My arts degree is belittled by those with STEM degrees. I'm told my English degree is worthless and useless. That's a hard thing to face. You say, "Look, OP did it to him- or herself," saying that his or her own arts degree is not making any money. We are told over and over again that our fields of study are outdated and a waste of time and money so much so that we have internalized the message.
So we get the degrees in the humanities because that's what calls to us, and then later we find there are no jobs or every job requires a different degree because our culture on the whole has devalued the arts. Even the government budget wants to defund the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities this year, even though those things take like 0.03% of the budget. I have personally met someone who feels like he shouldn't have to pay this pittance of a tax because he doesn't like art. Yeah, he's not getting a second date.
But what employers and STEM majors don't get is that we arts majors can be really useful and versatile. We may need a little boost in some maths like accounting and statistics if we go into business, but we will be the most well oiled cog in the machine because of our communication skills. Insurance representatives, social workers, school administrators, secretaries and assistants, human relations personnel, writers and editors and journalists and publishers, clerks and record keepers, librarians. Not to mention, we're behind a lot of the ideas in the entertainment industry. Video games are just interactive literature; we need software devs and writers and visual artists to make a good game come alive.
We need to stop telling the arts majors that they're worthless. And we need to start telling everyone else that the arts are priceless.
My arts degree is belittled by those with STEM degrees. I'm told my English degree is worthless and useless...
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>still falling for the STEM meme
But my in-person communication skills are not good... (getting better though)
Two McDoubles and small fries.
Pretty gay post, OP. The problem is that the skills developed in humanities programs (communication skills, critical thinking, research) are all easy to bullshit and don't require a degree to develop.
>humanitiesfag projecting on this board
get the fuck back to Veeky Forums REEEEE
blah blah, your education ain't shit, BA/BSc or greater is but one indicator of a person's ability, however it's what you do with that learning that counts, things like:
- independent research and discovering valid sources to support your arguments
- ability to communicate difficult-to-grasp concepts to mouthbreathers
- identify and acquire kowledge&skills that are/will be sought after
- ability to be one step ahead of everyone in your environment
- ability to hold interesting conversation, entertain new ideas without having to embrace them, grow relationships with people of similar or greater caliber
If it makes you feel any better, if I were a millionaire I would be a philosophy major, rather than a STEM major
Necessity breeds innovation, I suppose
Humanities doesn't generate profit in our free market like STEM does, that's why its shit
The only successful artist was hitler. I hope you`re a grill so you can marry a stem degree or tradesman,stay at home with your doodles and try not to get fat.
Why do you feel you need government money to pay for your art? You have the whole fucking internet. There's never been a time in history when your art could reach so many people.
>t. /dropship general/
This is one of the most worthless posts I've read on here. The only way you can make a lot of money in art, unless you're one of the very few that get lucky, is to meet some shady people and start laundering money. That's it. If you want to merge your love for art with a career, you're better off going into advertising or graphic design. I have watched too many friends and old classmates not only regret getting an art degree, but are now depressed because their double art majors are worthless and they're applying to stock shelves at grocery stores because they can't find a job that pays well doing "art." OP is fag. Don't spread this lie.
because literal shit on canvas is harder to do and more impressive than an engine transmission
have a you you filthy animal
so after fully reading this post, what the fuck are you doing on Veeky Forums?
>we're behind a lot of the ideas in the entertainment industry
stop pls
This. Studying the arts is for patricians. You shouldn't have studied it if it was going to make you a debt slave.
Kek
So before i cuck my shit up, i want to go into busines management or something of the sort in college.
What should i do? Any economic related majors that aren't autismo?
>studied philosophy and psych
>just got a job at a software company
STEMfags stay buttmad constantly. They don't want to hear that their pedantic little degree is actually worth nothing. Someone should've told them, the field is oversaturated. Can only have so many autists in the world...
I graduated in STEM, but I respect arts, especially fine arts. Hell, even modern poo on canvas has some value, I'm sure many saw Picasso as a retard in his early days too. Tone down on leftism and arts will be great again.
Thanks, pasta saved.
