Why didn't we listen? Why did the world choose that abomination Voltaire over Joseph De Maistre?

Why didn't we listen? Why did the world choose that abomination Voltaire over Joseph De Maistre?

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What would the life of an average wagecuck look like today if De Maistre had been the dominating political theorist of the past two centuries?

>average wagecuck

Would wagecucks even exist?

I'm not sure, I think the majority of those who were not aristocrats, or self-employed would probably belong to guilds. Even if they were traditional wage slaves their life would have meaning, so they wouldn't just hate life and work and then drown their sorrows in hedonistic pleasure during their time off.

"Voltaire, who spoke for decades on every subject without once penetrating the surface of any"

"Voltaire does not err here in the way anyone is apt to. He errs shamefully, in a total eclipse of common sense. Everything which springs from an abuse is an abuse!"

"Dante said to Vergil, honoring him a bit too much, one must admit: Maestro di color che sanno. Parini, although he had his head completely turned, has, however, had the courage to say to Voltaire, parodying Dante: Sei Maestro ... di coloro che credon che sanno - an apt remark"

" If venality be considered only as a means of inheritance, every fair-minded person is struck by this point of view, the true one. This is not the place to discuss the matter at length? but it is already demonstrated that Voltaire was completely unaware of it."

"Man is forbidden to give great names to works of his which he considers mighty. But if be has proceeded legitimately, the common names for the work will be ennobled by it and become great. I recall no famous epithet of Voltaire - perhaps this is merely due to forgetfulness on my part."

How can one man get so BTFO?

>What was novel in Maistre's writings was not his enthusiastic defense of monarchical and religious authority per se, but rather his arguments concerning the practical need for ultimate authority to lie with an individual capable of decisive action, as well as his analysis of the social foundations of that authority's legitimacy. [government must be based on compelling but non-rational grounds, which its subjects must not be allowed to question]

How is this novel? Didn't Plato suggest the same golden myth for the masses.

As a side note, I also recall Richard Rorty going on about the opposite of this doctrine. That the Latin-American countries were no longer able to use a divine justification to form new constitutions, they would need an ethnic justification.

Probably because the divine right of kings is a stupid idea and a republic in which all are equal in the eyes of the law isn't.

That is so incredibly misinformed its hard to know where to begin.

perhaps I will just point out guilds were as exploitative as any corporation, and they relied on cheap temporary labor to get things done.

>he thinks rationality works

Experience proves it wrong again and again.

With respect to population, commerce, prohibitory legislation, and a thousand other important subjects, the most plausible theory is almost always found contradicted and brought to nothing by experience. Let us cite a few examples.

What method must be used to make a state strong? "It is necessary first to encourage population by every possible means." On the contrary, every law tending directly to favor population without regard to other considerations is bad. It is even necessary to endeavor to establish in the state a certain moral force which tends to diminish the number of marriages and to make them less hasty. A gain of births over deaths as shown by tables usually shows only the number of the destitute, etc., etc. French economists outlined the demonstration of these truths, and the excellent work of MALTHUS has completed it.

How shall food shortages and famine be prevented? "Nothing is more simple. It is necessary to prohibit the export of grains." On the contrary, a premium must be granted those who export them. The authoritative example of England has forced us to swallow this paradox.

>perhaps I will just point out guilds were as exploitative as any corporation, and they relied on cheap temporary labor to get things done.

T.reads wikipedia

We sure wouldn't suffer through the idiotic abominations known as nationalism and communism that ruined Christian Europe forever.

Just give up, you can't reason with the reactionary catholic larpers around here.

Christian Europe never existed. Rodney stark proved this in his argument against secularization.

Christianity is Jewish nationalist communism at its core though

> you can't reason with the reactionary catholic larpers around here

>trying to reason with people
>maistre thread

We don't worship rationality like a false god.

>Rodney stark
Literally who?

Fantastic meme. That's why the Jews like Moses Mendelssohn pushed the secularization meme the hardest I guess?

Yeeeaaaahhhhh no.

The french monarchy was worthless garbage and the world is better off for it's destruction.

>Literally who?

One of the most accomplished contemporary researches in the field of religious studies. Notable for being one of the few in the field who aren't completely retarded anti-theists who just attack religion with reductionist nonsense.

Of course we know that Malthus was wrong that standards of living have risen despite population growth.

>unironically supporting the french revolution

wealth=/=standards of living

It's only fitting that modern France, a child of the barbaric revolution, devalued their spirituality and tradition so hard they're now being conquered by a group of people who did not.

The french revolution failed because it was done without the institutions and cultural framework to carry out the transition. Not because monarchy is a good form of government.

