You have been tasked with completely redrawing the map of Europe, with Russia fallen to communists, The Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians and Germans beaten it's up to you to adequately dismantle their respective empires for stability, peace and long lasting prosperity. What do you do?
Basic rules: You can't fuck with non participants, no dismantlement of Spain. You can change their territory, but it needs to be agreeable to them, so say if you take the Canary Islands you need to give them a suitable amount of land back. It's pretty much too late to save Russia, the only way to ensure they stay Tsarist is to prop up a strong Germany and Austria who will defend the regime there, otherwise it's commie.
combine germany and AH into "Holy" "Roman" "Empire". Sarcasm quotes must be kept in official name, finger quotes must be used in all vocal designations (""HRE"" is an acceptable abbreviation).
ottomans cede jereselam to the Zoroastrians as an independent city state and are forced to rename istanbul back to constantinople, but otherwise no other changes
Cameron Sullivan
>You can change their territory, but it needs to be agreeable to them, so say if you take the Canary Islands you need to give them a suitable amount of land back. wew
Ethan Hill
/thread
Chase Carter
Differences:
>Let Austria join Germany, really no reason to exist without the empire and the Austrians wanted to anyway
>Trianon was a mistake
>British Mandate of Kurdistan
Zachary Fisher
>germany still exists
0/10
Samuel Peterson
I'd shatter the Ottoman Empire up and leave them to their own devices, BUT I'd take Istanbul, the Strait, and the little piece of land closer to Europe, and make it a buffer state.
Denmark would get the pieces of land below it. The Dutch would get the two closest provinces to the East of it. Belgium can take the cluster of those three pieces of land next to it. Poland comes back. Shatter Austria-Hungary. Shatter Germany.
Grayson Bennett
Create Czechoslovak-Yugoslav corridor. Displace Germans and Hungarians from the territories. Get USA to join the League of Nations. Prompt Poland and Romania to help in Russia. The Russian whites might not win, but with a more unified fight vs. the red menace the whites could stay in control of large important parts of the country. Divide Germany into 4 countries. Prussia (East Prussia) Brandenburg Rhineland Bavaria
Enforce Sèvres on Turkey. Prompt Greece and Armenia.
Form a united Arab kingdom, cucking Mr. Sykes and Mr. Picot This guy has the right idea.
David Nguyen
Modern day german and polish borders, separate czech and slovakia, but let there be some sort of cooperation thing to bolster military, bulgaria and greek independence, divide up balkans along ethnic lines and forcibly resettle serbs/bosnians/whatever the fuck if needed, give balkans, poland and finland a lot of shekels and let them arm as much as they want, don't germany completely rearm but don't give them retarded quotas, also allow them to draw up auxilary levies/conscription against commie/nazi threats. Fund the shit out of german reconstruction, tell the french to fuck off out of the ruhr, etc, generally tell the french to fuck off in return for help from USA/other allies.
Andrew Green
Fuck forgot image
Joseph Martin
Here lad my masterpiece. /thread
John Brooks
Oh also seriously bolster greece, give them istanbul if possible, and fund the shit out their army so they can resist disgusting turks. Probably make kurdistan also, and generally fuck up turkey to the point of irrelevance.
Charles Gonzalez
Remake Austria-Hungary into a kantonal confederation (which was already planned anyway) and use them as a buffer against communist Russia.
Julian Davis
Fixed
Zachary Kelly
Also I'd probably hand most of africa to ethiopia since Hailie Selassie had his shit generally together.
Eli Powell
>giving Arabs their own state You fucking retards literally never learn.
Kayden Jones
Actually could work if it was westernized, and they crushed the wahabis early on. But yeah, probably a bad idea.
Ryan Gray
better?
Also, in this ideal world all Germans are scattered to all of the Entente colonies in groups no larger than 5000 a pack. That pink blob in the Europe below Poland is Bohemia B-but my specific form of Pan-Arabism has never been tried!
Luke Gutierrez
>bohemia >in the 20th century
Lucas Young
The last 100 years are a solid proof that Arab fuck up and go full retard with every ideology possible. They fucked up with socialist dictatorships, they fucked up with democratic regimes, they fucked up with islamic theocracies, they're just one giant bucket of failure as a nation.
Kevin Lewis
Da Anglo owns Constantinople....................................................................................................
Luke Russell
Why the fuck is the Baltics, Ukraine and the Caucasus the same color? What's that the Asspain union?