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>Any economic related majors that aren't autismo?
finance and accounting
I respect philosophy majors. They're high IQ
Fine arts, english and women's studies are scum tho
> especially Fine arts
> modern poo on canvas
Are you indian? If so, gib posw plox.
I got a degree in English literature and now work in business.
I was looking into finances actually, alright user ill take your word for it and get into that shit when i start college.
Thanks man
no problem buddy
consider looking into other skills to go along with finance, such as marketing, management, compsci, economics, and the aformentioned accounting
try to get an internship at a local bank or investment firm, it's more fun than it sounds
Good point, OP. Your degree isn't exaclty worthless.
It's just... worth less.. than mine. I didn't say so, society has just collectively agreed on this.
You can study what your heart desires, if money isn't an issue to you. But unless you have literally no living expenses, money is an issue to you.
>That's a hard thing to face
Kek you made that choice.
Also, this is literally the money board, so go back to Veeky Forums or wherever the fuck thou camest from.
I have an English degree and work as a maintenance tech in a factory. Love the job. Plant manager also has a humanities degree.
>critical thinking
>research
>humanities
Lol no. You're thinking of STEM.
In humanities they mostly teach you how to fake critical thinking and intellect through linguistic ostentation and memorisation.
>get bachelor's in English and TeFL certification
>study Arabic for 4 semesters
>get to spend college being comfy and reading books and doing what I want
>now work in the middle east making 70 k a year untaxed teaching English to rich Saudi kids
STEM is merely a meme propagated by undergrad autists
>one of the only ways to make decent buck languages is to learn throat cancer, go to the desert and teach english to spoiled little mudslime spawn
Thanks for proving the point.
>getting one mcdouble with Mac sauce and small fries for exactly $3
Thas it mayne
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That's a wyvern
Art isn't worthless. But, it is studied mainly by people that are either lazy or have low IQ.
IMO art majors will have their day of reckoning when automation kicks in. Suddenly those liberal arts type of jobs will be the only jobs left that only humans can do.
It's probably a good investment now to get an art degree. In 10 years all the cucked STEM jobs where you do work on a PC and don't talk to any customers will be the first on the chopping block.
t. majored in math, currently a professional programmer
You honestly think that art will be difficult for actual AI to understand and create? 95% of graphic design, be it banners or website layouts, will be so fucking easy for a computer to spit out 50 options in 10 seconds.
I agree that art in itself would be easy for machines to do. But I was considering more the type of actual jobs that an art degree would lend itself to, like being a hostess, being a school teacher controlling a class of kids, etc., just any job that emphasizes not being autistic.
LMAO. All degrees are memes. Normalfags don't study at all.
>automation will replace engineers
Nigger what, if anything it will replace low skilled/ repetitive tasks, not design oriented tasks like engineering. If anything every company will be hiring engineers to replace all the Chads and Stacies.
What you say makes you seem not knowledgable about CS or a fraud.
Near future automatisation, while potentialy vast, won't include an algorithm that can itself create seperate alorithms for a multitude of problems.
Where did it all go so wrong that Only STEM is relevant anymore.Also almost all stemfags in my country work as programmers. Why do we need so many programmers?
>Near future automatisation, while potentialy vast, won't include an algorithm that can itself create seperate alorithms for a multitude of problems.
Look up deep learning.
I know you're either 1) lying or 2) a shit programmer because we will be the ones automating all those jobs away in the foreseeable future, and we have nothing to worry about until advanced AI comes along.
Because we live in the times of the informational revolution.
Think of how in the industrial revolution almost every older field of work incorporated machines in some way and mechanical engeneers and machinists were the shit.
Can I have a Chicken Zinger meal with diet coke please.
I know it feels weird I can't think of a non minimum wage job that doesn't involve sitting in front of a computer.Fucking weird.
You look it up.
Not going to solve this proplem.
Lol. What are your qualifications on AI?
An understanding of computers based on writing PHP shopping cars != Understanding AI
It will be EASIER for a machine to automate things like designing a bridge (something where all the variables can be known a priori) than to automate controlling a class of kids or convincing someone to buy a car.
