What if the Nazis actually won WW2?

Would the world really become "le fascist dystopian wasteland" like many Hollywood movies and popular books like to imagine?

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Yes.

Germany "Winning" WW2, given their patent inability to decisively strike at Britain, let alone America, probably means defeating the USSR (somehow) and then enduring attacks from the west until their conquests are recognized.

It's unclear how long it would take before the British and Americans get fed up, but it would probably be some kind of fortress Europa, shattered by strategic and possibly nuclear bombing.

It would be pretty hellish in continental Europe, but their influence really couldn't spread that much further.

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>Starts a /pol/ meme thread
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They would probably invade the United States and descend, invading Mexico, going to Central America, invading, and then invading South America. But not Argentina.

The USSR could have easily been defeated if the Japs just launched an attack from the East instead of attacking the U.S. and halving the Russian forces as a result, their army was absurdly under utilized in the war and relegated to fighting ridiculous jungle skirmishes in Burma that ended up being completely worthless fighting the elements more than anything else.

>The USSR could have easily been defeated if the Japs just launched an attack from the East instead of attacking the U.S. and halving the Russian forces as a result

Are you ignorant, or just insane?

For starters, the Soviets had about a million troops in the Far East, even on the darkest days of the 1941 attacks, something which is not easy to overcome.

Secondly, even if you do somehow manage to overcome the border defenses, the Soviets can retreat back towards Irkutsk, and tear up the one railroad that there is in that part of the world behind them, while the Japanese get to face winter conditions that are way worse than what the Germans saw in their part of the war. It wouldn't "halve" Soviet forces.

It would barely inconvenience them except insofar as closing Vladivostok for Lend-Lease, and forcing it to reroute to Persian ports.

Most of what you just mentioned is completely hypothetical and the 1 million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa numbers wise, so I don't know what you're on about. There's also the entire IJN that you're not taking into account which can attack pretty much wherever it wants deep into Russia via rivers and cause total chaos with logistics.

Japanese troops were also used to fighting and very familiar with Siberian weather so I don't know what you're on about with that point either. The IJA wasn't some tiny force that could just be ignored. It would have raised havoc easily and would push all the way to industrialized Russia with little effort with aid from the IJN especially considering what happened with China and how shit the Russians were at communications and logistics.

>Most of what you just mentioned is completely hypothetical


As opposed to say, what would happen if the Japanese attacked the Soviets? At least mine is grounded in facts on the ground.

> million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa numbers wise,

What the fuck are you talking about?

operationbarbarossa.net/the-siberian-divisions-and-the-battle-for-moscow-in-1941-42/

They transferred 14 divisions. That's a fuckton lot less than a million troops.

>here's also the entire IJN that you're not taking into account which can attack pretty much wherever it wants deep into Russia via rivers and cause total chaos with logistics.

No, they can't, because you can't sail battleships up rivers, all Siberian rivers source from inland, and to get to their mouths you'd need to go up into the permafrost, and they are in fact pretty worthless for an inland campaign.

>Japanese troops were also used to fighting and very familiar with Siberian weather

No they weren't. What the fuck are you on about? They were used to conditions in China, not where you have 6 feet of snow 9 months a year.

>The IJA wasn't some tiny force that could just be ignored

No, it was about 4 million men, most of which were needed in China. The few troops that could be spared for a push into Russia would be badly outmatched.

>t would have raised havoc easily and would push all the way to industrialized Russia with little effort with aid from the IJN especially considering what happened with China and how shit the Russians were at communications and logistics.

They were much better than the Japanese, considering how the border clashes in the late 30s went. They wouldn't push anywhere near to "industrialized" Russia.

>Most of what you just mentioned is completely hypothetical and the 1 million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa numbers wise

Look at the numbers of USSR troops stationed in the east and you'll find that Stalin was continually reinforcing the far east with more troops every year of WW2, not depleting those that were stationed there to shore up the Western front. The IJA stood absolutely no chance whatsoever at making any kind of decisive difference in the European front with actions on Soviet far east holdings.

I just want to make 1 amendment: The Soviets transferred 14 divisions from Siberia to the European theater. Only 7 of them were from the Far East Command.

Neither Germany nor Japan had any intentions of invading the US mainland.

IJA couldn't wrap up the war in China, how the fuck would they fight both them and USSR at the same time.