>In their 1987 book A Theory of Religion, Stark and Bainbridge describe themselves as "personally incapable of religious faith".
I do not concern myself with the ramblings of the depraved.

he claims to be agnostic, possibly because it helps him publish things. This is a field where being religious is considered being impossible to be unbias and go where the evidence leads, even though the opposite is true.

Because Christians applied Jewish theorems to themselves. INstead of it being Jews having a free pass to kill anyone non Jewish for the greater good it was now Christians, and Jews didn't like that because they aren't Christians

The french revolution failed and continues to fail because it was satanic state sponsored usury and sodomy.

Not to mention Jewry.

>jewry

jewry is just usury+superkinship. Sodomy too for non-orthodox jews. Non-Orthodox jews truly are "two legged animals"

liberalism has produced for us the fruits of industry, state stability, and individual rights.

Of all the ancient regimes, the only one who could compete with the modern liberal state was Germany, but even it was a break from the classical monarchy,and it brought war on the liberal states and was destroyed.

>Germany
>ancient regime
Literally a modernist abomination spawned by the Napoleonic nationalist meme.

>liberalism
>STATE STABILITY
Oh wow.

> fruits of industry
usury

>state stability
lol

> individual rights.
sodomy

>Sodomy
What's so wrong with pleasuring the male g-spot?

Other than going to hell for it?

Why would God send anyone to hell for pleasuring a part he himself created?
Why else would there be a g-spot there if it wasn't intended for ass fucking?

Ask commonfilth better yet ask God.

We've degenerated and gone back to the old understanding of freedom, which is really just slavery to ones vices.

>why would evil be tempting

it really makes you think

>all these nonexistent boogeymen Christcucks use as an internet tough guy cop out "m-muh god will beat you up faggots!"

>tfw too smart for Christcuckery

voltaire's not such a bad dude

Why would God create the hangman's noose if not for degenerates like you? Stop asking stupid questions.

Why is shitposting on le 4chens so tempting?

You're going to burn like the rest of us, hypocrite scum.

I'd like commonfilth more if not for all the muslim shillery. I'm starting to think he's a muslim himself and only uses a christian framework because it's more relatable for his audience.

>maistre forgotten but all but the few non-degenerate "alt-right"

>meanwhile this is one of the most famous living philosophers on earth

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I agree he's gone full retard, probably because he takes his audience anecdotes on good faith and watches a little too much pastor manning

>I'm too smart for the truth

Modernism in a nutshell

t. alt-right cucks

At least E.Micheal Jones is still pretty good.

>My opinion is right and urs is wrong!!!!

christcuckery in a nutshell

PS: the local nigger church is more devout than you

There is nothing satanists love more than telling people how to be Christians.

I still like how he's one of the few people who manages to expose both degenerate cuckold leftists and /pol/tards alike.

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It's pretty incredible how gay and subverted /pol/ got so quickly. It was never anything exceptional but it's fallen even more than any other Veeky Forums board which are all fucking abysmal.

Poison sellers need poison buyers. This leash demeans us both.

As someone who's been here since 2007 I can tell that Veeky Forums has always been faggotized to the core, in /pol/'s case their faggotry just came out on top when they got tired of LARPing as edgy right wingers, which was inevitable.

>2007 fuck off new fag

/pol/ was good when it was /news/ and actually came about from something genuine. Even just a few years ago the worst /pol/ had was the lolbertardians, which while pretty terrible at least aren't full retard--- Sometimes atleast.

back to boogeymen and internet tough guy*ism

what are you even doing for God? Shitposting on Veeky Forums in his name? LOL

SKINNY NIGGA WITH A FRO

>lolbergs
>not full retard

I literally can't think of a more retarded demographic on Veeky Forums, other than the bronies maybe.

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I unironically like CF.

>I unironically like CF.
Me too desu.

all of /lgbt/ exists a handful of libertarians are just autistic and love to debate min/maxing economics. They can't understand anything else so they just lazily say everything is permitted using some shallow don't tread on me! principle.

CF hates the people who like his completion videos. Only likes those who watch his shitty 2 hour podcasts.

> and the excellent work of MALTHUS

Topkek.

Malthus was right then and he's right now. Get woke.

>/lgbt/
>libertarians
You'd be surprised how much overlap there is.

There's quite a chance you are getting rused?

Of course, you can tell what type of "libertarian" they are by what aspect they emphasize. Economics or personal freedoms.

Yes who would dare criticize sodomites in the current year? It must just be funny memes.

Libertartianism seem to be popular within the fringe groups, not that there's anything wrong in that

>Telling people they will go to hell for homosexuality
>On Veeky Forums

...

I wouldn't even be surprised if that was shot in front of a Trump rally.

>Friendly reminder that this site is for GAYTHEIST'S ONLY ANIME OPTIONAL

>Economics or personal freedoms
>exploitative judeocapitalism or the right to fuck children
They're both the same.

