ITT: Good guys who are misunderstood

How exactly was he good? I'm not saying he was bad either, I'd just genuinely like to know

I wouldn't say bringing China in from the cold was pointless. In fact, I would call it the biggest U.S. foreign policy victory in its history.

At a time when imperial socialism was threatening the entire world, he devised a method to mitigate the risks.

He was the first man to recognize the Vatican as an independent state.

>Got rid of mafia
>Invented social security
>Better educational system for Italy
>Created many jobs
>Improved infrastructure in Italy and colonies
>Was a good colonial ruler (except from his brutality in taking Ethiopia)
>Respected by many others, like Churchill, until WW2
>Crushed threat of Communism in Italy
>Gave Church authority because he believed in a moral society, not because he was religious

Really?
Can you tell me any more? I'd like especially to know about the social security thing.

Would he be one of the most respected figures of the 20th century if instead of ignoring everyone's advice and going after Ethiopia, he had joined Britain and France in stopping Germany?

>defending slavery is somehow villainous

Just a friendly reminder that slavery was technically outlawed in the south before the north.

Now that I look over it, I don't know if he invented it so fourth, but he definitely introduced it in Italy, and was probably one of the first to introduce it in Europe.

>Pension schemes
>Welfare
>Compensation for workers
>Education was made compulsory

>Welfare
wtf i hate il duce now

>to fight people with spears and horses
Ethiopia had a fucking air force

irrelevant

All of these things are actually bad

/pol/ please go.

I didn't know that 'stealing = bad' was a /pol/ opinion

>I oppose things because socialists would also do it

Take this hypothetical situation, /pol/, you work hard all your life but when you become too old to do the trade you did all your life, there was no pension scheme to help you. Or, you lose your job because the factory you work at gets burnt to the ground and there is no welfare to help you in your transitional period. Or your children become illiterate because there is no school for them.

>implying /pol/tards would ever work or would allow the state to educate their kids

Just a friendly reminder that it was Northerners who outlawed slavery in the south.

>you work hard all your life but when you become too old to do the trade you did all your life, there was no pension scheme to help you.

Get a gun and rob your neighbour

>you lose your job because the factory you work at gets burnt to the ground and there is no welfare to help you in your transitional period.

Get a knife and hold up a store

>your children become illiterate because there is no school for them.

Kidnap a teachers kids and force them to work for you.

It's quite easy to come up to solutions for societal problems if your allowed to use force.

>fascism

its like cuckoldry the ideology

And so are babies, right?

>anti-fascists have been 15 year old edgelords since the 1930s
Really makes you think...

I bet you're an unironic ancap

In all fairness, so have fascists. Both the Italian fascists and the Nazis were reportedly extremely popular among high school students, to greater degree than with any other social group

of approximately 2 bi planes

I'm serious

Nope. Socialist. The law should apply equally for all.

Doesn't surprise me, to be honest. Socialists basically hate the working class nowadays.

source: Hollande's labour laws

>spooks
>>>/leftypol/

>implying innate human rights exist
>implying that those unable or unwilling to keep themselves free deserve freedom

Pretty sure Germany pioneered the concept of Social Security about 50 years earlier.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Social_legislation

Ofc, they are reactionary ideologies that attract the active generation.

t: pro fascist (at least on some sense)

You do realize a functioning society is a prerequisite to being able to use your "solutions"? which you apparently dont like?

drink a tall glass of acid my man!

My point is that none of these are solutions. Any society that calls them one but only if the government does it cannot be referred to as 'functioning'.

We cannot continue to ignore the violence of the state.

cite me 10 sources that proves this point

>be mussolini
>give authority to church because church helped you get there
>replace people in jobs with partisans
>be incompetent
>lose
>get hanged

Could you explain what specifically you admire about his actions in government or leading up to government?

It seemed more like he achieved very little and got railroaded by his supporters into ruining his nation.

Well, mainly his ideas. I read the Doctrine of Fascism and it was a great insight as to what Benito believed in and what he wanted Italy to be.

He was rather benevolent towards all people, including blacks and Jews, until he was in the position where he wanted a stronger alliance with Hitler, and passed the Manifesto of Race in 1938.

In terms of what he achieved, he might not have done much on a global scale, but in Italy he definitely repaired it from the state it was in at the end of WW1. While his conquests and performance in WW2 were humiliating and pathetic in some ways, he cared very much for his people and his homeland and was always trying his best for the Italian people.

I believe if he stayed neutral, like Franco, he could have been in a better situation.

IIRC, wasn't Social Security a Prussian concept?