This. I don't understand where this stupid meme came from. Maybe it's an imaginative narrative to push to sell books and movies.

holy shit I have to deal with a multi quote autist now

>As opposed to say, what would happen if the Japanese attacked the Soviets? At least mine is grounded in facts on the ground.

Irkutsk scenario you mentioned was hypothetical no need to take things out of context.
>operationbarbarossa.net/the-siberian-divisions-and-the-battle-for-moscow-in-1941-42/

you're literally linking the first thing that pops up into google and i'm not talking about the division breakup from one battle, this actually kinda reinforces the fact that there was fucking nothing in Siberia to begin with

>No, they can't, because you can't sail battleships up rivers, all Siberian rivers source from inland, and to get to their mouths you'd need to go up into the permafrost, and they are in fact pretty worthless for an inland campaign.

because the IJN is nothing but battleships right, oh no it wasn't there were many many many smaller craft that could be used to transport troops across the vast amounts of river all throughout Russia. Battleships and carriers would just be used to secure the ports and mouths of the rivers stopping Russian supply from the sea, no biggie.

>No they weren't. What the fuck are you on about? They were used to conditions in China, not where you have 6 feet of snow 9 months a year.

The Japanese fought in Siberia though.

>No, it was about 4 million men, most of which were needed in China. The few troops that could be spared for a push into Russia would be badly outmatched.

4 million is incorrect for just the army, I will leave it at that

>They were much better than the Japanese, considering how the border clashes in the late 30s went. They wouldn't push anywhere near to "industrialized" Russia.

You're really going to go the extra mile and say they were much better really? If you want to nitpick about military superiority look up Tsushima or Khalkhyn Gol casualties and realize the Japanese did far more damage with less actual forces.

>What Hitler envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of “living room” (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or there- abouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder.
>George Orwell 1940
Nuff said

>it's another "Germany would have won WW2 if I was Führer" episode
Why are autists so obsessed with Nazi Germany?

Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis. The question is, would that have persisted after "Final Victory" (let's say, a grudging peace deal with the Soviet Union fucking off the Ukrainian farmland and oil fields, and UK keeping their colonies but ceding the European seas to Germany, U.S. never getting involved, France remaining cucked as a satrapy)? The German economy under the Nazis was heavily based on expansionism, and may have stalled or even fallen apart, after the whirlwind of capturing new assets and producing for the war effort.

>Do you want informative and objective discussion of past world events?
>/his...
>lmao no
>&humanities

One thing people always seem to forget in these German victory scenarios is that Hitler was, and would still be, a fucking idiot.

>holy shit I have to deal with a multi quote autist now

Yes, how terrible that I analyze what you say line by line.

>Irkutsk scenario you mentioned was hypothetical no need to take things out of context.

rkutsk involves the Japanese advancing further on their front than the Germans ever did on theirs, and would be wildly optimistic, and still not getting near any acutally industrialized parts of Siberia.


>you're literally linking the first thing that pops up into google and i'm not talking about the division breakup from one battle, this actually kinda reinforces the fact that there was fucking nothing in Siberia to begin with

You obviously didn't read it. There were a grand total of 14 divisions transferred from "Siberia" from August to December 1941. Most of those weren't even at Moscow, the "one battle". Only half of those were from Far East Command. Your statement that the million troops were pulled out is quite simply wrong.


>attleships and carriers would just be used to secure the ports and mouths of the rivers stopping Russian supply from the sea, no biggie.

What ports do you have at the rivers that flow to the arctic in Siberia? Go on, name a few? What supplies were being brought up from them? And how the hell are the Japanese going to attack through them when they're covered in permafrost?

>The Japanese fought in Siberia though.

A few border clashes, most of which they lost.

>4 million is incorrect for just the army, I will leave it at that

4 million was roughly what they sent to China, and never all at once.

>If you want to nitpick about military superiority look up Tsushima

yes, let's draw from a 40 year old battle.

>Khalkhyn Gol casualties and realize the Japanese did far more damage with less actual forces.

m-muh KDR. You were talking about "logistical and communication issues" Which the Soviets did quite a bit better than the Japs at Khalkin Gol.


Retard.

>it's the normie can't understand why Germany was in desperate need for gas and just assumes all the leaders were dummies post

>Axis winning ww2
hahahaha
>Germany and Japan occupying the US
HAHAHAHA

German hegemony in most of Europe, they wouldn't take over the world like in stupid American fantasies. They would be a huge military power, but who knows how their economy would work out, considering they relied on war for a large part to make it work.

