Do we have the right to colonise other planets? Shouldn't we better limit our population, and/or suppress our species?

Fuck Mars, colonise Uranus.

start by killing yourself, locust

Life is destructive. Any physical process is destructive. Entropy touches everything.

Rape and mudering should be legal.

Try to act like it is and our majority-backed monopoly on violence will restrain and punish you.

This is truly the final stage of cuckoldry.

>Shouldn't we better limit our population, and/or suppress our species?

The literal biological imperative of every living creature from amoebae to mankind is to consume and reproduce.

The idea that we should follow any course but the one that best facilitates the maximum expansion of our species is simply counter to our very nature. That, obviously, means not poisoning our own planet, or any others, to an extent that inhibits our growth, but it absolutely means we will colonise any planet that can support our existence. This isn't even a matter of 'should', it's a matter of 'could'; if we can colonise other planets, we will, just as no amount of pity for the natives or love of pristine vistas could stop manifest destiny.

We have as much right to do anything as we have force to do it. If someone doesn't want their planet colonised, they'd better be able to fight us off. If someone wishes to colonise Earth, and we are unable to fight them off, then we deserve to be colonised, as anyone who would justly resist would already be dead and the earth would be empty of all worthy men.

This: is not an argument.

Humanity's destructive nature is not bad, as it is not good, it is universal, natural neutral. We destroy, we consume, as every other living creature, all the way to creatures not living, such as viruses, and natural process such as stars themselves. We are just better at it than anything we have thus far met.

We have as much right to colonise planets and consume their resources as stars have to turn hydrogen into helium. Would you tell a star to stop destroying the poor innocent hydrogen atoms?

manifest destiny motherfucker

i don't have a 'spook' image large enough to describe this
holy fuck

>Wanting to overpopulate the only known planet with complex life instead of sequestering humans on barren rocks

*tips social darwinist hat*

Humanity is at this moment literally the only hope for earth's life to survive the sun's death.
The minute we successfully establish a biosphere on a planet outside the Sol system is the minute we become literally the single most important species in our planet's history.

Colonization isn't just our right, it is our duty and purpose.

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The only peace the universe can know is when islam spreads to all sections of it. Of course we must colonize.

Our destiny is to go to space, make mobile suits, wage a one year war where we fuck up the earth by dropping colonies on it, then have several more wars between space humans and earth humans, and then evolve to get over this.

>lets all kill ourselves so we dont harm a giant rock

you're going to have to explain your logic here

What's wrong with colonizing Mars?

It's empty

>muh humans are parasites
>muh mother nature vs human meddling

It's not only our right but our duty to ensure the survival of the human race, a rock could destroy everything we have ever done, a sapient species shouldn't limit themselves to one planet.

What the fuck is there to actually ruin on Mars? The only thing humanity could do is actually improve the planet.

Destructive of what?

There are no other civilizations in our solar system, so don't even try to draw a comparison between colonizing Mars and the colonization of the Americas.

We have the right to exist. We do not need to feel ashamed for our existence.

I think the reason you are seeing posts indicating a lack of sympathy for us spreading our civilization is because you are seeing a lack of belief in the current regime as it stands. That's why you get an overwhelming amount of threads making fun of democracy, because democracy has existed for thousands of years and people willingly dedicated themselves to other systems of government that were more stable.

Many people seem to think our civilization, government, economy, and philosophy towards life is headed in a positive direction. IF there is other life out there, God would have made them aware of his existence as he has with us. But the systemic issues of our civilization should be cleansed before we start thinking about trying to send a message before we can even start to send a message coherently positive.

The colonization of uninhabited planets is 100% fine. If there's no life there, life is bound to arrive somehow; it may as well be humans. Controlling the population is easier said than done and would require some CCP-tier shit. It's much better that humans colonize other planets in case something happens to Earth.

>Learn from war.

We didn't learned anything of value (about human coexistence) in all our history. Why now?

The universe already belongs to Humanity.

We just haven't moved in yet.

If there are squatters, we kick them out.

Simple.

War is what we are.

We'd still be living as hunter-gatherers if not for war.

Once our souls are no longer weighed down by gravity all will become clear.

>Largest nations in human existence with the highest standards of living ever known in human existence
>relationships spanning the globe which were unheard of previously
>WE JUST LEARN NOTHING

K Y S

Would you really say we live in enlightened times? The superpowers shit on smaller countries as they please and human dignity is still subordinate to economic growth.

Isn't that a consequence of domination? North America and China abuse everyone. Europe is quiet because it's under the control of the superpowers. And 3rd world countries are fucked and looted by everybody.

