow when roasted and and humans don't have yellow eyes. The author also says that Greeks (both moderna and ancient) don't call the hair of Northern Europeans "xanthoi", they call them polioi or leukoi ("white", not "yellow").

>So Homer described their greatest champion as blonde?
Well, the greatest of all Greek heroes was Hercules, and he looked basically like the happy merchant.
>There are numerous references to brunets in ancient mythology and literature, e.g., the Muses, Poseidon, Alcmena, Theseus, Zeus, Dionysos and Odysseus are described as possessing either dark hair or dark eyes. Hercules, the Greeks’ favorite hero is described as dark (melanan), hook-nosed (grupon) by Dicaearchus (Clement of Alexandria, “Protreptic to the Greeks” 2.30.7). Hercules was also proverbially melampugos (having a black behind) as indicative of his bravery, as opposed to pugargos (having a white behind), a coward [29]. The Greek poetess Sappho (an aristocrat from the isle of Lesbos in the 7th c. BC) reveals that both she and her mother were dark (Fr. 98a, line 11). Philoktetes and Aias were also both brunet-skinned and black-haired (Malalas, Chronogr. 104, 3-8). The Spartan kings were Heraclids, claiming descent from Hercules. Similarly, Agamemnon and Menelaus, the Atreid leaders of the Achaeans in the Trojan War were descendants of Pelops, whose name means "dark-faced" [55]. Some have argued that Menelaus is described by Homer as xanthos to reflect the racial type of the Greek aristocracy; if this was true, how odd that the founder of his dynasty (whose name is preserved in that of the Peloponnese, lit. Pelops' Island) would be described as “dark”.

Auburn then. Or the term could have been more general back then. Color and the language associated with it has an incredibly interesting history.

The Greek "xanthos" encompassed everything from classical blonde to light brown.

They're probably describing a shade of dirty blonde then. Not all blonde hair is platinum.

>it's just a shade of blond go- I mean guys, a very dark shade that is; meaning: it's actually pitch black, and frizzy; yes, the Greeks were sub-Saharian Africans! After all race is a social construct, right? (Except the Jewish race, hehehe...)

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Modern Greeks have zero Turkic admixture

Where did the ancient Greeks come from?

Greece

Turks are Asian, they looked like chinks before they moved west. Turkic people in Central Asia still kept their original features. It was the Turks who got assimilated by Greeks, not vice versa.

Where did they migrate from to get to greece?

Africa

They were always in Greece

"Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracians have blue eyes and red hair." - Xenophanes (a Greek)

And pic related are not even gods, let alone a sun god. How do you explain this?

Where did Indo European people come from?

I thought I had read before that at least the Hellenes came downot from the north.

Down.

meanwhile in turkmenistan

Same thing that happened to every historical ethnicity. They morphed and bred with the other ethnicity to create new ones.

He wasn't. There are paintings of him during his life. Sorry Snownigger but you lose this one.

What paintings from his lifetime have survived? Unless you mean descriptions of those paintings?

Hercules was a black man?

Well, he certainly was swarthy:
>Hercules, the Greeks’ favorite hero is described as dark (melanan), hook-nosed (grupon) by Dicaearchus (Clement of Alexandria, “Protreptic to the Greeks” 2.30.7). Hercules was also proverbially melampugos (having a black behind) as indicative of his bravery, as opposed to pugargos (having a white behind), a coward [29].

Yeah, from the context it obviously means tanned (the same person can't possibly have both white and "black" behind, unless it's one capable of getting a tan, hence white). Try harder Jamal.

that huge dick next to that faggot in OP pic... kek greeks confirmed for being massive faggots

>red pants
>blue helmet
Yikes

>color

Never meet your heroes.

Just very dark. Masculinity and darkness went hand-in-hand in ancient greek art.

Basecoats.

Socrates came and corrupted the greeks, and after he had revaluated all the hellenistic values he came to become viewed as the ideal man. Coincidentally, aside from being a famous philosopher, he is also know for being fucking ugly. And the rest is history.

holy shit what a load of hair splitting nonsense and mental gymnastics. Greek people can be blond or red haired, ancient and modern. Red hair is a trait found among dark haired populations anyway. All the nationalities with the most redheads are predominately dark haired people. Scandinavian redheads have scottish ancestry

>Turks are Asian, they looked like chinks before they moved west
Oghuz Turks were already mixed with Eastern Iranics before they migrated further west.