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>Instead of
Germany and Japan were the biggest supporters of Ethiopia to the extent they even gave them material aid

Whereas Italy was just repeating exactly what France and Britain had already done

He just wanted to use legal memes.

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"Fascism is an idology of cuckoldry"
>Pro-family
>Pro-religion
>Pro-Nationalism
>Pro-Masculinity
>Encourages Motherhood and rewards women who fulfill the role with excellence
>Hates Nihilist-ideologies (ie. cummunism)
>Protects priests and nuns
>Protects the working class and manufacturing jobs
>Fights against racial miscegenation
>Believes in values greater than "muh freedombs 'n dildos mang!"
>Isnt afraid to use extreme measures to protect its people.
>Isnt globalist filth
Ohkay.

Fascism, at the higher ranks, is for irreligious people - religion is taken as a tool. Besides Hitler and late Mussolini, no fascist leader actually actively opposed miscegenation.

It literally had one airplane used for military purposes.

"Fascism, at the higher ranks, is for irreligious people."
>Hitler - catholic
>Francisco Franco - catholic
>Pinochet - catholic
>Mussolini - "In Italy, a political man did not even turn his thoughts to the Divinity. And, even if he had ever thought of doing so, political opportunism and cowardice would have deterred him, particularly in a legislative assembly. It remained for me to make this bold innovation! And in an intense period of revolution! What is the truth! It is that a faith openly professed is a sign of strength"
>Sir Oswald Mosley - Christian Monarchist.
I have to disagree man.

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According to Goebbels, Hitler was irreligious in private and he did have the SA do things like smear feces on altars and destroy churches in Germany and Poland.

>getting rid of freedoms
c u c k

Hitler was as much a Catholic as Stalin was Orthodox.

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>served in WW2
>created the EPA
>normalized relations with USSR and China
>major funding to Science with "War on Cancer"
>ended Vietnam war which was started by LBJ
>limited nuclear weapons
Honestly were it not for Watergate he would have been one of our best Presidents. It's silly to consider watergate as terrible since we almost elected Hillary Clinton who did things a million times worse.

The BUF was pro religious tolerance, user.
Hitler wasn't religious himself and many top nazis were atheistic.
Mussolini also wasn't religious himself.

Take it together with red fascism - these guys had to drop the atheistic shtick to make their plebs cooperate.

Like what? Emails?

We did had one president get away with high treason: Ronald Reagan. Nixon's plot didn't involve funding death squads or dumping weapons on goat herders, so he was many folds less morally bankrupt in my view.

>Was part of the Easter Rising
>Fought back when Mick Collins and the Free Staters sold out to the Brits
>Made Ireland a Republic Again instead of a Free State
>Stayed neutral during WW2 and was the only world leader to send condolences to Hitler upon news of his death
>Maintained a good balance between the rule of law and Irish Republicanism
>Ruled longer than any other democratically elected leader

Nobody in history has had a greater role in shaping Ireland than Eamon De Valera and I'd say he did a pretty good job.

>fight to create a republic
>when the legitimate government of said republic doesn't agree with you, immediately go to war against it
>while you're off being a sperg, the Brits manage to consolidate their rule over Northern Ireland

0/10 Whiskey Rebellion tier leader

yeah and nixon had what? magnetic tape?

get real

Given the current state of places like Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, etc., yes I'd say muh states rights aren't all they're cracked up to be

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Mick Collins had already sold the 6 counties away, and that was part of the reason why he went to war with the Free Staters

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>church
>moral
Come the fuck on man

>yeah and nixon had what? magnetic tape?
What? I'm not saying that either Nixon or Clinton were specially bad or weren't, I'm saying it isn't reasonable to expect that there was anything in those emails that was "a million times worse" () than what Nixon got on tape.

>entire ideology centered around "freedom"
>endorses child slavery
What the fuck guys

>relenquishing personal freedoms to the state
>is a fucking failure
If that doesn't scream cuckoldery then I don't know what does

>social security
>better education
Lmao sounds like faggot gommie in denial

Stalin was a good Christian boy who did nothing wrong

How did he improve the world aside from starving commie faggots?

not the first nixon guy but it depends on what you think is worse, political espionage and maneuvering or global subterfuge to propagate war and death because people paying you told you to

School still exists you mong, and some people actually have family and a retirement fund.

>everyone who opposes any state program is a libertarian
Neck yourself parasite

>[COLLAPSES]

He played a part in enforcing an uneasy peace in Europe, raised the life expectancy and literacy of the people (that he didn't send to the gulags) through socialized healthcare and education, industrialized a backwards country, and, ultimately, united the west against him. When the USSR fell most of these fell under the sphere of influence of the west, while still being ahead of most third-world countries.

