Redpill me on the mexican revolution

Emilisiano Zapata

Pancho Villa loaded trains with dynamite and sent them crashing into towns. Effective tactic desu

Unions of different species aren't necessarily sterile

Which one

1910-23

My great-great uncle fought with Pancho Villa interestingly enough

Govt corruption

It's so corrupt even this guy couldn't save it

Why are the desert parts of the US good then?

Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico are all shitholes though

Arizona and Nevada are awesome. I'll give you New Mexico and also SoCal though.

because that very same revolution: toppling Porfirio Diaz's dictatorship for a "democracy" where soulless corrupt peasant fucks as Pancho Villa and Lázaro Cárdenas do as they please was the corner stone for everything else.

three countries that are completely different and all absolutely despite eachother pretending they're one (the north, mexico city, and the south)

This.

The US had the exact same problem for most of its history, the difference is that there are Americans who actually care about their country and want to see it do better but you'd be hard pressed to find a Mexican with a similar patriotic view.

Wow, fuck a redpill and all tweens responding in this thread.

OP, get off this site, I'm doing the same thing. History w prepubescents, we can go to recess at an elementary school and hear this.

And you're embarrassing.

Why don't you try proving me wrong faggot. Oh wait you can't because if you could you would have.

Hypocrites who wanted power and made things worse by paving the way for current corruption.

Here's how it goes:
>Porfirio Díaz has been president for a long time, says he's retiring and free elections coming, everyone's hopes go up
>by now he's senile and after several bad choices goes back on his word, no elections
>several politicians, northern ones mostly, revolt
>they rally around Madero who had good intentions and wanted to make stuff better
>peasant movements in the south, Emiliano Zapata, and the north, Pancho Villa, rise up and get involved with Madero, he promises them change
>Madero's forces defeat Diaz and he resigns and is exiled to France, he was a huge frenchaboo
>free elections, possibly the freest in Mexico's history, Madero wins
>Madero is reluctant on giving too much to the revolutionary peasant leaders, doesn't want them to define the politics of the country
>they start rebelling and fighting against Madero
>with support from the US, conservative pro-Diaz, Diaz hated him though, general Victoriano Huerta takes over the government in a coup
>Madero and his Vice President are executed outside the government palace after being forced to resign
>northern politicians, Madero's allies, rebel, lead by Venustiano Carranza
>ww1 is looming so Huerta doesn't get much support, US ambassador who helped him would be imprisoned in the US
>Huerta is defeated and exile, during all of this the USA invades and takes the port of Veracruz, angering the revolutionaries
>Carranza is president now, he won't side with the peasant leaders, the government continues fighting them
>US intercepts a German telegram asking Mexico to join the central powers in case the US joins the war and to seek Japan as an ally
>So the US looks to improve its relations with Mexico and reaches a hand to Carranza, who had threatened to destroy some very large oil fields the US wanted to take
>US gives their support to Carranza, with the help from Chile, Argentina and Brazil they manage to keep Mexico from declaring war to the US
CONT

>Carranza's improving relations with the US trigger Pancho Villa who is still angry with both, so he invades the US and does bandit stuff
>Carranza allows an American army to chase him down in Mexican soil
>in the south Emiliano Zapata is betrayed, ambushed and assassinated by forces loyal to the president
>before this he had basically lead the state of Morelos on his own without any interference from Carranza, like his own country
>Carranza's term is coming up and he tries to get an unknown civilian elected as president
>this triggers his other northern politician allies who revolt, lead by Álvaro Obregón
>while running away from the city Carranza is assassinated and interim president Adolfo de la Huerta takes over until elections can happen
>Obregón wins the elections and reaches out and makes peace with Pancho Villa
>the "instituionalization (not sure if word exists) of the revolution" starts, the things Zapata and Villa were fighting for are included in government policy
>Villa retires and is given an Hacienda for him and his veterans
>When Obregón is about to finish his term Pancho Villa expresses interest on getting into politics and is assassinated
>Obregón finishes his term and his right hand man, Plutarco Elías Calles, is elected
>Elías Calles stars the Cristero War, which started because he was separating church and state for good, taking away the influence of the Catholic Church, triggering a lot of the faithful
>eventually war winds out and Elías Calles's term is running out
>Obregón gets re elected but is assassinated before he can take power, some say by Cristeros others say by Elías Calles
>next three presidents (1928-1934) are Elías puppets, time is called as Maximato
>this ends when Lázaro Cárdenas becomes president and brings a bunch of reforms
>he and Elías Calles really dislike each other