In that book the Germans are the one's who get the nukes and level Washington.

Well consider that they'd just puppeted half of europe and rest fo them were their allies. They could've pull so much economical leverage like that. Just like EU now.

Nah, he was a legitimately stupid person. After WWI he tried to get a job as a mail-carrier but failed the intelligence test. Karl Mayr, his superior in army Intelligence during WWI, claimed "his intellect was not higher than that of an eight-year-old child." And this is before he became a drug addict.

holy shit i'm not replying to all this autism

>rkutsk involves the Japanese advancing further on their front than the Germans ever did on theirs, and would be wildly optimistic, and still not getting near any acutally industrialized parts of Siberia.

You realize the Japanese don't even have to attack Siberia right? They could literally attack any fucking point of Russia they wanted along the southern border or in the Northwest if they chose. It doesn't matter anyway because there's fucking nothing in Siberia anyway.

>What ports do you have at the rivers that flow to the arctic in Siberia? Go on, name a few? What supplies were being brought up from them? And how the hell are the Japanese going to attack through them when they're covered in permafrost?

It's not the 1700's we're talking about, ice breakers existed in this time and there's something called summer. Ships also weren't made out of wood that kinda helps a little tiny wee bit if your entire ship is made of steel and has a turbine engine.

Russians got btfo completely in Tsushima it was embarrassing and just shows how dogshit they we're tactically and communications wise, and then got their assholes ripped apart in a few border clashes which the Japanese retreated from because they had less forces and still did lots and lots of damage with less actual stuff.

If the Japanese invaded Russia they would have done tons of damage and probably taken city after city with little or no contest until an army actually met them and literally nothing you said has disproven any of that.

Your argument boils down to saying "well millions of soldiers invading from anywhere along tens of thousands of miles would be impossible and repelled instantly somehow even though the Germans plowed through literally their equal in numbers along a much smaller border like a knife though butter."

They probably would done the same as the us, cultural hegemony ( buy our cultural products and we give you money, learn our language since you're a child cause it's useful for you ) treats the other european countries as vassals ( suez crisis anyone ? ), create something similar as Nato, play the good guy with massive propaganda

The Germans were way better at war than the Japanese were. The IJA was actually pretty awful, and denied a lot of funding in favor of the navy after how poorly the border clashes with the USSR went.
For the Japanese to have any hope of overwhelming the Russians they would have needed to halt all other offensive operations including China, the whole reason they went to war in the first place.
Even assuming they do all that any fighting against the Russians are going to be drawn out and bloody.
The Japanese were completely incapable of repeating what the Germans did due to inferior armor, organization, mechanization, and especially logistics.
Under the best case scenario the Japanese take the Far East then nothing happens because the Japanese had no way to cross 500 miles of frozen wasteland between the Far East and western Russia where all the action is.

I ain't even him, you're just coming across as extremely green on WW2 history and potentially a weeaboo with how much you overrate the second worst performing army in the war.

>man with comparable intelligence of an 8 year old becoming supreme leader of all Germans
it checks out

The image from the OP is from the man in the high castle, if you haven't read the book you are pleb, the scenario (of the axis winning) is just framing for the plot.

>what if
>WW2
>Nazis

Congrats OP, you managed to get 3 tell tale signs for a shit/his/ thread in your op. If you are not trolling hard, chances yare you are bellow average intelligence and will fail hard in life.
Enjoy mommies basement while it lasts.

Puppets get put in power all the live long time, famalamadingdong.

I am also another guy but stop this. First of all; imagine sailing with your IJN on some russian rivers. After a while it becomes impossible for them to go further just because of the sheer lack of depth of the river, so they would probably not even be able to reach the important targets at all. Secondly, imagine what an increddible easy target a navy on a river would be for the russian airforce. It just doesn't work. You end up with an utterly defeated japanese navy somewhere in northern siberia without any resources.

> even though the Germans plowed through literally their equal in numbers along a much smaller border like a knife though butter.

The western part of Russian is the hospitable part. Siberia was and still is harsh as fuck withot almost any infrastructural assets except for some raillines, which could easily be sabotaged by the russians. A japanese army advancing through thousand and thousand square kilometers of absolutely nothing would be a historically unprecedented logistical nightmare because there is literally no way for the japanese to reach the front line with resources unless they make use of air supplies, but considering the amount of planes needed for that if you actually want to supply the majority of the japanese army you have to realise that this too is impossible. The germans weren't even able to do it during Stalingrad and the 9th army would only be a fraction of the forces needed by the japanese for a siberian invasion.