The trend of AI has been solving things that are hard for humans (read: STEM) yet struggling at things that are easy for humans. This will continue as AI becomes smarter, and it will go from doing chess better than any human to designing space rockets better than any human could. Code itself would be theoretically impossible to completely automate, but what could happen is an AI compiles an ordinary description of a program in English to the complete machine code and the English description would then become the high level code.
>won't include an algorithm that can itself create seperate alorithms for a multitude of problems
Actually you're right, this is far more basic than deep learning. You're implying it's impossible for one algorithm to spawn another algorithm from it. These are called NP problems, and there are a lot of them that have been solved.
it's pretty cash desu
soon i'm going to move to dubai :)
every other person these days is a programmer, and do you know the stereotype of a programmer? i dont want to be one, neither should any of you
>designing a bridge (something where all the variables can be known a priori)
Wanna know how I know you're not an engineer?
My condolences.
>These are called NP problems, and there are a lot of them that have been solved
This problem has not nearly been solved.
Fucking lol'd.
I believe in five years, TONS of degrees will be somewhat worthless due to the distribution of wealth that Bitcoin is doing. I mean, part of me thinks we'll all start jacking into the Matrix and learning kung-fu. If so, I challenge you to Mortal Kombat.
there's a difference (that you seem to be missing) between an AI designing a bridge by itself and having that bridge built without human intervention vs. an engineer using AI to help design a bridge, certifying its safety, and that bridge being built.
the AI that can design a bridge that's safe completely on its own is still many years down the line.
but you'd know all this if you knew what you were talking about.
>there's a difference (that you seem to be missing) between an AI designing a bridge by itself and having that bridge built without human intervention vs. an engineer using AI to help design a bridge, certifying its safety, and that bridge being built.
Gee whiz, it's almost as if I said DESIGNING rather than building. Also, designing the bridge is what STEM graduates are primarily needed for, not being a construction worker.
>the AI that can design a bridge that's safe completely on its own is still many years down the line.
Keep telling yourself that. Also keep telling yourself that I have no credibility to prevent harm to your superiority complex. STEMcucks WILL be put out of a job before the liberal arts faggots. Thinking otherwise stems from a misunderstanding of the nature of AI and the trends in AI over the past several decades.
Even Mark Cuban agrees.
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you're delusional. and you know I meant designing a safe bridge. stop reading blogs and try looking out into the real world sometime.
>even Mark Cuban agrees
oh wow gee i'm totally sold now
:^)
Your mistake wasn't choosing an artistic path, your mistake was going for a college degree instead of a portfolio for accreditation.
All degrees are worthless unless you want to wagekuk
arts is shit you do for fun and if you make money from it, great. not some shit you go to school for. get rekt faggot
The problem is not that the humanities are worthless but a humanities degree is. Universities currently prefer to push left wing indoctrination over any real arts education. The value of a great thinker and speaker is self evident but too difficult a path for most students. Classic literature is incredibly accessible and cheap nowadays so many serious minded people prefer to educate themselves away from the universities. Also many humanities students lack the real world experience to match their reading and are very smug and self-righteous, so the job market treats them harshly.
The difference between arts and STEM is that you can be a successful artist without any education whilst that is hardly possible in STEM, except you are some kind of genius.
Just look into hentai games and shit. Those people make 4k+ per month just for updating their midtier porn every other month.
>"he doesn't get a second date"
OP confirmed fag
>le saturation
If saturation matters, you don't matter.
Saturation is something average people care about.
Look here faggot, I'm high as fuck in cocaine but I think you can understand what I mutter here:
you don't DESERVE A JOB for existing or even putting in effort
You will get out of the market what you put in, simple as that. You don't dictate what the market wants, you either provide what it demands or you don't have a deal.
There's people like you that think a job has to be something AMAZING AND LIFE INSPIRING and rule out "boring jobs", it's like some japanese shit or something
if you need to get the satisfaction of your life OUT OF YOUR JOB you're doing it all wrong to begin with.
Oh, and if your goal is "to be happy", never forget that happiness is a byproduct of achievement.
I don't know gh
Studying arts should be only when you want to get into an arts field that needs lots of time to learn.
