Has Western feminism always been inherently bourgeois...

There are multiple kinds of oppression and they intersect; these various oppressive systems are mutually reinforcing.

That's a 'wacky idea'? Do you know why many Feminists consider the 1st & 2nd waves, and most forms of mainstream Feminism, Bourgeois? Because they felt, and feel, it focuses too often on the struggles of middle-class White women at the expense of working class and women of color. For the longest time, people didn't understand the basic, seemingly obvious truth I laid out in the beginning of this post. Many Feminists like, and liked, to boil things down to, "It's all sexism!," because it self-servingly lets them keep their privileged positions in society while removing the few barriers they face. In the exact same way, "It's all class--all your problems are due to class--ignore your identity politics!!!" is used. For the same reasons.

Was a reason I said this thread wasn't made in good faith.

Not that user, but intersectionality as a concept is one of the few redeeming concepts in third wave feminism. The people who ignore it or don't understand it are ones who say things like "it's impossible for men to be oppressed," "white privilege means all white people have it easy," and other things about oppression that most people find stupid. It's the only academic model that even tries to account for the complicated factors that create shittiness in people's lives.

That being said, it's a fairly new concept, and even a lot of the people who talk about it don't do so very well, partially because the academic landscape is still dominated by upper-middle class white women with little self-awareness. The more it starts being talked about in ways that are actually meaningful, the less feminism is going to keep being the caricature of itself that it is now.

>literally privilege checklist: the ideology

Back to tumblr

Sounds retarded to me.

No one denies there are many different "intersecting" biases.

The problem is the proposed solutions to it which ignore individualism in favor of some sort of enforced equality

Intersectional feminism is better than white feminism, but is generally still very bourgeois

Really, I'd say Capitalist more than anything else. Anarcha-Feminism exists, and so too its cousins, but it's not quite as easy to swallow for many.

Why?

...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Sentiments
the feminist movement formally got its start as a splinter group of abolitionists among middle class new England women.

They even badly plagiarized the Declaration of Independence

Why can't people just be cunts without acting inside of a comprehensive institution of cuntishness? Intersectionality is the far left's attempt to stake a claim on feminism -- something that has always been about white women.

Feminism must be socialist and socialism must be feminist imo

Intersectionality illustrates why feminism is so shitty.
It really shows that feminism isn't about fighting sexism, it's about improving women's lives. Meaning it's a shitty, toxic ideology.
No, racism is NOT a feminist issue.

>cuckold ideological concepts

can you imagine someone taking a person who posts shit like this seriously.

>what is ironic quotation

Butthurt fanatic spotted

>Why can't people just be cunts without acting inside of a comprehensive institution of cuntishness?

Because people like to build societies that uphold their ideals. Which infect later generations with those ideals; those generations reinforce the strength of the ideology and the institutions that uphold the ideology in society and so on.

> Intersectionality is the far left's attempt to stake a claim on feminism -- something that has always been about white women.

Well, many, consciously and not, do agree that Feminism should only be for White women. It's simply that people who are against Feminsim tend to condemn Western (White) Feminists for not turning 100% of their attention to the ME/Asia etc because they don't want Feminism in their proximity. It produces a nasty feedback loop.

Many agree. Problem is, more people are stuck on Capitalism or, worse, "It's all class!" Thus leaving us in this situation. What do you recommend? I have no ideas.

It's not, but it does intersect with Feminist issues and play a part in their origin and continued existence. WoC like to have that acknowledged. Same for Working-class women and so on.

I don't know about always, but currently it definitely is. Same with groups like BLM. They're all run by rich trust fund babies, they haven't known struggle for a single second of their lives but they want to feel like they're a part of something. They want to cover up their real privilege with fake oppression.

>Same with groups like BLM

i don't think this generalization is fair. lots of poor people have participated in that.

I didn't say "participated", I said "run by". Of course there are plenty of lower-class people involved in these movements. But the actual direction of the movement is dictated by the people least qualified to do so. Which is why it's not shocking when these movements engage in activities that are blatantly counter-intuitive to their supposed goals.

I don't know much about BLM, but it sounds like the poor are being duped if what you're saying is right.

Ah, now I see what you're trying to do. It's a fun little bait and switch for you people. Baseless slander against some of the "leadership" (which it doesn't have, BLM was founded by some people but has progressed well past the point where they can command shit) to discredit the entire movement. Hundreds of thousands of people are fighting, all across the world, for greater police accountability but because a handful of people weren't born in ghettoes the entire movement is illegitimate. Next you're going to say the riots weren't actually done by poor people fighting against their oppressive state apparatuses. Plus, I'm sure the disruption caused by the protesters (specifically to bring light to their issue, because protesting quitely in corners doesn't achieve shit) was actually a ploy to make them seem...I don't even know what. Moreover, you used that unproven idea to make a bullshit attempt at discrediting the goals.

