When democracy turned into a degenerate political system...

We kinda have that in Britain, a mostly appoinetd second house with limited powers to slow down moves government might make.

>otherwise a handful of metropolises would vote for the entire country.

Of course old Betty-Lou and Cletus' votes should be worth 5x more than your average city dweller because they live in the sticks!

A small town in bumfuck nowhere should have more voting power than a medium sized city which actually generates significantly more GDP for the country!

>my toy political system
In mine, due to the high quality education, citizens would be chosen randomly, and they would be simple workers because the "system" is already defined and the workers only have to follow the guidelines.

>pederasts
There's nothing wrong with that while it's consensual. Try to keep your mind open next time.

Equality, or rather equity

>people with more knowledge, experience and cultural background
You got me. I actually raged.

That would be difficult as education is tied with wealth usually and you'd end up with a system that favors wealth citizens over poorer lower class ones.

>In less populated states a persons vote is worth more than in more populated states.
That's actually a myth. In a state with higher population your vote has a lower chance of deciding the outcome for your state, but your state has a much higher chance of deciding the outcome of the election since it will have more electoral college votes and the way the system is weighted happens to be that you, individually, generally have a higher chance of deciding the election of you live in a more populated state. This is assuming everyone votes randomly of course, not taking into account whether you live in a red/blue/swing state.

Not sure if your image is related, if so (and if I got it) I'd say that "A votation is rarely decided by a single redpilled vote".

Might we fix it by improving the minimum quality of life, that would be provided by the state?

Contrary to... ohio? How is this an achievement?

>city dweller

So someone who knows how to waste their money shopping and go clubbing? At least country folk and people from small cities have legitimate skills, hobbies, cultues, and communities

Whatever you say, Cletus.

>quality
Yes goy limit the voting system so we can refine our brainwashing in your colleges muahahahahaha.

Now that we are here, what are your thoughts on my test? Would this be possible in real life?

I'm sorry the existence of people who aren't like you upsets you this much.

>Might we fix it by improving the minimum quality of life, that would be provided by the state?
The bar for passing the test would probay be raised and the easy solutions to solving that problem will be discarded as socialism or welfare state

>racism and elitism is socially acceptable when directed against people i don't like

I don't even hate leftists. I hate people who try to compromise with such psychopaths over their terms more.

Gotta love when leftists's mask fall off and they show their hatred and bigotry against whites, Christians, males...

>with limited powers to slow down moves government might make.
>limited

Does the House of Lords seriously have ANY real power anyone? If so, I'm surprised.

Gotta hate when someone questions the status of the elite

I know, right? Watching the elitist cocksuckers squirm due to Trump has been the best part of this entire election cycle.

It's good that we're changing things up imo. Democracy and Republicanism work well when you have people in charge that listen to and care about the people under them.

If you think trump cares about the average person who voted for him i feel sorry for you

other than the random part, this sounds somewhat familiar...

>when you have people in charge that pretend to listen to and care about the people under them
Ftfy

The elites of America have always been jewish males not white males.

>"Watching the elitist cocksuckers squirm due to Trump"
>Trump fills his cabinet with elitists and tokens

What did he mean by this?

what is being changed up? what do you expect in the coming years?

A good example of bad implemented nice ideas.

>oligarchy
>good

>modernism
>left

>waaah, more people will have jobs and I'll have more money in my pocket, waaah

For one thing, watching Romney, Ryan, the Clintons, etc go down in flames will be fantastic, as will the revival of American manufacturing and space exploration.

But more importantly it's also a fascinating time period from a Veeky Forumstorical point of view because we have an incredibly detailed example of a pendulum shift (The complete and utter failure of global neoliberalism/neoconservativism and the transition back towards cooperative nationalism rather than divisive globalism)

The urban vs rural dynamic would not magically disappear if the electoral college were abolished. That's a tale as old as time. It would just mean that campaigns would have to cast a wider net, rather than ignoring "safe" states and going after a small handful of swing states. It's not strategically viable for a GOP candidate to simply camp out in, say, Los Angeles. It would be much more effective to craft a nation-wide message that appeals to as many Americans as possible while also electrifying their base. It would indeed mean spending a bit more time in California and a lot less time in Florida, but keep in mind that California is not universally blue, it is only MAJORITY blue. States that are basically "safe" under an electoral college system would be up for grabs in a straight democracy because every vote counts.

Would the presidential candidates have to change their politics in order to get elected? Absolutely, but that's not a bad thing. Faith in the system is at an all time low, voter turnouts are pathetic. There needs to be a paradigm shift.

Democracy is degenerate because it gives uninformed people votes. Only smart, informed, experts should make important choices.

I don't expect everyone to learn economics or geopolitics. Everyone should just live their lives and do their thing. I just don't want those people decisions that are serious and beyond them.

