Are there any real investors on this shit ass board? All I see is kids RPing """"investing"""" with buttcoins

haha all of this coinlet salt

Jesus Christ.

Are all coiners this retarded?

Fuckin idiots just assume shit will always go up, buy high sell higher. Oh you just can hold it man!! It'll go back up!!! It's muh basket!!! Muh portfolio!!!

Fuckin retard.

Coiners have no actually methodology they are high on "hope-ium", all I have to do is arbitrarily buy this shilled coin with no analytical process behind it and just pray it'll continue going up! Oh it's going against me? No problem I don't lose if I don't sell it!!!

No fuckin coiner on here will admit to those huge losers they've had. They don't understand they're statistically bound to blow themselves up trading how they trade, loading the boat on everything. Thinking the market will always go up. No entry strategy, no stop loss strat, no take profit it's just whatever this uneducated coiner feels like doing, thinking they can just outsmart the market on a 5 minute youtube education get real man.

I'm half way to my Lambo and just started earlier this year. Stay mad and poor nocoiners.

Yeah I bet dude
You going to magically spawn a qt 3.14 that isn't disgusted by your appearance because you're rich too?

yeah damn dude have fun with your 5% per annum returns mate, it'll make you rich in no time!

joke's on you, I'm already good looking
what is your counterargument now

You're a faggot, that's my argument bitch nigga

>Oh you just can hold it man!! It'll go back up!!! It's muh basket!!! Muh portfolio!!!
Stay mad nocoiner, it always goes back up.

but it does always go up

I'm not saying you need to buy into every claim but if you've bought into any major crypto in the last 5 years and held, you've made money

You're going to have to do a lot of dick sucking to catch up to us after yesterday. Start investing in some kneepads with those babby gainz.

nope, bye.

Fugg :DDD

>mfw my shitcoin portfolio has returned more in a year than the SPX has during its entire bull run since 2008

Also, if you weren't a complete dumbass you'd realize the value that low/negative correlation assets like bitcoin provide to overall portfolio efficiency.

>if you've bought into any major crypto in the last 5 years and held, you've made money
Not if your coins were stolen by hackers, invalidated by technical flaws in the coin protocol, or simply disappeared or were unavailable for withdrawal due to your shady or failed exchange.

The alt casino is definitely retarded, especially with the current bubble. But I would just like to say that I am up 900% over 2 years with BTC holding. Investing in the stock market would have given me MAYBE 15%-20% if I was aggressive.

Put in 5k into eth back in 2015 when it was 2$ a coin. It's now worth 180k. I bought it cause it was being shilled to high heavens here.

I owe this board so fucking much for these gains. I'm literally in shooting distance of lambo tier numbers

>Not if your coins were stolen by hackers, invalidated by technical flaws in the coin protocol, or simply disappeared or were unavailable for withdrawal due to your shady or failed exchange.

Not My Problem™

Yeah, but this is a different market, literal n00bs have become millionaires, like srrsly BTC, ETH etc.

>leaving your coins on an exchange
>not holding your coins in a cold wallet

We're still here. We are waiting for the crypto kiddies to lose all of their allowance. Shouldn't be much longer now. Hang in there.

yes i invest in large blue chip companies
i swing trade small cap stocks
i speculate on microcap penny stocks (otcmarkets)

i also own rental properties

I am currently trying to start up a business online

> 90% ROI
>aka turned $10 into $19
>IM RICH GUIZ

You have to separate major coin holders from daily alt coin gamblers.

Coin holders aren't traders. They are buying stake in a technology that they believe will run the world in the same way the internet runs the world today.

Make no mistake, this alt coin market is going to pop and there is going to be an ocean of blood. When it does pop, everything will flood back into BTC and USD.

kek

he's almost at lambo tier numbers!
on his way to qt 3.14!

MUH CRYPTOS!!!

>Not My Problem™
Yet™

Great solution: hide your investment assets somewhere where they can't be used, can't be invested, and can't be exchanged and that also exposes them to risk of both physical and digital destruction.

Wealth makes wealth ... for everyone other than a coiner.....

>nocoiners still tell themselves it's a scam so they can sleep at night

nicely done m8

>Yet™

If people are suddenly breaking encryption then we've got much bigger problems than $2 billion in crypto

There is still time for you to get in friend, just look at all crypto's market cap. 5 billion per day.
Now that's a ponzi I can live with, not your shit stock.

You don't really know much about crypto storage techniques do you?

2 years later and I've cashed out triple what I put in, with a shitload more still in BTC. Even with the small amount cashed out, I've still made 20x what I would have made in the stock market over this period.

Keep nitpicking dumbass.