Lucas White
WW2 averted, middle east clusterfuck averted
Jordan Gomez
I know GroßGermany would be antithetical to the Allies' aim of a) maintaining a proper balance of power in Europe and b) tilting the BoP against Germany's favour so that a second "Great War" doesn't occur, so just ignore it:
>United Baltic Duchy >Wendish Republic, inc. Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Galicia Lodomoria. Political and cultural capital in Prague to avoid Polish domination >Try to save Ukraine, not sure if I can touch Poland but if I could take away their Eastern territory I would give it to the Baltic Duchy, and have some sort of wackjob Balt-Ruthenian Union
>Ottoman Middle East + Cilicia combined into one large protectorate under joint French/Anglo supervision, with the exception of K*rdistan, to be either an independent state or ceded to Persia. Shiite Iraq might also go to Persia. >Greater Armenia-Georgia + whatever else of the Caucasus can be kept from (((Russia))) >Non-Armenian Azerjaiban ceded to Persia, since they already have half of it >Thrace/Western Anatolia an International Zone, to be depopulated of Muslims and ceded to Greece in the near future
>Don't really give a shit about the Balkans desu lol. >GroßCroatia >give Serbia enough northern territory so that they'll be happy enough to stop shooting up monarchs, and move Croatian Serbs there. >Move Transylvanian Vlachs East of Moldova and kick out the Ukrainians if possible, or just let them be Magyarized.
Robert Powell
>Middle East clusterfuck averted >Israel exists
Mason Martinez
>stench lines coming off of romania
Christopher Mitchell
That rectangular Serbia is aesthetic as fuck.
Brody Robinson
>Political and cultural capital in Prague to avoid Polish domination Where the capital is located would be completely irrelevant when the Poles still constitute and overwhelming absolute majority. It would end up being Russian empire 2.0 except with Poles isntead of Russians.
Jackson Green
Bohemia was only ended 50 years before Poland. If Poland got its independence after ww1 why not Based Bohemia?
>germany loses only Alsace Lorraine but gets all of fucking Austria I'm sure that wouldn't trigger the French at all
Also, history has shown that the mere existence of Germany is enough for them to perfidy the world into chaos. Making them stronger than ever would have grave consequences Think it's the Republic of Russia
Ian Cruz
>Republic of Russia >only contains non-Russian areas Hmm ...
Jason Baker
>what was the Russian Civil War Hmm...
Kayden Cruz
Not if you reduce them to serfdom, and/or use state education/propaganda to play up an artificial monocultural "Wendish" identity distinct from the Poles, ala Macedonia or Moldova.
Jacob Ortiz
Why the fuck is everyone giving Crimea to Ukraine
Landon Hernandez
You mean exactly what the Russians tried to do with their Russification?
Joshua Russell
>vast majority of the population >reduce them to serfdom Because that always worked everywhere.
Levi White
Do literally everything I could to prevent the formation of Czechoslovakia.
Wyatt Allen
It's Russia. The red is the Soviets. THe map shows russia during the civil war
Grayson White
Only other options would be giving it to the commies, which is retarded, or Greece, which is memey and ridiculous if you're giving them big chunks of Turkey which first need to be colonized, on top of Crimea itself
Yeah, 2nd times the charm. Slavs are a naturally subservient race so it should work out.
Logan Richardson
ok there, włãdiszławski
Jacob Williams
I'm an anglo. We know what's best for Europe and always have
Austin Robinson
>Bohemia gets to annex the entire fucking Bavaria for some reason Dream on Pepik.
Gavin Wood
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Jack Parker
>So many ITT don't realize the Russian civil war was a thing
Samuel Adams
I opt to contain the German autism within on nation/reservation.
Chase Wright
Not pictured: autistic half jew half asian elite that rules over germany
Jacob Howard
Perfect
Tyler Hernandez
>Moldova exists
Eli Reyes
Why are so many people letting Karelia exist as an independent state? Just give it to Finland or the USSR/Russia.
Benjamin Barnes
>the only way to ensure they stay Tsarist is to prop up a strong Germany and Austria who will defend the regime there, otherwise it's commie. >In 1919 Bitch what?!
Chase Anderson
Why are so many people letting Switzerland exists as an independent state?
Brayden Clark
>roaches have Constantinople >perfect
Andrew Baker
Why are People giving territory to the netherlands? The netherlands didnt participate in Ww1 and were trading with the germans. (the reason the British Also seablocked the dutch). It's not realistic.
> be belgium soldier > fight 4 years in Ypres defending your last territory > after the war your "allies" split you up to give 50% of your country away to a country Who didnt do shit the entire war and was pro german >tfw
Chase Nelson
Probably just an oversight, Finland is almost as irrelevant as New Zealand
Oliver Morris
Because "muh Kaufman Plan" >Kaufman's work was not satirical; it described the book as the "enshrinement of a single sensational idea." "Since Germans are the perennial disturbers of the world's peace, says the book, they must be dealt with like any homicidal criminals. But it is unnecessary to put the whole German nation to the sword. It is more humane to sterilize them." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!
Charles Myers
Fuck you rules, OP. The Entente should have done so much more to help the Whites in Russia, and this map assumes they did buts still pressured Russia into giving up some territory for stability's sake.
Of course Germany would be under total military occupation and economic control.
Mason Stewart
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Jace Collins
Here's a perfect Europe I made a while back.
