>and some things would be different (less woobification, because people don’t really do that with female characters)
You have to be kidding, right? DR:IF is an official spinoff about woobifying a mass murderer on the basis of "but she really loves this boy", and Maki's entire story begins because characters can't believe a cute girl could actually kill people and her attempt to kill everyone is justified with "but she really loves this boy".
Unless you're Junko, Celes or Ruruka in this series, if you're a girl, you basically get a free pass by the game/audience.
>Unless you're Junko, Celes or Ruruka I'm fairly certain that the female versions of Nagito and Kokichi would be included in this group.
Joshua Ward
I don't think the game woobifies Ouma or Komaeda all that much. Yes, Ouma breaks down in his final scene but the characters largely don't buy that he's being honest and doubt his intentions until the end. Komaeda only gets woobified if you play his FTEs.
Fair point on Monaca and Tsumugi, even if the former gets basically no punishment for everything that she did.
Joseph Gray
We all know pajeet is dead. The falseflagging isnt fooling anyone.
Charles Evans
I think with Ouma at least Shuichi treats it as at least a possibility he was telling the truth.
And yes there were numerous problems with how they tied everything up in DR3.
I was talking about the fandom. (This is why I mentioned porn. Obviously there wouldn't be porn of female Ouma or Komaeda IN the games.)
Large portions of the fandom draw Ouma and Komaeda in flower crowns, depict them as cute harmless softbois who wear pink and hold hands with everyone, excuse their actions by saying they're good people who had good intentions but just made a few mistakes (even though those mistakes resulted in people's deaths), etc. Whereas I've never seen anyone treat Junko, Tsumugi, Celestia, Ruruka, or heck, even Saionji that way.
Alexander Scott
You have my permission. Go right ahead.
Kayden Martin
>Whereas I've never seen anyone treat Junko, Tsumugi... Saionji that way. I definitely have. There's a good section of the fandom that believes Tsumugi really did nothing wrong because she "gave the characters what they wanted" because they "signed up for this". Junko's also definitely seen as more wacky and crazy fun than an actually dangerous villain.
Lincoln Ross
haha what if ouma peed himself wouldnt that be funny haha
All right, well, I'm willing to concede there are people who do this for the female characters too. But I highly doubt it's as common.
Basically, from what I've seen, people are much more willing to give male characters the benefit of the doubt and actually consider their complex motivations. I think if Ouma and Komaeda had been female characters, people would have been a lot more likely to dismiss them as "lol crazy yandere bitches", rather than right thesis after thesis on why they did nothing wrong and why they're not really responsible for their actions.
>I think if Ouma and Komaeda had been female characters, people would have been a lot more likely to dismiss them as "lol crazy yandere bitches" If it were 7-10 years ago, I'd agree with you. But the current fandom climate actually has a lot of backlash towards blanket labeling female characters as "crazy bitches" or "totally yandere" if they aren't 100% cardboard cutouts of evil, mostly because of misogyny discourse.
Adam Flores
>Implying anyone cares about the boys.
Jeremiah Powell
>Toko >good personality >Sayaka >not all the way to the right
Imagine being so fat you look at hands and see food.
Isaiah Jenkins
Eh, even it's not considered PC to call female characters bitches anymore (on Tumblr/certain parts of Twitter), the sentiment is the same. Kind of like how people still hate it when female characters get in the way of their yaoi ships, but because it's not PC to go "eww vaginas" anymore, they instead give justifications like "Hinanami is heteronormative, that's why Hinata should fuck Komaeda" or "Kaede is a lesbian and deserves better than a boy, that's why Saihara has to be with Ouma instead."
Just look at any popularity poll. Female characters who are antagonistic such as Tsumugi, Junko, Monaca and Ruruka, or even just mean such as Saionji, tend to rank at the bottom. There is also very little meta on these characters and their motivations. Meanwhile the fandom never tires of writing essays about Ouma and Komaeda, and they always rank at the top.
Jaxson Hill
How would a killing game involving just the leaders of the world powers in WW2 go?
Colton Torres
Out of everything wrong with that image you chose to complain about that?
roosevelt somehow survives despite being a cripple churchill definitely gets murdered stalin dies in chapter 5's complete madman case mussolini is the ch. 1 victim hitler is the ch. 1 culprit
Sure. Left pupil (from his perspective) is a bit off.
Julian Edwards
Yeah. I wanted to bang my twink buddy like crazy. He swears he isn't gay but crossdresses "ironically". It's only a matter of time.
Alexander Watson
His cute face is ruined when I think about how he was talking about his diarrhea during this scene.
Hudson Hernandez
I'm from continental europe, you inbred islander trash. Churchill just sat down on his fat ass for 4 years until the soviets were already winning and the americans took initiative on opening up a second front.
I guess it's hard to make the comparison when we haven't had a female character that toes the line of morality like Ouma and Komaeda. We haven't had a female character go to extreme and often cruel lengths for an ultimately beneficial goal, whether that benefit is supposed to be for everyone else (Ouma, ending the killing game) or for their own sense of morality (Komaeda, inspiring eventual hope/eliminating despair).
Junko, Tsumugi and Monaca aren't comparable because they're firmly in the "evil" category with no beneficial justification for their actions (besides Tsumugi, if you believe that she is just giving everyone what they wanted). Saionji and Ruruka may be deeper characters than just surface level cruel bullies, but at the same time, they don't go very far in terms of trying to achieve a beneficial goal for someone other than themselves. There's just less to talk about for these characters when it comes to exploring their motivations/morality. We need a female rival character to really compare the reception of morally dubious female characters with prominent roles in the overarching story.