Disingenuous bitch.

Do you need a hug

BLM didn't start because the jews decided to start riling up the niggers, but because the near ubiquity of high quality video that can be uploaded to the internet in almost real time without any sort of gatekeeper started to undermine the law enforcement narrative.

Your greatest enemy is not Al Sharpton, but Steve Jobs.

Look at her

Look at her and laugh

Neither, Jesus Christ.

Intersectionality is elementary. If you're black racists don't like you. If you're black and homosexual you will take flak from both racists and homophobes. This isn't exactly a revelation.

So why are they giving it a pseudointellectual label and trying to pass it off as some kind of science with their own unnecessarily convoluted lingo?

Obviously they are abusing people's fear of racism etc. The people who fall for this are emotional stupid people and to an emotional stupid person such a simple idea is a revelation. Giving it a pseudoscientific gloss helps give it that image.

The solution is education, to get people to put aside their feelings in favor of logic, to teach them how to think. This would vastly improve their lives and do far more to combat racism etc. However you are doing the opposite, you are heightening their fear of racism, in fact you probably think I am racist right now just because I am disagreeing with you which proves how irrational and emotional you have become. Leftist demagogues are your real enemy.

No, it started because american blacks are even more obsessed with race than white rednecks, and assume that any time a black man dies at the hands of cops it's entirely unjustified - and they're riled up by MSM journohacks looking to invent the next civil rights movement.

So now any time an "unarmed black man" is shot and killed in questionable circumstances the burden is on the police officer involved to prove that he wasn't a good ol' boy that thought the naggers be gettin' too uppity

>Sociology is a fucking joke.
>X it's an overcomplicated and retarded way of saying Y
That is the entire "discipline" of sociology in a nutshell; Taking trivial and widely known observations that could be explained in mere minutes and turning them into pretentious, sophist, dissertations that waste entire hours

>Intersectionality it's an overcomplicated and retarded way of saying that some people may have it harder than others.
It's remarkable how sociology exerts so much time and hot air into a concept that basically says something I'd like to think every healthy human mind must come to terms with before they become an adult
>Life is not fair

>It really shows that feminism isn't about fighting sexism, it's about improving women's lives.
In it's current state, I wouldn't even go as far as say It's about improving women's lives abroad. I'd say it is about improving feminist lives. Any women who disagrees with them has "Internalized misogyny" or whatever half-assed cop out they fancy to retort

>Same with groups like BLM. They're all run by rich trust fund babies, they haven't known struggle for a single second of their lives but they want to feel like they're a part of something. They want to cover up their real privilege with fake oppression.
With this having come to light in recent years it's made me wonder how many activist movements from the mid-twentieth century onward were largely spearheaded by impressionable, easily mislead, starry-eyed dimwits with way too much free time and their hands and not enough actual important things or genuinely worrisome problems to occupy themselves with. First world problems, anyone?

Wouldn't be the first time it's happened in the states. Deception has no allegiance to any one political ideology. a useful idiot is a useful idiot

>video that can be uploaded to the internet
Which video would that be?

>So now any time an "unarmed black man" is shot and killed in questionable circumstances the burden is on the police officer involved to prove that he wasn't a good ol' boy that thought the naggers be gettin' too uppity

How is this bad, exactly?

I don't even particularly like black people, but obviously there should be an investigation anytime someone is shot by a police officer. A police officer isn't just a man with a gun, he's got certain rules he needs to uphold and has to it that fairly. There's a reason every statue of justice has her wearing a blindfold.

>The solution is education
Formal education is the root source of the problem. It's not just a matter of WHAT they are teaching. It is that they're susceptible the being reduced to echo chambers wherein ideologues relish in their own gibberish, creating enormous amounts of useless concepts which they sell to similarly useless people. Creating a machine of uselessness in which they pilot to one morbid end or another.

Unfortunately, this may very well be in endemic flaw of the nature of the classroom; One blowhard states and the front of the class and babbles for a few hours. It may just be an inherent fault of formal education which cannot changed

>to get people to put aside their feelings in favor of logic, to teach them how to think
As nice as this sounds, not every human being is capable of being rehabilitated to such ends; Lo, very few are.