Japanese have always been considered first rate soldiers in a third rate army. Their leadership was shit, their equipment was shit, but there's something to be said for fanaticism.

All you have to do is look how little artillery they managed to produce over the war to know the Soviets would push their shit in. You can get away with it on islands, but that's it.

The only battlefields of WW2 in which rifles and machine guns were responsible for more inflicted casualties than artillery/mortars/bombs were those last few island battles against the Americans. If you're familiar with military history you'll understand how crazy that is, and what it says about the Japanese soldier.

the idea is insulting to my intelligence

more so the idea that there are enough Japanese and germans to invade this continent and conquer it

the germans couldn't even capture the UK

You realize Russia has huge rivers everywhere right? and that the Russian airforce was devastated by the Germans and mostly located in the west anyway right? I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You're trying the imply that Japanese can't bring planes into the mix either which they can. They even had a completely separate land based airforce.

>You end up with an utterly defeated japanese navy somewhere in northern siberia without any resources.

With what though? If a significant force invades nothing is going to stop it, especially if your only reinforcement point is a small rail line. It would simply move forward until the Soviets finally gathered an army large enough which would be very very long in the case of Siberia if that's where they invaded.

>The IJA was actually pretty awful, and denied a lot of funding in favor of the navy after how poorly the border clashes with the USSR went.

I don't get how you can claim this even though so many of the Japanese possessions were land based and how much fighting happened in China, Burma etc. It's completely unfounded.

>For the Japanese to have any hope of overwhelming the Russians they would have needed to halt all other offensive operations including China

Not quite halt, it would simply be what was used to attack the U.S. being redirected which was a lot. They were actually focusing quite a bit on southeast Asia and U.S. assets at that time. Most of what was fighting in China was tattered leftovers at that time.

>The Japanese were completely incapable of repeating what the Germans did due to inferior armor, organization, mechanization, and especially logistics.

No I agree they couldn't do exactly that but they also don't even have to because there are no massive armies waiting for them. It's just miles and miles of empty countryside until you get to railways.

All they really have to do is focus on cities and industrial centers or I would imagine simply invade and take the oil fields fast by going through Kazakhstan pretty much completely unopposed and establishing supply lines that way. Their main goal of attacking the U.S. was oil. You could blockade any ports from the north and Russia is pretty much finished. No lend lease no oil for their tanks and planes. All you have to do is defend from that point on or attack if they saw any weaknesses. Pinpoint where the factories are and launch a Pearl Harbor type attack on it.

I would also note this all doesn't have to occur in 1941, this is all hypothetical timeline stuff. I'm merely pointing out that it is all very doable.

Why the fuck would they have a Neutral Zone. Makes sense in the Ocean or deep Space but that's where are the taxes and goods from those states going?

Fascism mostly spreads as a reaction (ex, Italy's lacking WWI pays, Germany's economic collapse, and Spain's Civil War) and we've went so long being unchallenged after WWII that the slightest mishaps will send us into fascism again.

School is in session.

artillery wasn't being produced because there wasn't a demand for it, instead bombs and naval based weapons were being produced because that was in demand

Im not part of any of this but I saw some user saying that permafrost freezes a river, but permafrost is when soil (not water) is frozen for two or more years. It is icy and prevents water from draining and roots from penetrating. In the future just say that the rivers freeze over.

They were prepping for an expected invasion for well over a year

within a few generations there would be violent revolutions, and the states that remained nazi loyal would undergo slow "liberalisation" and become basically the same as now. Years later teens would be surprised that their modern state was founded on genocide.

I find it hard to believe the japanese would be able to fight their way through to industrial russia from the East, having to travel like 3/4s of the country, when forces that bordered industrial russia were unable to take it over a considerably smaller distance in a much less alien environment.

Just going to point out the Japs were in Siberia from 1917-1922 so any arguments of Japan can not Russian winter are pretty unfounded.

>THE JAPS WOULD HAVE MARCHED THROUGH FUCKING SIBERIA SENPAI LMFAO LMFAO TRUST ME LMFAO


Okay user, whatever you say

The very idea of Germany successfully maintaining an occupation of the entire European side of the USSR to genocide the entire population to make space for german colonists seems unlikely, even if the Soviet Union had been utterly destroyed militarily.