>/pol/tards

usury and sodomy are two sides of the same coin yes

Did you show up late to the thread?

I guess what i'm saying is I don't believe all the usury based libertarians have really internalized their values. I genuinely think they have aspergers or something and just love numbers. I'm probably wrong though, not all wisdom brings joy.

>English translation of Maistre so eloquent
>you don't speak frog so you will never be able to truly appreciate his prose.

>Joseph De Maistre
Because he was an cuck who envisioned a monarchical religious utopia on earth. Voltaire may have been an idealist, but he was also rational, willing to question his own beliefs. When you have a nutjob who rejects even the scientific method but understands what it is, that's when you know you've gone full fucking wacko.

"Hi, my name is Maistre and I make a living telling the Pope and King exactly what they want to hear."

You want to see Maistre's work in action? Pic related. You want to see what happens not long after that? Get ready wag your Willy.

Doesn't the bible forbid human sacrifice? Why would he be charged with the slaughter of man with the earth being a vast altar? Did he even read the bible?

>trying to reason with people
>maistre thread

>We don't worship rationality like a false god.

if you have abandoned reason, then you have abandoned peaceful argument. It is not necessarily a bad thing, peace is a corruptive force on all involved, stagnating and incentivising dishonesty.

I'll give it to you totalitarians. you may be irrational overly emotional likely INFP cucks but its more interesting fighting somebody who is atleast honest about what they are instead of pretending like the socialist left do.

>What is poetic writing

>that pic
>WE WUZ ROMANS


>if you have abandoned reason

Not worshiping reason=/= abandoning reason

>Doesn't the bible forbid human sacrifice?

it's complicated. If you're talking pagan sacrifice to placate/earn the favor of gods than yes, human sacrifice isn't permitted. Even if done for Him it's treating Him like a pagan deity.

Maistre describes the world as it is. And we may not be sacrificing for god but for satan.

But god is fine with us sacrificing other stuff for him, isn't he?

>in which all are equal in the eyes of the law isn't.

So children are the same as adults in the eyes of the law, right?

Sacrifice must not be done as a bribe. You must sacrifice because you want to not because it will save you or earn you any favor. When done as an expression of good faith sacrifice is appreciated, and rewarded

Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25Whoever loves his life will lose it, but whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, My servant will be as well. If anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him.…

So Nihilisim is the answer?

But he says till evil is extinct and until death is death and end condition which man must bring about through human sacrifice. This contradicts God's word and even in a poetic sense, I find such a work of 'art' heretical.

Jesus was a human sacrifice, and it can be argued that all punishments of death from the law of moses is a sacrifice. Sacrifice has to come from the right place, though something like blood Penance/atonement

8“I do not reprove you for your sacrifices,
And your burnt offerings are continually before Me.

9“I shall take no young bull out of your house
Nor male goats out of your folds.

10“For every beast of the forest is Mine,
The cattle on a thousand hills.

11“I know every bird of the mountains,
And everything that moves in the field is Mine.

12“If I were hungry I would not tell you,
For the world is Mine, and all it contains.

13“Shall I eat the flesh of bulls
Or drink the blood of male goats?

14“Offer to God a sacrifice of thanksgiving
And pay your vows to the Most High;

You do realize that Maistre was totalitarian don't you?

No

>This contradicts God's word and even in a poetic sense

>what is revelation

It's a very bleak picture but not surprising to find humanity doesn't take the gift of eternal life Christ offers.

No. The punishment of death is not a human sacrifice. It is not an offering to God. Please read the bible before you make such claims...

>Hate your life on this earth for something unwordly
>Not total nihilism

I think your 60IQ has confused Nihilism with Gnosticism

>No. The punishment of death is not a human sacrifice. It is not an offering to God

Please be filled with the holy spirit before you make such claims.

>what is revelation
You need to read the Bible! Revelation does entail the final death of man being made by man directly by man! This is a view that stems from observations made of nature and not the word of God! If you really are a Christian user, then this man is likely a politician trying to deceive you

The word of God is found in nature.

I'm sorry, but the only way to be filled with the holy spirit is to read the bible. Man cannot make a sacrifice of man onto God. It is forbidden. He may kill in certain circumstances but he may not sacrifice.

>Ha ha, nothing ion this world matters, caring about anything is just stupid
>Not nihilism

And nothing is made directly by man

We are all bound to the throne of the Supreme Being by a flexible chain which restrains without enslaving us. The most wonderful aspect of the universal scheme of things is the action of free beings under divine guidance.


>I'm sorry, but the only way to be filled with the holy spirit is to read the bible

The only way to be filled with the holy spirit is through Christ. Stop worshiping the book like a fucking Sikh worshiping guru grand sahib