How do you determine who is a "smart, informed expert"?

>actually believing that
Gonna be Bush 3.0 looking at his cabinet picks

Your naiveté is rather cute. First election, right? You'll learn.

>actually believing campaign promises
Now i understand why the Founders only wanted wealthy landowners to vote.

I don't know for sure, but what I do know is that the "hurr durr, build wall" and "well she's a woman vote for her" types that talk about tax plans in terms that would make Keynes and Hayek kill themselves should not be allowed to vote.

At least not on those things.

You should actually look at his cabinet picks before casting judgement, as it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

I think a lot of Hillary supporters are suffering from "Why doesn't everybody think like me" syndrome when it comes to the electoral college. Trump's victory shows an example of what you're talking about with nation-wide messages. His refusal to bow down to political correctness won him Michigan, many democrat leaning portions of the coasts. Pic related.

This

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>muh jobs
Those jobs are gone, unless the people that worked them want to earn $2 a day.

Yes I have. And I can't even be susprised by these picks since I saw it coming when he chose his VP

We should ban inheritance and determine who is a smart informed expert via their success in life.

If we really want to get our utopian benevolent dictator hats on then we should also separate all children from their parents at birth and raise them in communal state facilities.

>separate all children from their parents at birth and raise them in communal state facilities

or instead just vetting people before they can have kids.

But what happens if the smart and informed experts start wanting to benefit their own children due to their successes?

>as will the revival of American manufacturing
You understand why manufacturing was outsourced right? If rannagood can live off 1.2 bucks a day then you're gonna fucking hire him, the only way to make seriously competitive manufacturing is to cut down on basic living standards, China's an example of this.

No, it is not. Foxconn, Softbank, and Carrier are an example of this. When corrupt politicians intentionally raise the cost of doing business to try and skim off the top, businesses look elsewhere to save a dime.

Automation, combined with lowering the cost of doing business in house, work just fine.

We've been trying your method of "Just bend over and let the rich and powerful take what they want" for years. It doesn't work.

>lowering the cost of doing business in house

"Yeah just get rid of safety standards, environmental protections, minimum wages, workers rights, taxes that pay for society and whatever else to make our outdated old steel factory great again"

Eugenics is a bad idea on the count that humans can't predict the future and so can't actually know what traits will be useful in the future so that they can selectively breed them. The point of evolution is survival of the most adaptable, and only nature can test who this is or isn't.

There's also the fact that the descendants of great people probably aren't going to be great themselves as evidenced by the fact that the living members of now deposed European dynasties are very unremarkable. And the fact that it's not overly uncommon for great people to be born to humble backgrounds.

If I'm getting my really, really big utopian benevolent dictator hat on then we should take advantage of free will's non-existence to aim to create a slave race of civil servants that smoothly run and maintain the state whilst doing literally nothing else.

>When corrupt politicians intentionally raise the cost of doing business
Right, i'm gonna do a quick calculation.

Minimum wage for a cambodian textile worker per month is something like 140$

Minimum wage for an american textile worker is 7.65$ oer hour, if you hire an american worker to work for 10 hour's you've spent more than if you hired a cambdian for a month.

I'm not saying that countries need to bend over, i'm saying that outsourcing has legitimate economic reasons that are very difficult to rectify without making incredibly significant sacrifces.

>Eugenics

Ok ok ok slow down there bucko, I wasn't talking eugenics when I said vetting people, I just meant like a drivers license thing that made sure that criminals, addicts and abusers don't get kids that turn out like shit. I didn't mean like genetic testing and stuff.

Or we could keep all of that and lower the cost of business. I dunno why you think that's what "lowering the cost of business"entails, or why you think Americans would work in conditions like that. But hey, if you want to keep sucking corporate dick, be my guest.

You say you don't want to to use eugenics, but then how are we going to create a slave race? Just through mind-numbing levels of propaganda at every level so that even though the slave-race isn't actually genetically distinct they're all braindead goons due to Big Brother?

>gun control
>liscence granted on special cases like hunting
wew
guns are fun, don't be a dick

>no central bank
>no minimum wage
oh shit nigger what are you doing

If by that you mean not letting certain portions of society have children then that's basically just soft-eugenics.

>significant
It doesn't have to be. See: Carrier.

Lowering the costs to business cannot be done without loosesning regulation or cutting wages, this is a simple fact, if there is a magic way we can make america into a manufacturing economy, please do tell.

>Just through mind-numbing levels of propaganda at every level so that even though the slave-race isn't actually genetically distinct they're all braindead goons due to Big Brother?
That very thing.

Individual deals created by the president himself does not an economic policy make.