>nocoiners are THIS anally anguished

Lmaoing at your pathetic coping mechanisms right now lads

What you dumb coiners don't understand is that you're sitting on a bubble that will pop any day now. The amount of money in coins that is from people who actually view crypto as the future is probably under 1%. The other 99% are pure speculating gamblers that entered at one point or another hoping it would just keep going up.

Each successive wave of speculators fulled the profits of those that came before them. At one point we will reach the final wave and then it will all come crashing down.

BTC will go back to $10 or whatever it's real value is and the other coins will go straight to 0.

If you made money that's cool just take it out while you still can.

I didn't say it was a scam, it's the basic fuckin math no coiners don't seem to understand.

Don't pretend that it hasn't already happened. Don't pretend that coins are stolen by hackers every day, often on a massive scale. Don't pretend that the crypto exchanges aren't a clusterfuck. Don't pretend that threads don't exist in THIS board RIGHT NOW about people who had their assets lost, stolen, frozen, and invalidated.

And don't pretend it doesn't affect your coins, even if it hasn't happened to your coins. Yet.

I totally believe your outlandish tales of financial success despite the complete absence of proof. And I totally accept that your unsubstantiated stories are a valid refutation of the actual facts which I posted, which are well-documented.

I guess that makes me gullible enough to buy coins.

This, assuming the coiners will last long enough to witness that. A lot of them have no idea of risk management. JUST HOLD MAN, ITLL GO UP! BUY ALL YOU CAN MAN! ITS GOING TO THE MOON!!!

You literally just described the stock market.
Now go back to your cuck funds, might retire at 60 and play some golf with rental gear.

wtf is with all the grandpas here

go buy ur fucking index fund and bonds

>You have to separate major coin holders from daily alt coin gamblers.

Perhaps this is true. I don't think it is the serious investors polluting the board with the daily shitcoin pump and dump posts.

>probably under 1%. The other 99%
>probably

>BTC will go back to $10 or whatever it's real value is and the other coins will go straight to 0
>or whatever it's real value is

Come back with actual statistics that you didn't make up and actually believe in. It's blatantly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Proofs you stupid effeminate nocoiner.

>all this coping ITT
Sad!

No. The stock market has assets with real value. Microsoft, Intel, McDonalds, Coca Cola all make real world products with intrinsic value. Even shit like Facebook has tangible value to people.

Crypto presents absolutely no real world value except if you believe it is the future of currency. Is that why you bought it? I'm going to guess not, you bought it because you wanted a get rich quick scheme, same as 99% of everyone else who has money in crypto.

Can't wait to see the stock market go all 2008 again and see all the stock fags hang themselves.

>wtf is with all the grandpas here
Your "grandpa" was smarter than you, more successful than you, saved more than you, made better investment choices than you, and retired with more savings and income than you'll ever dream of.

You're on track to be the first generation in 500 years to be less successful than your predecessors. Are coins the reason for this? Not entirely, but it makes you think....

I don't keep my crypto in an online wallet

I honestly don't care if other people get screwed for being morons

It's like going into chicago and flaunting your wallet around and then wondering why you get mugged

>no real world value
This is a false statement. You can send value across the internet without having to deal with a bank. It can use the blockchain as a trust network for all kinds of calculations and other uses. You're stupid.

What you dumb YUPPIES don't understand is that you're sitting on a bubble that will pop any day now. The amount of money in SECURITIES that is from people who actually view ETF'S as the future is probably under 1%. The other 99% are pure speculating gamblers that entered at one point or another hoping it would just keep going up.

Each successive wave of speculators fulled the profits of those that came before them. At one point we will reach the final wave and then it will all come crashing down.

THE DOW will go back to 10000 POINTS or whatever it's real value is and the other INDEXES will go straight to 0.

If you made money that's cool just take it out while you still can.

I can play this game too.

What is a paper dollar and why does it buy a bar of snickers?
I swear low iq posters should be banned

Can any of you retarded coiners come up with statistics on anything you trade? Can you define your risk? Your alpha? Your expected value? Your win / loss ratio? Profit factor? Do you fuckin idiots even account for taxes? Can you with confidence say your system can deliver a minimum draw down of X% given a certain risk profile? Do you guys even risk a certain amount per trade or do you just buy all you can? I don't think I've ever heard a coiner talking about statistics, all I hear it THIS IS GOING TO THE MOON MAN BUY NOW.

Like coiners are fucking retarded. You just arbitrarily load up on whatever the next faggot is shilling in one of these 50 million coining threads that have plagued Veeky Forums. There has been a huge noticeable increase in these threads. A HUGE increase over the last few months. All you faggots expect to be driving a lambo next week and all of you idiots are buying into this nonsense like a bunch of chickens without heads.