For me, that thing is 3D modelling/animation, so that's what I'm studying, but not on a college, since they're expensive and there's this SJW nonsense mentality between the students (and even teachers too)
But when I see people doing the same digital drawings in the same tumblr style or being wannabe snob fine artists that will never sell anything... I just can't, these people are dooming themselves by paying that much for something that won't get them anything in return, as they're very likely to not succeed in getting an stable job or money income
Only brainlet stemfags and politicians would see education as purely utilitarian.
>going to school to get a job
I am loving every laugh
Though even for humanities it's hard to get into a really good school. In today's climate you're better of studying on your own for the most part if you're into humanities. But you have to actually put effort... Can't just read books you also have to write and evaluate your knowledge somehow.
Education is up to the individual. No amount of institutional investment (government funded public schools, or post-secondary schools) can make someone learn if they don't want to. public education was a mistake
Artfag here. I got a BFA and got in debt. I wanted to be up there with James Jean and/or Genndy Tartakovsky, (that is still my dream.) However, I am just not practicing like I should and I remained distracted by bullshit in my life, also I have to live with my parents because I am still in debt. Also I am deeply fearful of putting my work on twitter or instagram, I am self-conscious of my art so I've killed all of my chances of being a professional artist. To add, I also hated the work of my peers, most of the garbage art are fads, like people who draw in that homogenous tumblr style, people who want to work for wizards of the coast(10,000+ artists and 12~30 new cards a year?) Or the ever famous concept art world, where you are pretty much designing someone else's vision? Seriously, Fuck that, if I'm going to be an artist, it's going to be on my terms.
But last week I realized I think I can still be an artist(for myself), and perhaps I can escape my viscous cycle. I know I can just "do it" but that's not going to cut it when I can't even masterbate when my moms sleeping in the next room. I've decided to change my path. I am going to start my own business and become an entrepreneur of some sort( no idea what to do yet ) But I know I can figure something out.
Anyway realizing I can put my "dream" on hold and come back to it later was a huge mental relief and I just let it go. I still draw, but it's only for me. I'll bet my new path will produce much more fruitful results than the time I've let go to waste the past 6-7 years.
>we will be the most well oiled cog in the machine because of our communication skills.
>Falling for the "STEMfags have poor social skills" meme
I assure you that game theory, decision theory, neuroscience, and Big Data will teach far more about how to manipulate people than anything you learned in Women's Studies 4A or Microaggression 250.
Holy fuck, you are literally me.
>Just look into hentai games and shit. Those people make 4k+ per month just for updating their midtier porn every other month.
You need relevant skills to draw and create the games. It's competitive just like any other field.
>we will be the most well oiled cog in the machine because of our communication skills.
rofl
Maybe on Veeky Forums & reddit. In real life there aren't as many programmers as you would think. Normies can't program.
>English major
>Art
kill yourself
Is a BSc in Psychology Science or arts ?
brutal
Sounds like the perfect skillset to shill, why isn't OP making bank pitching the shitcoin of the week?
okay, but WHAT DO YOU PRODUCE?
A farmer's valuable to society. An entrepreneur's valuable to society. I even agree that an artist is valuable to society. All these brilliant arts majors that were having sex while I was studying - what are they contributing now?
It's not like I'm particularly proud of producing plans for fibre optic networks, but I'm doing something that someone wants. What have you learned besides criticising and seduction, or do you think people should want you to do those things?
I got two music degrees and I'm doing all right. The trouble is in the US there's very little respect for culture because we have a monoculture of money. It's easier to make a living in Europe because they actually value it as part of their culture, instead of importing it as a novelty.
That being said, I'm still in the USA and I'm not rolling in money, but working in music here is getting me $70k-$100k per year.
I would never want to see the NEA go away
but you don't need a 4 year college education to be a participant in the arts
Thing is humanities majors are easy to get, so a lot of people get them and now the market is over saturated.
Also who gives a shit what calls to you, this isn't a movie. College is an investment and of anybody gets a useless degree it's their own fault.
>You need relevant skills to draw and create the games.
You can just use rpg maker, draw your own sprites and character models, and you're good. There are middle schoolers that are capable of doing this.