>they refer to themselves as Nazis
Did the makers of the show/book actually put any research into who they were portraying?

They were not going to genocide all of them, it was genocide the 'worst' races, enslave, sterilize, or force to breed with germans for the rest, well Germans ruled over it all and destroy the cultural identity of everyone there.

Honestly this is all going to be conjecture, but I doubt that a Nazi regime, even with a very beneficial outcome from ww2, would have lasted long. The economical success of Germany in the 30s would not have been able to continue post-war, especially considering the heavy loss of manpower, and thus economic output, that would have resulted from the war. That combined with a very insane and incompetent leadership would probably lead to a very unstable government and thus a very crippled country, God know what the succession crisis that would inevitably happen would do to stability. Eventually a rebellion would start, probably from the military in a Kiel-esque fashion, if not from the conquered populace in newly-gained territories (If any are retained). Also the Nazis never would have been able to invade The United States, unless they were somehow able to miraculously transform their navy mid-war, with resources they didn't have. As for the fascist dystopia aspect, it wouldn't be unconcievable that the Nazis would have continued concentration camps, but they would have definitely been unable to ethnically cleanse everywhere. A Stasi-like situation would have arisen if the DDR is any indication.

Also to chime in on the navy bit, and preempt this argument, if the Germans some how managed to take the British isles, Churchill would sink any ships he could not take with him to wherever the government in exile went, probably the United States or Canada.
There is no way the Germans could ever even in the best case scenario gain access to the British Navy.

What exactly was the end game of Nazis?

They didn't have to march though anything.
They could've just taken Vladivostok and defended Manchuria and the soviets would be obligated to march THEIR forces across Siberia to take it back.

Or the soviets ignore it and the Lend lease gets diverted to elsewhere or hell alot of that shit could have been airlifted from Alaska or Canada to the USSR completely going around the Japs hold on Siberia, only things that had to go by ship would be effected and most the lend lease was Food, Ammo, Weapons, Supplies, There were trucks and tanks too and that kind of stuff being cut off would hurt but food was the biggest thing the red army needed.

I really feel like Dick source for this book was mostly Hearts of Iron AAR made by /pol/

Free Europe from communism

Nah. Nazi Germany was way too inefficient to produce the kind of Dystopia that most Hollywood movies have. It would have [COLLAPSE]d on it's own, even without outside powers. Imagine a Zimbabwe, or a North Korea in Europe. Even with the Ukraine, etc. it wouldn't be long before they were asking the international community 'gib bread please.'

The concentration camps weren't meant for ethnic cleansing. That's ally propaganda.

Neither Zimbabwe or North Korea were economically flourishing to begin with. North Korea and Zimbabwe are in the state that their in today due to economic sanctions imposed by super powers.

>artillery wasn't being produced because there wasn't a demand for it
What is the China Theater?

Nazis would have gone through a reform phase and be on a multicultural path today

Time doesn't stand still

>Neither Zimbabwe or North Korea were economically flourishing to begin with
North Korea, at least had that kind of "Economic Flourishing" From 1945 to about 1960.
>North Korea and Zimbabwe are in the state that their in today due to economic sanctions imposed by super powers.
Sure. If you're going to basically claim that the United States is the soul producer of all wealth in the world, then yeah, Nazi Germany wouldn't have had just as shit of an economy.

No they would not have dumbshit>and the 1 million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa

God I hate Veeky Forums

Wew this has to be bait

FUCK OFF BACK TO POL AND DIE YOU IGNORANT TROGLODYTE IM LITERALLY SHAKING AT HOW UNINFORMED YOU ARE

>You realize Russia has huge rivers everywhere right?
Yeah, in West Russia.

Not an argument

Japan butt fucked Russia in the 1890s. They would have done it again.

>10,000 soldiers in Siberia
>4 million soldiers in Siberia

Ahhh yes very similar situations

>obligated

Yes just like they immediately marched back to retake Warsaw in 1920-1938?

You being a weaboo and an idiot is not up for argument.

>Japan butt fucked Russia in the 1890s.

Veeky Forums

>Obligated
kek. It's funny because this shit is how Japanese War Planning went sometimes.

>If we occupy Rabaul, the Americans HAVE to retake it sometime, right? :^)

>1890's

Wew

Are you intellectually dishonest or just a fucking mongoloid.

Perpetual war to sustain the state

When exactly did Japan "butt fuck" Russia in the 1890's?