Jacob Long
Because Belgium is a non-country that shouldn't exist
Asher Turner
t. /gsg/
Mason Gray
that didnt work for yugoslavia desu
John Rogers
>p*land >Slovakia missing its tip >Giving the (((Anglos))) control of Palestine >Jugoslavia >Bulgarian Adrianople >Persia isn't grosse >Morocco isn't Spanish >Italy doesn't have Somaliland, nor a land connection from Ethiopia to Libya >French Corsica, Nice, Savoy >Russian Caucasia >Turks still plague the earth
Aaron Thomas
It did work for Austria though
Dominic Hughes
cancer Yugolsavia border
Dylan Campbell
>le epic baltic union maymay
Gabriel Rivera
Deutschland ist nie zu groβ
Nathaniel Harris
OTL avoided the Baltic Union meme, and the Baltic states got swallowed up by the Soviets without anyone even batting an eye.
Adam Reed
Fuck peace
Charles Gonzalez
>Czechoslovakia exists Kill yourself.
Eli Sanchez
Best one so far, bar the fact that Albania should be independent, Italy should have some more land along the Adriatic, Bulgaria is extending north east for no fucking reason, Denmark should have land to the south as well
Connor Myers
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Grayson Davis
you realize theres millions of germans to resettle from poland, the baltics and czechia too, right?
James Lewis
Thousands and thousands of years of peace shall follow.
Grayson Lewis
>Palestine exists >Britain exists >Islam exists
Jackson Thomas
Germany unites with Austria while keeping a Sweden-Finland esque relationship with Czechia over Sudetenland, Poland gets all land with Polish majority.
Russia balkanizes into the usual Belarus and Ukraine with several ethnic states in the east. Irish-Scottish nation of Hibernia secedes from the UK. The Lowlands federalizes. The Nordics federalize. The Baltics get self determination. All those little spots of ethnic minorities goes back to their respective countries. Basque independence from both France and Spain. Hungary dismantled as usual.
Caleb Price
>Germany doesn't exist Hey, I have covered 99.9% of all the evil in this world.
Carter Harris
t. muslim anglo with a jewish grandparent
Hunter Green
fucking hell, this board really is /pol/ just with dates and maps
Ethan Myers
>During a meeting with a delegation of distinguished Arab figures, Hitler learned of how Islam motivated the Umayyad Caliphate during the Islamic conquest of Gaul and was now convinced that "the world would be Mohammedan today" if the Arab regime had successfully taken France during the Battle of Tours,[231] while also suggesting to Speer that "ultimately not Arabs, but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."[231] Hitler said that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament."[232]According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[231]
/pol/ really is controlled opposition
Jayden Sullivan
see
Brayden Green
a part of world peace is a place to store your dosh
Isaac Miller
Why'd you bring up Hitler? I never said he, nor Germans as a whole, was perfect, and this thread is about WW1. You should stop assuming viewpoints no one has stated, user.
Owen Gutierrez
You mean /int/ you idiot. /pol/ isn't anywhere this bad
Brody Rodriguez
But istanbul was still officially called Konstantiniyye until 1935.
Nicholas Moore
Becase they didn't participate in WWI baka
Jacob Williams
>Enforce Sèvres on Turkey how?
Charles Gomez
>Giving Istanbul to the Greeks
Fuck off, they lost it 500 years prior
Jonathan Martin
All German Colonies --> Britain Great powers alliance to take down the USSR Tyrol --> Italy Serbia/Romania get bits of Hungary Denmark gets back its turf Istanbul and Rumelia --> Greece Alsace-Lorraine --> France Ottomans get most of the Middle East, monarchy survives Some reparations from Germany but nothing like Versailles treaty
Julian James
>all these people who non ironically hate Germany and think the Allies of WWI and WWII were the good guys
You need to go back. Even your meme picture is full of factual errors.
Austin Garcia
le Matrix mêmê amirite KUCK
Ryan Collins
Here you idiots
Oliver Martin
>Germany was still bankrupt in 1933 No, the reparations and debts were essentially cleared after the Great Depression, Weimar was on its way to recovery.
Hitler's entire economy was based on a multitude of loans that, had not war broken out as planned, would've killed the country again. The unemployment thing also was essentially a lie due to the fact the statistics report much higher figures due to the semi-conscription taking place, allowing Hitler to claim everyone had a job. If he cared for his people he wouldn't declared wouldn't have declared a jingoist war against the rest of the world.
Xavier Brooks
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Wyatt Rivera
last time someone tried to invade Switzerland, they had to release it after 3 years of turmoil and publicly admit it was a mistake Leaving Switzerland alone is of vital importance for the stability of Europe
Isaiah Ortiz
You do realize that the Greeks are now a minority in their own country, right?
Eli Ramirez
Belgium suffered more economically from the WWI aftermath than Germany that little fact alone means the Germans didn't get punished near sufficiently
Xavier Howard
>doesn't know that it was still called constantinople
Do you even History?
Luke Jackson
Here I fixed Yurp
Adam Johnson
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Elijah Fisher
I'd want to try to preserve the Austro-Hungarian Empire in some fashion, but it's far too late.
I can't even force the Slavs to accept being Hungarian as they're all busy slaughtering each other.
Fuck it all, try to create a Transleithanian Empire.
