Was the roman society actually good? One could think that our current society owes more to it than the middle-ages...

>One could think that our current society owes more to it than the middle-ages, but is that just memes?

We owe almost nothing to Rome, especially if by "we" you mean "Anglos".

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They were very cruel, superstitious, and backwards compared to us

Gladiators, not really. The public executions and animal slaughters, maybe.

Gladiators weren't actually killed too often.

Yeah, but everyone else was far worse. Rome is the most modern Ancient society from a social point of view.

OP, this question should have been about the Roman government being good or not.

Nah

I'd give that title to the Maurya empire

They were sinful degenerate shits until they saw the light of Christ

I think that Roman republican system is one of the most brilliant forms of government ever invented. Polybius calls it a perfect mix of three ancient political systems: aristocracy, monarchy and democracy. Too bad Romans went horribly corrupt after all those conquests and slammed it to the ground.

It was very good after Sulla's reforms, too bad they did not keep them. Without commie tribunes we would celebrate lupercalia in alpha centauri.

Sulla was pretty sweet dude. Sulla was the Pinochet on the ancient world, best leader of the roman world.

>good
Spook.

get out of here, doomsday cultist

Sulla was the first general to cross the Rubicon, opening the gate to retards like Julius Caeser.

Sulla is the reason Rome shit the bed destroyed it's Republic. Sulla was a mistake.

Romans and modern day Amerifats and Amerifat influenced Europoors have widely diverging moralities and attitudes that designating anything as good or evil lis just a horrible case of presentism

Also, the middle ages owes a lot to Romans, the Renaissance owns a lot to the middle ages, etc. It's almost like time is chronological (to specify for the autists, English common law and later modern civil law has its' roots in the Roman Justinian code, Christianity proliferated and espoused prosperouly towards the latter end of the Empire etc
You are fucking retarded if you actually believe that

Persia was more of a modern society in that it was much more cosmopolitan than Rome

China was more of a modern society in that it had a multilevel bureaucracy resembling far more than the Romans the modern bureaucracies of today, in that imposing an uniform set of laws over a large amount of people

but Sulla marched from the South to Rome

it's good if you're a roman man

My ignorant ass just got rekt

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>Sulla
Sulla was actually pretty sweet dude. Hes laws got repelled, hes laws would have protected the republic. Tribunal veto was really stupid idea. Also hes cursus honorum was not respected. Sulla reforms were the shit.

Sullas proscriptions were actually very good thing for the republic. Hopefully Donald Trump will also start to proscribe liberals and other enemies of the state.

>Was the roman society actually good?
The Roman Republic was an absolute shit fest that lasted half a millennium

Compared to a modern football stadium, it's not very big.

We have that in America
It's called the NFL

>Sullas proscriptions were actually very good thing for the republic.
>killing a huge fraction of the ruling class, with experience and talent to draw on
>leave a legacy of fear because many of the proscriptions had no justification other than to seize property of dead men for the state or reward loyal followers.
"no"
I can agree that Sulla's 'conservative constitution' (as it is called) was solid, but he muddied the waters to such an extent that he doomed his system to failure from the get-go.

>with experience and talent to draw on
I also meant to say that many political traditions were wiped out because of the pool of knowledge among those killed

It is hard to call it good or bad however they were so advanced that after their collapse it took more than 1000 year for other countries to reach to their level of advancement. 400AD rome was bigger than 1500 AD rome . So that say a lot. One of the reasons they developed so much is that they absorbed other cultures and their technology. Also relative safety of their cities ensured population had good growth. Most of towns didnt even needed walls as it was safe from bandits. I think we owe our current society to greeks,romans and anglos. And romans had fucked up rituals and part of their entertainment was from violence. Their trimpuhs(celebrating military success) had captured enemies walking in streets and some of them being killed. However things like human sacrifice was illegal. Also there is story of Augustus(first emperor) breaking stuff of one home owner because he was treating his slaves badly. After slave owner died he bought his house and broke it down. Another story tells he wasnt able to build a great public work because 2 owners didnt wanted to sell their property and he didnt forcefully took it from them. He could have done that easily. I would suggest reading about roman republic/empire. You should definitely check out books of Adrian Goldsworthy.
I don`t like sulla as his proscriptions were flat out murder of people whom wasnt liked by him and theft of their property. Also proscriptions of augustus were bad in long run too. This caused in decline of noble families. So country had less *good* man to run the country.

"What he perceives" pshah what bullshit, he called it like he saw it.

Hahaa, nope. He was taking Rome back from its demagogue hijackers. Like Harrison Ford in Air Force One.