>special snowflake-ism

Pathetic, user.

Not an argument

>global subterfuge to propagate war and death because people paying you told you to
Wow, easy there.
1. War and death are as certain as taxes. I like peace, but shit like Russia taking turf from Ukraine is not a sign of good times to come.
2. Banks weren't pushing for war as far as we know, and there isn't much to point us in that direction, it's just that Clinton's conservatism (relating to the US's economic stance on the global market at least) is more aligned with big capital's interest than Trump's protectionist agenda is.

>>Hitler - catholic

Hitler hated the Catholic Church

>>Francisco Franco - catholic

Not a fascist

>>Pinochet - catholic

Not a fascist

>>Mussolini - "In Italy, a political man did not even turn his thoughts to the Divinity. And, even if he had ever thought of doing so, political opportunism and cowardice would have deterred him, particularly in a legislative assembly. It remained for me to make this bold innovation! And in an intense period of revolution! What is the truth! It is that a faith openly professed is a sign of strength"

Anti-clerical

>>Sir Oswald Mosley - Christian Monarchist.

A meme

>Confederacy
>legitimate

> >:( MUH FREEDOMS DONT U DARE TOUCH MY DILDOS AND WEED user! TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON MY TAKING HUGE COCKS IN MY ASS IS JUST BEING A C U C K
> REAL DEGENERATES ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THINGS LIKE FAMILY, HONOR, COURAGE AND VIRTUES THAT DONT REVOLVE AROUND CUMMIES!!! >:(
t. ancap dragon dildo collectors

>yes daddy please take away my freedoms you are clearly superior to me let me lick your boots
Literal cuckoldry, the only point in supporting fascism is to become the dictator yourself. Anything else would just be slavery.

>I just wanna have fun, bro
Neck yourself, normie

>i want everyone to be a sadsack wagecuck like me
Neck yourself, normie

> "Grrr Hitler isnt a catholic because all that bad stuff he did! (no true scottsman fallacy also plz dont look into the old testament i promise all those guys were super nice and never killed anybody really)
>"Pinochet and Francisco Franco arent really fascists!"(despite there being literally dozens of books and the majority of political scientists saying otherwise)
> "Mussolini wasnt really a christian... h-he was just joking all those times in speeches and IN THE FUCKING BOOK HE WROTE "doctrine of fascism"
> "Sir Oswald Mosley isnt a real fascist because he never acquired power in Brittan and is a meme.... because so many people like him..

Come on guys, I will concede that there was alot of atheists and creepy pagans in the upper echelons of the Nazi party, but Hitler himself is a self admitted catholic in Mein Kamph. Alot of shitty christian apologists will try to distance themselves from the political ideology of fascism but you cant just ignore direct quotes from the men themselves and cherry pick contradictory quotes to prove your points

>t. teenager with authority issues due to an absent father

Its sad times were living in, really. So many young men missing authority figures that they take to silly political practices like An-cap or full blown anarchy in order to strike out at society.

Hitler wasn't a Christian because he despised the necessity of mercy, and yes although born a Catholic, his rejection of the church was a certain feature of his regime. Also, can we get a quote from the
>self admitted Catholic in Mein Kampf?

Sure thing user, Im honestly not even that much of a /pol/ak I just think facism is interesting and my jimmies get rustled when Veeky Forums will outright ignore a historical figure saying "I AM X" and instead quote someone else who says " Nah he was actually Y, I know better than the guy himself what his spiritual beliefs were"

Quotes from Mein Kamph:

>“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”

cont.
>“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.”
>“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the
practical existence of a religious belief.”
>“And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”
(Next quote is talking about hitlers aspiration to become a priest in his youth)
>“I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn
splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the
abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my
father, the highest and most desirable ideal.”
And finally the most blatant quote I could find with a quick google search
>“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

cont. (last)
I have no clue why green texting isnt working with these quotes but w/e

“Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy
enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an
overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted
to live at this time.”

>IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH GENARILISSIMO DADDY TAKING AWAY UR FREEDOMS THEN UR A BIG MEANIE GAY ANCAP BUTTHOLE
>Why yes Mr leader you can fuck my wife, ur a strong figure bro :)
t. cuck

If this was /pol/ I would be willing to bet this post is placed by one of the following:
> A poo in the loo
> A Swede
> Or most likely A LEAF
such poor shitposting should be punishable by death.