That's it, in plain terms, any questions? Ask me anything

Important stuff that happened that I forgot to include:
>Carranza's constitution was very liberal and several regimes took stuff from it, like the USSR
>Huerta tried to stage a coup from within the US, they imprisoned him and he died of syphilis
>everyone published a plan and they all, even if in a small way, shaped Mexico
>Villa and Zapata allied at one point, against Carranza, but Zapata was disillusioned with Villa and continued his guerilla war in Morelos on his own

Can you say a little more about zapata, what exactly he was fighting for and why people followed him?

His main thing was that land should belong to the one that works it.
Back then great chunks of land called latifundios belonged to just one guy and his family and peasants were pretty much forced to work there, and with what little money they got they were forced to buy at the boss's store, getting more and more into debt and having to work more and more, pretty much like slaves.
A bunch of different peasant leaders in the south starting getting organized and demanding change in working conditions and land reform, eventually through character, charisma and vision he became the leader of these guys. When Madero rejected the revolutionary peasants and sent the army to scorch earth a lot of people started looking to Madero for protection, when he managed to beat them back he became even more popular among the peasants.
After Madero was killed and Huerta took over, this brought together the different revolutionaries, Zapata, Villa and Madero's guys (Carranza, Obregón) but Zapata didn't like Carranza and went back to Morelos where he continued with the Plan de Ayala, calling for land reform and redistribution of land to the peasants.
After some guerilla and leading Morelos his own way, he was betrayed, ambushed and killed.
When Obregón became president in 1920 he included many of Zapata's followers and commanders in his government and they implemented many of Zapata's land reforms across the nations.
Of the several revolutionary leaders he was probably the most selfless and the one who cared more about making things better for people like him.
Villa was more bandit than anything.

Very informative. Ty user, we need more posts like yours here

SoCal is better tgan NV and AZ

depends on what you define as "good"

Hey man fuck you Santa Fe is lovely and NM has the best flag in the union.

I agree NM is a beautiful state and best flag in union but fuck Santa Fe, such a contrived city, looks like it's made of plastic and is one big turqoise gift shop

I kinda of enjoy the forced modernization going on in the southwest but I can understand why others find it disgusting.

The desert, as a topographical feature, definitely gets a bad rap though. Shit is beautiful.

They killed based Maximillian

I'm surprised nobody tried to blame it on the eternal gringo

can you stop pretending you are above it all you fucking cunt? Too self important to not chimp out at the use of a meme.

The best part about the legacy of the PRI is that the current Mexican state is closer to the Porfiriato than the dream the PRI was founded upon.

Everyone and everything is corrupt. Needs to be nuked.

That wasn't the Mexican Revolution. That was the French Intervention.

Man I acutally feel kind of bad for him.
He was too liberal for the conservatives and the liberals hated him because of him being an emperor.
He wasn't actually that bad, unlike past rulers he actually seemed to care about natives and was very interested in their culture.

so what happened that led the country to nearly a century of corruption and de-facto one party rule?

Is blaming America for how the whole business turned out accurate?

No.

