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wackeln your willy for the kaiser Willy edition

>>>LINKSPLATOONSFAQ

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Sweet spots were a mistake, a very fun mistake

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time to die /bfg/

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Sweet spots weren't a mistake.
High velocity rifles that do 80 damage and slow the pace of the game by having everyone duck after being shot were a mistake.

It wouldn't slow the pace of the game if the soldiers weren't so damn slow

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>be me
>be tanker
>have A7V Breakthrough Version
>GoldofTheDesert.camo
>doing good so far, have 10 kills while at 100 Tickets (Conquest ST Quentin)
>enemy only uses artillery truck for whatever reason, gets fucked every time
>their Anti-Tank Elite charges me with his 2 grenades instead of taking me out with elephant rifle
>planes are flying low constantly, always shoot em
>get hatemail after the round, ending with 51-0
>mfw its their own fault that i ended high-scoring

also thread theme
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>Still playing this shit

LMAO

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>not playing this shit

AYYY

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The REAL best gun ranks per class.
REAL stands for Really Excellent Amazing List
100% Fight, 110% For, 120% The, 200% Future
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Best to worst, new TTK+apocalypse edition

Medic:
RSC 1917
Luger Rifle
General Liu
Model 8
Fedorov Avtomat
Howell
Farquhar-Hill
Cei-Rigotti
M1907
Mondragon
Selbstlader

Assault:
SMGs:
Ribeyrolles
Hellriegel defensive
SMG 08-18
Hellriegel factory
RSC SMG
C96 Trench
Maschinenpistole
Automatico
MP 18

Shotguns:
Model 1900
Sjögren
Trench Gun
Model 10-A
Auto 5

Support:
Huot
Browning M1917
Parabellum
BAR
Chauchat
Madsen
LMG08/18
Perino
Benet-Mercie
MG15 N.A.
Lewis Gun

Scout:
Gewehr
Lebel
Mannlicher
Pattern 1917
Mosin
Arisaka
Vetterli-Vitali
Ross
Martini Henry
Russian 1895
SMLE
Carcano
Springfield

Stuff that's changed since the list was posted:
Carcano raised up 1 level based on /bfg/user suggestion.
RSC SMG put down 3 levels based on /bfg/user suggestion.
Fedorov Avtomat put down 3 levels based on /bfg/user suggestion.
Maschinenpistole raised up 1 level based on /bfg/user suggestion.
Separated Hellriegel defensive and factory so the SMG08/18 could be placed in between them.
LMG08/18 raised 2 levels.
Chauchat put down 3 levels.

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dead game dead general

I'm a Support main, I'm basically an expert at that class and this list is absolute bonkers regarding Support. Here is the official Support weapon tier list by an educated video game player:

Browning M1917
Perino
Lewis
MG15 N.A.
Parabellum
Madsen
Benet-Mercie
LMG08/18
Chauchat
BAR
Huot

This guy keeps spamming his shit list and doesn't take the hint that he couldn't be more wrong.

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I'm a Support main, I'm basically an expert at that class and this list is absolute bonkers regarding Support. Here is the official Support weapon tier list by an educated video game player:

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Fixed some more errors.
Did some balance changes.
Please bantz my fanfic list so I can improve it.

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>mad that someone with better Support experience corrects his godawful list

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What?
My KPM is better and my SPM is over double yours.
Not mention that I have a higher score with over a third less play time.
You're having a laugh mate.

of course you have better SPM and KPM when you have played less than I have

and playing around the rosie in conquest gives more points than being a pointman for your squadmates in operations.

I think you should try out the Support weapons a bit more before giving out faulty tier lists boy,

>of course you have better SPM and KPM when you have played less than I have
Explain.
11days and 16 hours isn't exactly a short amount of time.

>playing around the rosie in conquest gives more points than in operations
Are you saying it's harder to get points in operations?
I think that's pretty clueless if you're actually implying that since the scores you can rack up in operations can be massive.

>being a pointman for your squadmates in operations
Roleplay as whatever you like, your stats literally show that you're not exactly doing much.
If you had a decent KPM then you might be due to some consideration but you don't even have that.
Which is something you should 100% have considering the massive player density in operations.

Post your video settings. All I've changed is up the brightness to 90%.

Im a Medic main so Ill simply laugh at your list.

The RSC is very good, dont misunderstand, but unless you have extremely good accuracy its probably a 1 kill per mag weapon. There isnt much room for error or engaging multiple targets.

You can laugh at the Selbslader all you want, but having a 26 round mag lets me take on multiple opponents and win. Despite not being really good at anything, that alone has let me do rather well with it even at closer ramges where the Fedorov would obviously be better.