>he fell for Ally propaganda

>being this historically illiterate

You do realize that Stalin killed over 700,000 jap troops in Manchuria between the two bombs - nearly killing more jap soldiers in less than a month than America did during its entire campaign? In addition to being a large part of the motivation for the Japs to finally surrender (well, finally, for the third time). Better to be occupied by Trueman than Stalin, to be sure.

>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis.
Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Weimar Republic, which the Nazi's just threw into the fire of a massive misguided war effort.

>trusting hollywood
No, hitler to my knowledge just wanted to conquer europe.

OP would still be a kissless virgin NEET living with his parents because passive aggressive BETA males will never be winners in any society or time period they happen to be born into

The Japs helped prop up the White Siberian State going as far as to repel attacks again Vladivostok, they were deployed there from 1917-1922 until they had to withdraw. They were there as part of the coalition originally but stayed on after the others left.
So what part of the Japs were in Siberia from those dates was intellectually dishonest?
I am not debating that the Japs would loose, the Japs did not have the resources or production capacity to beat the Russians, especially with American lend lease, but saying Hurdur Russian winter is stupid, hell the Germans probably could have beaten the Russians if they had planned for a longer campaign rather then just assuming the Russians would quit the war, and it would be over before winter.

The Japanese and Russians didn't fight at any significant level in the 1890's.

>So what part of the Japs were in Siberia from those dates was intellectually dishonest?

The fact you imply that 10,000 Japanese soldiers in 1920 Far East Russia is somehow proof that 4 million would be trained to handle Siberian warfare in 1940.

>I am not debating that the Japs would loose, the Japs did not have the resources or production capacity to beat the Russians, especially with American lend lease, but saying Hurdur Russian winter is stupid, hell the Germans probably could have beaten the Russians if they had planned for a longer campaign rather then just assuming the Russians would quit the war, and it would be over before winter.


No, because you, (and most people in this thread) are misunderstanding why attacking in the winter is hard. It's not the risk of freezing, or the snow; it's how the precipitation downs most aircraft, and how it really fucks with your logistics, bringing up more men and material through bad weather is tough as hell no matter how prepared you are for bad weather.

The Soviets, when they got the upper hand in the war in the east, advanced much slower in the winter than they did in the summer, and they were also pretty prepared for snow conditions. Bad weather always makes it harder to attack.

>An Axis victory would have been More hellish than the million commie rapes, amero-brainwashing of Western Europe and iron curtain.

Have any cites to back your opinion? Don't say "muh Slavic genocide" because the third Reich allied with certain Slavs (what are croats?) and almost certainly wouldn't have gone through with what was by all means a fantasy.

>airlifted from Alaska or Canada to the USSR

The stupid shit I see posted on Veeky Forums

>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis.
This is wrong.

>There's also the entire IJN that you're not taking into account which can attack pretty much wherever it wants deep into Russia via rivers and cause total chaos with logistics.
>commerce raiding down a river with a blue water navy
this is what weebs actually believe

>and that the Russian airforce was devastated by the Germans
Actually the Russian air force continued to grow in strength.

The Japanese fought Chinese peasants and poorly led, barely funded, backwards thinking British.
They attacked similarly poorly led and equipped Americans who were heavily outnumbered.
They then started fighting Allies who got their shit together and proceeded to lose basically every battle on land, air and sea from Midway onward.

The IJA was made of fanatics and die hards, but in the end all they did was die fanatically as soon as their opponents put their best foot forward. The only country that overall performed worse in ww2 that wasn't a tiny irrelevant player like Romania, was Italy.
Even France had a better showing, although while also holding the title of most disastrous fuck up in the war by a large margin.

But those are ships made out of glorious nippon steel, surely they will be up for the task.

>Strasser becomes fuhrer instead of Hitler.
>form a pact with Stalin.
>other facist nations get inspired and become a bit more socialistic
>Germany and Soviet teams up to free the world from liberal degeneracy and greed
>most of euroasia, the colonies in africa turns to fascism or socialism, Japan, Australia, Latin america and USA becomes isolated from Euroasia

Better question: could IJA have transported 4 million soldiers across 3/4 of USSR if there was absolutely no opposition? and how many of the 4 million would have survived the journey?

All their ideas were a fantasy. They clearly wanted to genocide the Jews and enslave and later exterminate millions of Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and other Slavs. Generalplan Ost was a real thing, you know?

>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis
Borrowing billions and paying people in IOU's isnt a miracle

It is when you never have to pay it back.