The problem is that listening to an angry mob is self-defeating because their pound of flesh eventually becomes two, then four, then eight.

There usually is, it's not like each cop is going around executing 12 random blacks per day and receiving zero punishment. It's hilarious because many of these laws or "accountability measures" they're sperging about are already in place, and contrary to popular belief, PDs and officers do get prosecuted if they're caught breaking the law. The supposed bloodbath in the streets is largely exaggerated anyways, police homicides make up only a small percentage of annual killings in the usa. Chicago streetgangs are doing a much better job of killing black people innocent or not.

>>The solution is education,
Only liberals believe this. Liberals have been educating the pleb actively for 100 years and 100 years later, it cost more and more and the results are not here

>but obviously there should be an investigation anytime someone is shot by a police officer
There is. He is charged with homicide and faces trial in court accordingly

No it's not womanism is very working class and anti respectability politics. Black feminism in general is, so too chicana and indigenous feminism

Huh ? What's wrong about wanting to improve people's lives ? Equality is worthless without liberty, and struggles that lost sight of the quality of everyday life are dead. We could become all equally miserable, but why would anyone want this ?

Intersectionality failed. It should have been about destroying all sorts of oppression in a coordinated manner, but it became indentity politics, where people wear their specific oppression like a flag, where the need to belong overrode the desire for autonomy.
Black Lives Matter shows the perversion of that system, when they demonstrate that deaths of blacks caused by whites matter more than when they're caused by blacks.

>is this a recent development of the expressly capitalist New Left
That is my impression at least. The new political left has essentially accepted the capitalist narrative and does not care about economical issues any more. Identity politics have taken their place, Capitalism is perfectly fine, exploitation of workers is no issue as long as all genders and races get an equal share of the exploitation, both as exploiters and exploitees.

Why are you posting a hate-symbol?

Modern western leftism is degenerate bourgeois nonsense

>t. bourgeois

I am but I'm not a leftist. Under a communist lens however I can see how the modern left is not what Marx envisioned

Marxism doesn't really require MUCH orthodoxy. It's not like a Protestant relationship with the bible. Communists see Marx as the foundations and there have been continuous tweaks.

I mean, Lenin thought Marx was wrong on a lot of things, Trotsky did and Mao did too. Most Social Democrats, whose main goal is to implement Socialism, see Marx as wrong on a lot of things.

So I guess the modern left think that Orthodox Marxism really wouldn't work today.

>So I guess the modern left think that Orthodox Marxism really wouldn't work today.

Do you? Do you trust and believe in 'The Vanguard'?

I'm not a communist.

>all across the world
Not really

100 years? Try 200.

>Intersectionality it's an overcomplicated and retarded way of saying that some people may have it harder than others.

>police accountability

Should've made the movement about police and not just about niggers then.

You mean liberalism

>triggered.

There isn't a difference at this point, sorry, boyo.

""""""ironic""""""

theoretically, no, but practically, in terms of its greatest impact for culture and politics, yes.

It isn't that isn't solely class, but that it's primarily class. The sort of thing you're talking about has been used, especially lately, to divide the impoverished and working classes.

Marxism is fucking cancer, holy shit

Feminism is fucking cancer, holy shit

Why?

Well it's bourgeois in the sense that it's not about class struggle. Beyond that I'd say no, not inherently

However modern feminism has definitely become a tool of the bourgeoisie. It distracts and divides the working class against itself because it's repulsive and wrong enough that it's always pissing off most good natured people and will never truly accomplish anything, but appealing enough on identity politics lines that it will always have a critical mass of recruits to fight, offend, and be offended eternal. Thus creating manageable strife among the working class.

It's also a new opium of the masses (for women) now that traditional religion is falling out of favor. Yes young woman, your life sucks not because any systematic economic-political system of control like capitalism, but because THEY the patriarchy are plotting against you and holding you down. You're miserable because you're a "fat hambeast" and the patriarchy has conspired to convince society that that is somehow not sexually attractive. Not because of the systematic commoditization of all social relations to where even things as simple as love and sex have been reduced to another competitive billboard advertisement, and when you're not a good competitive commodity you have nothing left. If you smashed the patriarchy you wouldn't be fat shammed anymore and your life would be happy. So don't think about things like worker pay decoupling with productivity or worker alienation, just read more outrage blogs, you fat bitch.

Anyone who know the name of that book which author drives the thesis women has mainly use men through history rather than the other way around who later got isolated from other feminist author s because of it?

the manipulated man

Feminists still do all of those things though.

Inter-sectional feminism does not exist in reality.