The Cei Rigotti is a midrange beast and I will not let that reload time excuse you putting it that low. The 1907 is also more versatile than the Fedorov - not better overall but it shouldnt be that low.

>The RSC is very good but unless you have extremely good accuracy it's probably a 1 kill per mag weapon
That's bullcrap.
It's an extremely easy to use gun and most people see it as overpowered for a reason.

>You can laugh at the Selbstlader all you want
Hey if it works for you then sure go for it.
That won't stop it being laughed at though.

>The Cei Rigotti is a midrange beast
The Cei Rigotti is an excellent weapon and my dumb list can accidentally make it look like I see things that are "low" in a negative light.
Look at the support list, I've said in the past that someone could make a really good argument that LMG08/18 is the best support weapon.
As well as that the fact that the list doesn't necessarily reflect my personal favourites, just what I think is the best.

>I will not let that reload time excuse you putting it that low
You can probably tell I don't care about reload times by the guns that "rank" higher and I feel like there's a world of difference between the Cei and the 1907.
Cei Rigotti reload times aren't really long anyway.
It's just that I think there are a lot guns that edge out a bit ahead of it.
Far from a bad gun in my opinion though, I had no intent to put it "low."

>The 1907 is also more versatile than the Fedorov
I feel the opposite.
Fedorov is very accurate outside of effective automatic fire range.
Better for up close as well.

>not better overall but it shouldn't be that low
It gets put lower when other guns begin put it into a place of redundancy.
I think the Cei Rigotti and the Fedorov are stronger choices at almost all ranges compared to the 1907.
Because they're in somewhat similar weapon type groups the 1907 "rank" becomes lower because of it.

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So what's the most boring, basic primary for each class?

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Reloading MG 14/17 in real life

That many kill sound at the same time is orgasmic

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Ever since I was a child I've imagined replacing toilet rolls as reloading an MG42

Hell yea. Me too

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The List to End All Lists

There are no best weapons. There are weapons that are better suited for different play styles and situations, but that does not make them better than every other weapon. Frankly, with the exception of the Kolibri, every other weapon in the game is useful and viable. So it really is down to what situation you face and how you want to play the game.

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Hey soo regarding your list overall not bad i won't get into the numbers but you failed to add a few weapons:
LMG:
>M1919A6
>MG15
Rifles:
>M1(A1) carbine
>Gewehr 41
>SVT38/40
SMG:
>Type100
>different Sten. (Mk 2 and mk 5 were not even close to eachother)
>Tommy same as stem (1928 radically different from M1A1)
>different barreta models
Also no pistols?
>1911
>P08
>P38
Etc
Overall not bad.

Nope soon the next BF will be announced anyway. Plus BF1 is still quite fun.

>its a tier list episode

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This general is so bad lmao

>M1919A6
It's technically there, I just didn't state which version of the M1919.
The A6 is just a M1919 with furniture if I remember.

>MG15
Possible sure, but there felt like plenty of German MGs already.
Technically the FG42 might go to medic, but it's hard to see how they're going to balance its high fire rate in that class.

>M1(A1) carbine
>Gewehr 41
>SVT38/40
There is some version already there on the list.
M2 because it did see service and I think DICE will clamour for automatic guns.
Gewehr 41 is essentially a not as refined version of the 43.
And the AVT over the SVT since I think DICE will again want as many automatic rifles as it can get.

>Type100
Not that common.
More Japs used MP28 or equivalents of the same design than Type 100s.

>Sten
I didn't specify which Sten they'd use.
Mark 2 and 5 aren't that different aside from ergonomics and their sights.

I don't know why you want different so many models of the same guns.
I only included 2 versions of the FG42 because they have some significant differences.
Maybe I should remove one of the FG42s and replace it with something else though.
The 900RPM one was looking a little too strong.

>No pistols
I'm too lazy

>no issues with the stats, just the weapon choices
C'mon, I know I've done a few things wrong, call me out on it.

Sorry~
It's good though since it's not good to be trapped in a bubble and it's good to exchange ideas.
Some good bantz by other /bfg/ anons has made me change my mind on stuff and learn more in depth about how some stuff works.

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your list is shit

oh shit, you're right

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So... which idol would you die for?

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Natsuki.
Natsukifag since start of 2013.
Was into OGs before that though.

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BAR telescopic is quite good.
Requires a fairly different approach to engagements though.

>fog

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I'm surprised how much it fucks me up.
Always bugs me.

>no bf gf who isn't actually a dude
one can only speculate what it feels like to be loved

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Thanks for the quality contribution.

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>getting mad at video games
talent trucks are part of the game
if you don't like it, don't play

The only thing that makes me mad is that you have the nerve to call it a talent truck.

