Why are so many "cradles of civilization" shitholes now?

Why are so many "cradles of civilization" shitholes now?

What do you consider a cradle of civilization?
And what do you consider a shithole?

China seems to be doing pretty well

A lot of things change in a couple thousand years

resources stripped, they got complacent in their first place status and failed to keep up

The same reason that successful adults don't tend to live with their parents.

The best moved on.

ancient sumer had over 5% of the world's population, like a million and a half people from 27 million in the planet.

Now southern Iraq is demographically irrelevant in a global scale.

civilization spreads, and cradles of civilization arent as special as they used to be.

londons great

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I'm more puzzled by people who think the level of development should stay constant desu.

also, things should be put into perspective

Babylon, or a very close city (Seleucia, Ctesiphon, Baghdad) was the most important city in the world, or one of the most important ones, for 3 milleniums, from before Hammurabi to the Mongol conquest, and you could extend that further if you include Sargon and the Sumerian cities.
That cradle lasted for milleniums as a very important global place.

Becuase being a "cradle of civilization" ultimately mean absolutely nothing and doesn't bring anything to the area

Christianity, Islam, Socialism

>China seems to be doing pretty well
China is a rich shithole

no it's going to be an islamic shithole in 50 years

i am muslim..

part of the problem you have to go back

back where? im english.

They became complacent and then they stagnated and then they died.

Same thing is happening to the modern day West.

Why the fuck did you convert lmao

>the west is a monolithic entity

are you christian?

Because the state of things change, no Roman senator during Flavian Rome would know that the empire would collapse, and that her colonial subjects would sail to very distant seas and form the most powerful nation on earth on the basis of liberty and checks and balances

I'd rather be born in Baghdad 1000 years ago than today

>London
>Cradle of civilisation

I'd rather live in Chinese coastal cities than most Western cities in the world, if I were rich ,of course

That's a ridiculously reductionist way of describing it. They do become complacent but in the course of thousands a year complacency, disgruntlement and aspiration flow on a much more micrological scale than just once

Nope why

gene flow and dysgenics

>I'd rather live in Chinese coastal cities than most Western cities in the world, if I were rich ,of course
Why?
No one speaks english, you don't have the rights guaranteed to you that you'd have as a westerner, and if you're a rich bastard you could have the exact same quality of life in any western city.

This

I'm a Chinaman and even I understand western governments will at least keep some sort of semblance of human rights compared to China

I mean yeah western governments will tax the shit out of you but atleast they can't control you and your wealth as much as the commies in China can

its already started

mate whats your problem. islam is a peaceful religion. why would you say this. ffs.

Social cycles

How awful for you

how racist are you/?

They can´t stay stronk forever.

flipping racists bruv don't listen to em

>no Roman senator during Flavian Rome would know that the empire would collapse, and that her colonial subjects

>Roman senator
>her
WTF? There is no way female senators existed

Also to add to this, the City of Uruk existed and shined for 5k years, from Ubayd to the Persian conquest

>her
That refers to ROME not the senator

I wasn't aware that standing in a nation automatically conferred all of it's cultural heritage, genetic material, and history to you.

If I go walk in Saudi Arabia do I become an Arab?

>Muslim
>Race

You have to go back.

>China
>100s of millions of people living in poverty
>Oppressive regime
>Huge wealth inequality
>Air pollution killing thousands a week
>Water sources ruined by garbage
>Enviroment suffering from deserts spreading and ruining previous farmland
:3

>being this much of an idiot
Female pronouns are often used when refering to a nation/state.

My 100% unprofessional opinion is that the people in those cradles look too much to the past. They see their monuments, their ruins, and think "We were so glorious." They have already proven themselves, already given to mankind. Because of this they don't look to the future anymore, causing them to be(come) shitholes.
That, and climates have changed since they were cradles. Fertile crescent isn't really fertile anymore. Ancient woodlands are barren. What was once part of the sea is now land and vice versa.
Though I am pretty sure there are loads of different reasons for different cradles as to why they have become shit.

All the wars happened there. Why Western States like England and France (or the states that occupied them in that day) were having relatively tame wars, Byzantine were getting raped by Arabs, who would then go on to get raped by Mongols. There is no similar event to the Siege of Mosul in western Europe

All the wars happened there. While Western States like England and France (or the states that occupied them in that day) were having relatively tame wars, Byzantine were getting raped by Arabs, who would then go on to get raped by Mongols. There is no similar event to the Siege of Mosul in western Europe

Degeneracy.

Societal devolopment does not move in straight line upwards.

Mexico (Mesoamerica) and Peru (Andes) are doing pretty ok though.