Elías Calles, the guys he controlled, Lázaro Cárdenas and friends.
They instituzionalised the revolution and were very left leaning and nice to the people, but they also monopolized politics and made it so only their faction would continue in power, through corruption and cheating and so forth.
It got really bad in the 70s when it all started going downhill fast with the student movements and more obvious corruption and when neoliberalism started going around. Since Elias Calles, and Cardenas, the same party ruled Mexico until 2000. Around 70 years of a one party government that went from socialist-ish to neoliberal populist.

No, they did influence and played their part, but it was Mexico's doing, people and politicians.
During the 60s when the student movements and red craze was happening the US offered to back a high ranking Mexican general if he did a coup and took over, but he told them to fuck off and that he was no traitor.
Before 2000, and from now on really, Mexican society has been very anti-USA, wanting them to stay far away from local stuff, if you look at UN votes, Mexico rarely votes along the US, Mexico has opposed pretty much every American war.
The current crisis, drug war, some of the blame can be placed on the US, but corruption and all that is on Mexico's plate. The most the US would have done is seduce with its American dream and big monies some corrupt politician.

But was all of this necessary? Was Porfirio Díaz a cunt or was he /ourguy/?
PS: He was the good guy all along.

This, without him Mexico would be even less developed. Don't fall for the SEP jews.

>would be even less developed
What? The sheer amount of FDI Mexico lost makes this patently untrue.

The problem, at the end, was that he was senile and had been too long in power and was refusing to let go, even though age was clearly impairing his senses.
There's a well known anecdote that when they showed the first movie in Mexico, of a train coming towards the camera, he ran away, but that's mostly him, not age.
He had made several bad choices at the end and raised the hopes of young politicians with money and power and then dashed them.
He industrialized the nation, but peasant leaves in horrible conditions, some saw him as far too friendly to the USA, when many remembered war with them.
Like most rulers he had his good parts and his bad parts, and the bad parts caused the revolution at the end.
But he was still respected enough that they respected his person and allowed him exile instead of death.
I remember an anecdote my uncle told me that he was many years ago at a party, fancy wine party, where his really old, around 80-90, military officer was, conversation turned to history and every time Porfirio Díaz was mentioned this rally old guy would stand from his seat and salute.
Many respected him, but change was coming, and he was slipping with age.

What about the Flores Magón family? Can you give me a detailed explanation of their roles?

Any good books about the uniforms/clothing of this conflict?

Already have the Osprey book about this.

Yeah no. It's still a part of Cuckoldfornia with its idiotic laws and taxes and sanctuary cities. Literally the only reason to prefer San Diego or Inland Empire to anything in Arizona is if you're a beaner.

Anyone who doesn't like the desert is a complete faggot in my book.

Zapata sounds like the kind of guy I'd fight for.
Was he based or just a barbaric warlord?

gg

This desu.

You probably mean as a comrade but I prefer to imagine that he got into a fist fight with him instead.

Thoroughly corrupt populace that is big on shirking responsibility.

Because it was a manufactured country founded on the needs of the ruling class in direct conflict with the general populace and furthermore not on any mutually shared ideal or principle.

>The US had the exact same problem
No it didn't you just think it did.

Read about the Mexican war of independence and contrast it with the American revolution. There's some very distinct differences in how it was lead, motivated and conducted that should be apparent to even any layman.

Actual answer: nat resources vs population

No

>more natural resources and less people per square mile
We shoould be the shithole compared to them.

Actual answer

whynationsfail.com/

One hour from the mountains, from the ocean, from LA, and from Joshua Tree is pretty fucking sweet, dude.

California is shit.

You're shit

It is for the poor, I'll give you that, but if you make more than ~$60k/annum it's the best.

it's this cunt's fault the revolution turned into a civil war.

what? no. the "government forces"(who ever was in charge at the time) looked generic as fuck

and the rebels dressed in peasant clothing, cause they were peasants

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mexican mestizos didn't get enough white genes to be successful

fun fact about this guy, Victoriano Huerta, he was Mexico's 2nd indigenous president, he was a Huichol indian

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it was ethnic cleansing

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President Carranza and "el manco de Celaya"

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