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I-I'll be a girl in 6 months...

>Chasing Elites down with from across the map with a bayonet charge
>They turn around right as my blade pierces their chest

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>Single player is just individual chapters that you can do in any order
>Dice set up the perfect way to have a short single player slapped on to each DLC
>French campaign would be a soldier in the trenches remembering when things first popped off when his farm was one of the first one hit by the invasion
>Russian campaign would obviously be focused on a Russian woman seeking revenge on [Insert back guys here] after they killed her children.
>turning tides would have been about the british marines boarding german boats or some shit
>Apocalypse would just be some random ass story about each country testing and combat testing new weapons in the trenches
>They set it up perfectly
>And they didn't do anything for it

I know Battlefield games' appeal is the multiplayer but this one's single player was 'meh' individual stories but still a nice idea that they could have ran with but just didn't.

Wonder how many normalniggers even play SP. That's one thing they did intelligently with BF4. If you want the best guns you HAVE to play the final mission 3 goddamn times and you're gonna love it.

>see that enemies are clustering up big time wherever they go
>prime opportunity for barrage bomber multikills
>spawn in bomber
>fog rolls in making spotting camera useless
Every single fucking time.

>every single ammonigger is using crates

have more stuff to complain about, typing now

Come to think of it BF1's campaign is the only BF story that even comes close to making sense.
Bad Company 2:
>the us, after learning about the japanese emp superweapon, decide it would be funny shit to just let them use it and see what happens
>present day present time
>russia, despite being unable to subdue a bunch of inbred slav-sandnigger hybrids, thinks it would be funny to pick a fight with the most powerful country ever to exist
>actually seem to be doing a pretty good job of it too
>hothead and small guy cia agent thinks everyone in america should die because muh dead daddy
>in a war
>seventy fucking years ago
>save the day n shit
>ends on blatant setup for sequel that never came

Battlefield 3:
>hothead and small guy cia agent thinks everyone in america should die because...???
>have to shoot your jigaboo nco instead of just shouting HOLY SHIT SARGE A FUCKING DINOSAUR
>apparently turn yourself in despite only you and the russian knowing what happened
>conveniently manage to end up exactly where the next nuke is going to be
>save the day n shit

Battlefield 4:
>previous game not related
>apparently takes place in alternate universe where helicopters are physically unable to land anywhere except the top of skyscrapers
>stupid fucking nigger drives straight into the water, the first of many, many things he coons up
>aforementioned melanin man invites a bunch of random gooks on your nice shiny carrier, can't shoot a nigger this time when you really want to
>rogue dogmuncher general, despite half their country being made of styrofoam, thinks it would be funny to pick a fight with the most powerful country ever to exist
>hey remember the russian guy from the previous game? no? well he's dead now anyway so fuck it
>never find out why they call him irish

Pic related, average BF4 gameplay

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Anyway the heavy tank sucks.

I picked up BF4 on sale just to see what I'd missed campaign wise.
>fire up first mission
>intro was alright
>start playing
>given no idea what the fuck is going on
>insists on giving me points for shooting people, ruining any kind of immersion
>you can also pick whatever weapon you want from boxes handily scattered across the map
>nope out before I'm done the first mission

I don't know who finds that kind of arcady bullshit campaign enjoyable. I'll play it eventually, but that shit pisses me off.

Since people are arguing over medic and support weapons I'll go with bolt-actions.

Why the is the Lebel in second place? Yes it has a reasonable firerate and nice iron sights but its ridiculously long reload should immediately put it down by the Vetterli-Vitali, if not simply switched with the SMLE. It has the lowest velocity out of all the mid/long range sweetspot rifles. Only the martini and vetterli are slower.
Both the SMLE and 1895 also have 3 variants while the Lebel has 2, making it an overall less flexible weapon.

I would change the list to something like
Gewehr 98
SMLE
M.95
Enfield 1917
Arisaka
Russian 1895 (Mosin has better iron sights but only 2 variants)
Lebel
Ross
Vetterli-Vitali
Mosin
Martini-Henry
Carcano
Springfield

SP games other than Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, and Pokémon make me feel depressed and lonely.

See I'm the exact opposite. I find MP games to be stressful and intimidating. I hate getting farmed like a vegetable by some junior high school kid who can play this 12 hours a day and I'm terrified of doing a bad job and making people angry at me. I still can't even read the chat without breaking into a cold sweat.

Sorry I switched there Error. It was good playing with you tonight.

likewise. I bailed early cause i remembered i have work in the morning.