>I don't keep my crypto in an online wallet
People used to do the same things with their investments in the olden days. They'd stuff money in their mattress ("offline cold storage") only to have it stolen or destroyed by events. They'd hold certificates of stocks, only to lose them. They'd clip coupons from the their bonds, only they'd disappear in generational transfers.

People don't do things that way anymore because it's stupid, unproductive, wasteful, risky, and outdated.

But you do....

Except, you sounded like an idiot while what other user said made perfect sense.

Idiot coiners see these garbage coins as a shortcut to success. They're basically slapping their grandfathers in the face thinking they will some how become wealthy by buying and holding some garbage instead of putting in the effort to learn to actually trade or invest properly.

All a bunch of sheep living this delusional dream they all share, thinking their coin is the one that will go to the moon.

I'm not talking about what $ value it is being traded on any given day you fucking mong.

I'm talking about the intrinsic value of crypto. Beyond what the market says it's worth on this or that day.

Beyond what McDonald's stock is valued at today it will still be making burgers tomorrow which will always have intrinsic value in the real world as food.

The only intrinsic value of crypto is if it attracts you from a philosophical standpoint for not being state controlled. But like I said that's an extreme minority of people who are in crypto.

>implying that encrypted storage mechanisms are the same as physical storage mechanisms

crypto allows you to store it in an unlimited number of places, each locked using an encryption method that is infinitely superior to the best physical storage

More make believe. What is an algorithm?
.
.
.
That's rhetorical nigger.

>be total noob
>buy some BTC on coinbase
>ask for my ID 4 times and oblige
>afterwards shows a pending transaction goes through by Wednesday
>refresh page
>come back
>transaction page is empty
Yeah thanks to those Jews for stealing my money.

Should I get my card blocked so they don't take any money?
They haven't taken it yet, but they can take any amount they want right?
I should hire a lawyer but I forgot to take screenshots

>instead of putting in the effort to learn to actually trade or invest properly.

and I bet your faggot ass isn't working in the coal mines you fucking pansy

The stock market is real and will exist long long after your shitty crap coins have gone to 0.0000000000000001 but you'll still buy them because in your mind you CAN BUY SO MANY! YOULL MAKE SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH WHEN IT GOES UP WOWWWWW!!!!!!!

Fuckin idiots, the people who know their shit stay away from these coins. I'm sure there are a lot of actual traders on this board who just laugh at these idiots all day thinking theyre successful from chasing pump and dumps.

You trade crypto as a currency gramps, it's not an asset, comodity or stock.

What do you guys do?
I Veeky Forums for normal trading, the minority. I know. Been at it for years.

But all this memeing about cryptos has gotten my attention. I got some extra cash and want to get into the game for shits.
I know I could use Coinbase, but seems like managing your own wallets is where it's at.
Where can I go to read up on how to manage and trade?
Probably going to get little BTC, ETH, and then whatever the current meme is for fun.

Spoonfeeding is welcome, but I'm not that much of a fucking shitter, so I'm mostly looking for a guide or sites to read.

Alright so what is your basis for investing in crypto as a currency? Do you believe it is the future? Will fiat go down and be replaced by crypto?

No you trade it cause "it will go to the moon" aka gambling and speculating. The bubble will burst.

He buys whatever the idiots shilling in the threads tell him to buy.

As soon as he sees the words "to the moon" he's already all in

I invest in btc because it is the new gold standard

I invest in eth because blockchain technology has endless applications

I read about technology and use my brain to think about the implications and invest accordingly
I have a lot of $$$ in lithium, some in a retirement etf, lots in crypto, generally the big ones but I take flyers on new or interesting cryptos

>he doesn't know about the golden age.

my goodness grandpa, get with the times!

>No you trade it cause
>He buys whatever people tell him to buy

All these believed assumptions. Keep it up. It's actually entertaining.

Apparently not, considering all the stories I see on this board alone.

If a robber holds up my bank, I don't lose any of my money. Can coiners say the same about their storage methods?

I was more asking about what you guys do, like how did you start with a wallet, or Coinbase or whatever.

I've traded for years. I'm pretty decent at research and trading. Just don't know how to into cryptos. It seems like the easiest way is the worst. Using an exchange.

>kids
I guarantee you there are "kids" on here that own crypto portfolios of more than 10 times whatever your net worth is

All of my coins are insured except a few hundred bux of gambling money. So yes.

ITT : "seriously, it's different this time guize!"