>keep sucking corporate dick

>mfw someone tells me I'm sucking off corporations

>His refusal to bow down to political correctness won him Michigan, many democrat leaning portions of the coasts

More like a good portion of the so-called "Obama coalition" simply didn't vote. It was less abstract concepts like political correctness and more "I've lost my factory job and am now working a shitty part-time job and the government hasn't done jack to help". Trump broke the mold by actually appealing to blue-collar voters. He positioned himself as strongly anti-outsourcing and pro-worker. Hillary, meanwhile, took that demographic for granted.

In that case it was a very specific appeal to a very specific group of people, far from a nation-wide message. Also it's a mistake to believe that a map like that is somehow a reflection of the electoral college, pic related. A huge chunk of the map will always be red because of low population density. And Obama won in 2008 by a landslide by popular vote and by electoral vote.

Democrats always win the popular vote m8.

As someone who spent most of their life in Rockford, no we fucking don't. You do your work, you waste some time with your three buddies (who were your buddies since 1st grade), and then you go to the bar and either gamble or hope there's a new face to hit on.

>good chunk of the jobs are still being outsourced
>got $7 million in tax breaks from Indiana
>only worked because they were worried about losing government contracts
>no guarantee that they won't just up and leave later

Not to mention the terrible implications it could have. Every corporation will take a page out of Carrier's playbook and start threatening to outsource unless they get favors from the federal government (which they were already doing except on a state level). It's not a sustainable policy.

Sorta, they can delay bills for a year so they could theoretically kill a government bill if the opposition didn't want it in, were poised to be elected and if the bill was passed in the final year of a term, but other than that they've got fuck all power.

>2004

Also that would immediately stop being the case if the electoral college were done away with, the GOP would have to change up its game. Such is the nature of politics.

>Not to mention the terrible implications it could have. Every corporation will take a page out of Carrier's playbook and start threatening to outsource unless they get favors from the federal government

It is. Unlike other countries, the US has the #1 consumer market on Earth, so even a company outsources, their products will still be produced primarily for American market thanks to American purchasing power. Now they need to be slapped with high enough import tariffs so that outsourcing will become unprofitable for them, and they'd have to return.

>outsorucing to become unprofitable
Dude we're dealing with situations where it's more porfitable to hire a guy for a month than it is to hire another guy for 10 hours, the insane ammount it'd cost would only serve as a hurdle for larger companies and indominatable walls for smaller ones, lowering the competition in markets.

For somebody who wrote a book called "Art of the Deal", you'd figure he would know more about leverage.

>>Personally my toy political system would involve a Parliament being randomly selected from the citizen body
Yes, I love when liberal plebs fall back on ''let's just get a random guy'', admitting thus that they have no fucking idea on what system to build to realize their fantasy of ''a just society''

If you're interested in the government representing the will of the people, then you can't do much better than random selection. If you're not, that's fine, but admit it straight out. Stop pretending to value democracy if the thought of popular sovereignty terrifies you.

Personally I favor a democratic system where we all go into the woods, pick some funny brown mushrooms, grind 'em up, mix them with cocaine and banana paste and put the lot of it in long wooden blowguns, then take turns shooting it up each other's noses. While we're all out cold (the whole country will have to do this, yes) our totem spirits will leave our bodies and carry our hearts to the Celestial Senate, where we will all take turns measuring their weight against each other in a double-elimination bracket. The person with the lightest essence AND the heaviest essence will become co-presidents together: somebody kind and guileless to set policy, and somebody cynical and canny to implement it.

Of course, unscrupulous individuals may find ways to avoid taking their dose of Dream Paste and run around and commit crimes whilst the rest of the country is sleeping, so to counteract this I suggest we hire Swiss mercenaries to watch our comatose forms until our spirits return from the Celestial Senate.

Wow I think you solved hundreds of years of political science right there.

What is this?

Awesome, user. Simply awesome.

From the point where wealth became more important than freedom

Democracy works if the populace is educated and values virtue. Considering we are on the era of "muh dick" and "My body my rules"...

Look no one wants to say it, but you dont enter the halls of power in a modern democracy without some level of intelligence and cleverness above the average voter.

I think the bigger issue is that we are seeing ourselves less as americans but more as real americans and pussy americans. We need a revolution to restore some civility and politeness into society. This isnt a plea for social justice nonsense because they're a big problem with politeness. Grace and magnanimity is needed most of all.

Less about that, we see ourselves more aligned y politics than country. Friendships are being destroyed over political disagreements, people with the same political views are forming into groups to avoid the near-constant political dialog, and there have been emerging signs of political extremists since 2000. I'm not arguing for nationalism, but we need to seriously be less confrontational about our individual views and seriously get off all of our high horses and negotiate policies rather than force our views upon others based on who won the last election cycle.

Nice meme, queer, but it was the Tribune if the plebs becoming so influential that started this "mob rules" voting system

Your bait worked on me, so take this (You)

HAMILTON ELECTORS?
hamilton electors

kasich 2016

What's wrong with democracy`, exactly?