Ah I gotcha.
Soviet you down to play? I'm in the menus right now.
>mfw I got more hate mail

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SP in shooters are so cliched and boring at this point I don't even know why companies even bother. Overwatch certainly didn't bother, neither did Siege, and both are doing just fine. So unless Dice is going to put some balls on the table and do a proper, pull no punches, straight from horses' mouth, boots on the ground Germany campaign, there's no point revisiting storming Omaha and then get diverted to search for some colonel's son. It's just a waste of everybody's time.

Better they focus that on making more MP maps.

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Did I get outplayed

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played yourself by going melee in sketchy positions

B-but I like the animations

>Why the is the Lebel in second place?
cuz the list is a forced meme

It's epic, though.

Don't give them any excuses to cheap out even further. They can and should do both. Don't delude yourself that any time or money saved will be put to use for your benefit. Dice and EA are companies and they exist only to make money. They will only make good products if consumers demand them- there is no benefit in improving on shit if it still sells.

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Would win? A gaijin cunt with a vpn or 62 brainless burgers?

You fucking what mate

>top the team leaderboard with scout

No wonder that we fuckin lost, I wish there were more fun Scout weps.

>He doesn't use the Vetterli-Vitali carbine at highest magnification on huge maps like Sinai to fuck on hillhumpers

The Russian Trench is probably my favorite gun at this point. This thing is so fucking fun.

The last six posts had swearing. Please don't swearing!!!

It was my favorite until they buffed the M1903 experimental and added the Carcano
It's basically a bad RSC right now which pisses me off

see

Well you know "diversity" i want all the weapons i can get. Due to choice. Also you could balance semi autos by making them 2 hit kill (all) and all full autos like 3-4 (and full autos having a lot of recoil) the M1A1 i'd make a secondary

Also abaut balancing i am not the right person xD.
My balancing:
>give MG42 a 50 round drum and a 200 round belt upgrade
>950-1450 rof
>anti air sight + bipod

I feel fairly confident with my support, assault and medic assessments but admitialy I'm not the most versted scout player.
Not that I've not played scout and I've been level 50 for a very long time now

A big factor is my place of where things are is the bolt cycle animation, but velocity and versatility too.
Some scout weapons have atrocious cycles where the sight just leaves the point of the target in a radical direction.
Something like the Gewehr 98's sights also leave the target when cycling, but it's purely horizontal and to the left so you still have a decent idea where your sights are.
That's up top though because it's the best gun for headshots.
Lebel has great iron sights and a good cycle which is why it is where it is.
If we're talking about cycles, the truth is I fucking hate the Arisaka but I place it where it is because it has a lot of beneficial properties that make it stronger than the SMLE outside of sweet spot range.
Can't stand the thing though, I was trying to be objective.

I think you've put a very fair list.
I think my current list scout list was due for an overhaul but I was waiting for that Ross Infantry to come.
That thing is so shooting to number 2, maybe 1 who knows.
Next thread I'll change the scout list.
Not to 100% like yours, I still like that Mosin cycle over 1895, but close to yours.
I'll play scout and try most of the weapons next time I start up BF1 to help conclude my mind.

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I want to jam with Natsuki!

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Why she is so perfect, lads?

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Selbst 1906 sniper > memedragon sniper

anyone else feel like the torpedo boats are absolutely broken? being able to kill a destroyer with two salvos of torpedoes feels absolutely ridiculous when they are so abundant in every map and yet so hard to see until it's too late

the destroyer should have it's health doubled for it to be anything else than a floating coffin tbqh

I think the problem is the destroyer needs a full squad
>4 ppl
To reach peek effectiveness. Because the PT boat is easy to kill.

yes but no vehicle should be balanced so that teamwork is essential to survival, teamwork should just boost the effectiveness of the vehicle

Ummm nah it is fine. Labdship is the same way. Also a destroyer has far better range capability compared to a PT boat.

>Blow up a torp boat while swallowing a volley of metal fish
>Start repairing
>The torpedo boat has instantly respawned and some other enemy spawns in to launch another set of torps

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nice bait

Nah it ain't bait i just don't care much for balancing.

This entire general is autists showing their "best list". Are you guys fucking 12 holy shit this general kek

>you will never play a game where the team is fully synchronized in attacks
>you will never know what it feels like to bayonet charge beside your other 31 teammates after capturing a sector
Why even live?

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I doubt it would happen but a gamemode with just using faction specific weapons would be fun.
Asymmetrical gameplay is interesting.

The anti-air rocket needs more range to be actually usefull.

So what's the best map?

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MP18 tho

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Operation vs Conquest. Pick one.

agreed., but...

>Battlefield 4:
>>previous game not related
explain Dima in the Jail
pic related

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