> Turkic people in Central Asia still kept their original features
Turkic homeland isn't Central Asia but the Altai/Western Mongolia. Modern Central Asian Turkics are a mix of Eastern Iranics and migrating Turkics.

They still exist, they're called Greeks.

Retards that push the "raped out of existance" meme are just that, retards.

Culture, religion, traditions and language can change. But ethnically/racially the people are the same.

>its a le ancient greeks were nordic episode
dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/

>read the Illiad, they are all described as fair haired and light skinned
there are exactly 4 people in the iliad with blond hair , snownigger

Look at these pale, blonde, blue-eyed Germanic Aryans!

t.Friedrich Neetsche

And yet many of the gods are described to have pale features, fair colored eyes, and blonde hair.

they also can throw lightning bolts
Hera is described as cow eyed and zeus transformed into a bull
Were the ancient greeks descended from a race of bovines?

So blonde hair was supernatural in ancient Greece?

Hera is called “white-armed” by Hesiod, while Homer called her “of snowy arms” and “white-armed goddess” at least thirteen times in The Iliad.

it has a symbolic meaning in the context of mythology
is the sun god having blond hair proof that ancient greeks were nordic?

Athena, the daughter of Zeus, goddess of wisdom, insight, cunning and strategic warfare in The Iliad, is described no more no less than a total of 57 times as “blue eyed” (in some variations, “green eyed”), and in The Odyssey a comparable number of times. Pindar referred to her as xanthos and glaukopis, meaning “blonde, blue-eyed.” Hesiod is content to call her “of green eyes” in his Theogony, as well as Alcaeus and Simonides; while the Roman Ovid, in his Metamorphoses, calls the goddess “manly and blond maiden.”

what if
people had different hair and eye colours in ancient greece

just a thought

you still dont get it
just because some gods are described as blond doesnt mean the ancient greeks were nordics
is this so hard to understand

"Homer and Hesiod have ascribed to the gods all things that are a shame and a disgrace among mortals, stealing and adulteries and deceiving of another. And this he held was due to the representation of the gods in human form. Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracians have blue eyes and red hair.

If horses or oxen or lions had hands and could produce works of art, they too would represent the gods after their own fashion" - Xenophanes

>ancient greeks were club footed

>a god being club footed
>NOT a perfect example of Greeks making gods appear more human.

still doesnt prove the ancient greeks were nordics

>Where did they migrate from to get to greece?

From what is now Ukraine.

>a sun fairy had yellow hair therefore Greeks also
Homer was born 500 years after the Trojan war, odds are his physical descriptions are bullshit just like the numerous sky fairies interactions in his story, picrelated is what Greeks actually looked like at the time of the Trojan war.

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Pic related how people looked like in the early 20th century.

By Classical Greece times the Greek explorer Pytheas visited most of northern Europe and this is what he had to say about Nordics:
"The numerous population of natives live in thatched cottages, store their grain in subterranean caches and bake bread from it. They are "of simple manners" (ēthesin haplous) and are content with plain fare."

Didn't Menelaus have red hair?

>unironically using the term "sky fairies"

This desu, I got an Afghan man who drops by 7Eleven every night buying beer and smokes and he looks like an eskimo.

Every people on earth was primitive at some point. What is your point?

This fresco is extremely stylized, whereas the sculpture in the OP is from a period in which the artist strove for realism. So which one should we trust to depict more accturately how the ancient Greeks look like?

We know from similar art in the Period that mostly the women but also men were depicted as extremely pale. Do you know a race whose female offspring is exclusively pale white and the men are exclusively brown? No such race exists.

There is of course a simpler and truer explanation, namely that the art was stylized the people with brown skin were wearing a tan. Only white peopl people be both pale and tanned. Brown people can't be both pale and tanned. Moreover this agrees with our knowledge of the customs of these early societies, in which men would go out more, thus getting tanned, and women would stay at home.
In other words you're a retard.