Even as a coiner, you can see the obvious bubble forming. I'm betting it's going to get popped next year when we hit full on mania for these already idiotic icos and we get another few DAO events

I got in when BTC was at $4 thx to darknet

Got in super early on PPC, primecoin

Had access to major CPU time on a cluster and was pulling in $100/day (at the time) mining coins on release

there's no bank to hold up, so that doesn't worry me. like I said, if suddenly people can break encryption then the world is going to hell and btc or fiat won't save you, you should be investing in guns, ammo, water, and canned goods

Any new or interesting cryptos about? What you think of patientory?

>All of my coins are insured
No they're not.

>that doesn't worry me
Why are you in denial. You store your coins somewhere that's not part of the financial system, giving you no recourse for loss.

You say, "I'm not worried" as if that's evidence that your coins are safe from loss, theft, or invalidation. When in reality, "I'm not worried" means, "I'm in denial about the risks." You're just being stupid and cavalier with your assets, which is why you'll never make it in this world.

>You say, "I'm not worried" as if that's evidence that your coins are safe from loss, theft, or invalidation. When in reality, "I'm not worried" means, "I'm in denial about the risks." You're just being stupid and cavalier with your assets, which is why you'll never make it in this world.

No, I understand math and don't think that everything is magic and voodoo like you do.

There is a better chance that the FDIC, or hell the entire US govt, fails before someone hacks my crypto wallets. And that's simply a mathematical fact.

there is too much going on in the big players right now for me to worry about the alts

ethereum is turing complete, in a practical sense it could be used for pharma or healthcare

reporting. crpyto makes up a reasonable part of my portfolio now though as it's increased in value 10x

>I understand math
Is math going to prevent you from dying and all your digital wealth disappearing with you? If I die, my stocks and bonds will automatically transfer to my heirs because that's part of the system.

Wealth that can't be used, invested, and transferred isn't wealth at all. You have nothing.

that's simply a current drawback of the 1st gen coins

ethereum and other contract-based currencies will alleviate this problem

I can simply have contracts that activate on my death and distribute my money to my heirs, no lawyers, government, banks, etc. involved taking their cut.

Where do these stupid faggots even come from?

They discover the gold mine that is the emerging market of cryptocurrency that is juts starting its dotcom level bubble and they start saying stupid shit like its dangerous.

>but much volatility
Buy in when you see a set up and sell at a good price, just because your a retard who can only make 3 percent growth a year doesnt mean that people aren't making big money risking big.

> muh doubling his 20 dollars in worthless meme
I doubled my 2 grand not by just shoving it in a coin and praying but carefully trading in and out at the best time over a month period and knowing when to get out into bitcoin.

You nocoiners are a special kind of retards. Your cucked retards. Massive money making potential is being shilled up your anus but your too much of a bitch to even take it you'd rather watch and then laugh at the people who buy Tue top and sell the bottom.

I bet you guys are the same cunts who have savings account for their money to make that juicy 4 percent yearly gains without even knowing what inflation is.

Your arrogance at being a retards is quite disgusting.

it's the "a little knowledge is dangerous" crowd

>BUT IT'S ON THE INTERNET SO IT CAN BE HAAAAACCCKKKEEEDDD!!!!!
>DON'T YOU SEE????!!!!!

A lot of them are just trying to get their questions answered but thanks to whatever retarded social malfunction they have, they can't just ask straightforward questions and have to shitpost to get answers instead

I hope so, I will fake your death and position myself as an heir.

It's not too late to buy ripple man, whoever warns you is your friend.

>

t. Dump your coins so I can buy low

fuck off m8

>real investors
Im at uni and I've thrown in a total of $9100 USD to buttcoin and alts.
made 51k in 2 months, i dont have any ethics or job but i have money

This thread brought some of the worst FUDing I ever saw

man why are you leaving all that there on polo

Anyone you follow in particular? Also in uni and also have a pile of cash I want to whirl in.

>HAAAAACCCKKKEEEDDD!!!!!
Forget about "hacking" then ... let's assume (falsely, and against all available evidence) that all cryptocoin algorithms are perfectly secure and unbreakable. Your coins are still subject to loss due to to security breaches on your personal computers and devices, your network and internet connections, and (most notably) your exchange. If you store your coins offline, you're subject to physical risk and loss as well.

I don't know why you deny these facts. Are you unwilling to acknowledge the flaws of cryptocurrency and work to fix them? That's a pretty childish approach, and helps explain why serious investors run away from coins and always will.

>I can simply have contracts that activate on my death and distribute my money to my heirs, no lawyers, government, banks, etc. involved taking their cut.
No you can't. Passing wealth on death is a function of law, not contract. Even your will (which is not a contract. btw) is subject to legal restrictions and supervision by a court.

Your answer, once again, shows a complete ignorance of the real world. Do you ever leave your parent's basement?

follow me and that guy and you'll do alright kiddo

Im fine here. The lag doesn't bother me half as much as it does most people because i dont panic sell.

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