Nobody learned anything. Everybody still lying, stealing and killing.

As enlightened as we've ever been. Just because you've normalised it and then applied another tier of "enlightenment" doesn't make it not so.

Still pretty fucking comfy friend. Hell we're communicating via a modern great wonder across the globe using an ancient language discussing space magic and our ancient to modern cultures. Pretty awesome eh?

You say enlightened as we've ever been but just before you were acting like we were better. Aside from dying of fewer diseases what are tangible benefits to living now over 500 years ago? Don't say the internet, I'd nuke it if I could.

I have the right but other humans do not.

note: my star empire will follow any moral rules and values you set out perfectly so you cannot claim I am immoral or undeserving

>we're communicating via a modern great wonder across the globe
>the internet

Besides of having the greatest library in the world, full of knowledge and experience, most people only use it for Facebook and similar social interaction or porn.
youtube.com/watch?v=8ZmFEFO72gA

What I get out of the internet as far as reading goes right now I could mostly get out of a conventional library. All it really does is distract me and make me angry. Widespread literacy is nice but also unfortunately not used to much effect by most people.

>aside from these massive benefits what ELSE has happened? Hah check mate.

Seriously though, the interaction of all the greatest minds across the globe is one.

>most people only use it for Facebook and similar social interaction or porn.

Wew that's demonstrably not true but even if it were, the contribution is still there and humanity is better for it.

So are there people who actually believe society to be worse/as good as it was 500 years ago unironically? Because wew, that's some heavy normalisation.

>interaction of all the greatest minds across the globe is one
Has this really gotten us anything? Direct discourse doesn't seem too common and I can't think of any major revelations that have come of it.

>humanity is better for it
Not sure if magnifying our social chicken coop is positive. The bigger the masses, more stupid they are. Right now we're having people in jail for talking shit through twitter. In a normal conversation nobody would gave a fuck, but now seems that everybody is hypersensitive regarding feelings.

Stop it, you're making the rest of us look bad

Look up any scientific discovery that would be conisdered "life-changing". Look at who discovered it. Look at where they studied and who they communicated with to get to the level they were at when they made that discovery.

Look at an object in your home and trace back 1)when it was first invented, by who and where and 2)what it's made from, who discovered that, from where was that person from and 3)where the materials to create it came from, who discovered that, from where was that person from.

Think about your language, where it came from, what happened along the way to get it to where it is today.

It goes on and on and on. You've just normalised these achievements.

TL;DR It's gotten us everything you have ever known.

What do I have in my house to be truly grateful for? The tv that blasts bullshit into my eyes, the computer that makes me angry and wastes my time, the fridge which keeps my shitty food preserved, my car which I have to spend 90 minutes a day inside?

Well I personally am grateful for my tv which offers entertainment and give me pleasure, my computer that allows me to speak with my friends face to face in Russia and help me study thousands of pages of literature with ease, my fridge which allows me to keep fresh foods without having to heavily preserve them and my car which allowed me to work in forestry the otherside of the country instead of a factory where my family had worked previously.

I'm grateful for the expertly engineered bricks that made my house so that strong winds that are native to the area don't destory my shelter in a storm so I can drink my tea in peace with my wife who I met in Bulgeria on holiday whilst watching a documentary about frogs on the TV.

I don't watch tv, my computer makes me miserable and as far as communication goes I prefer to just talk or read. All of these things are solutions to problems created by globalizations, and the problems that come with them everyone just seems to want to solve with further globalization.

Correct me, please. I'd prefer not to look stupid.

There are bigger things at stake here that internet slapfights between pink-haired hambeasts and neckbeards. Delet ur identity politics post.

Just because YOU don't use or benefit from those things (you obviously do but let's assume you don't) doesn't mean they're worthless.

I benefitted massively from them. I watch TV and my computer makes me happy. I like to talk and read too, but I also like to face to face chat online. I like to play games and communicate via voice with the other players.

Also storms and distance are not created by globalisatiion chief. Come on now.

Would someone like you have been incapable of hapiness before tvs and computers? Are talking and reading recent inventions? Games, talking again? And distance is created by globalization for sure. What reason would you have had to care about other countries in a non-globalized world?

>this thread

>Would someone like you have been incapable of hapiness before tvs and computers?

Obviously I was but so what? It brings me happiness because it enhances my life read: easy access to information).

>Are talking and reading recent inventions?

In the grand scheme of things yes. That's you normalised a grand human achievement again.

>Games, talking again?

Yep.

>And distance is created by globalization for sure.

No it isn't. A personal with a natural drive and or talent for fishing who lives in the desert isn't gonna be a fisher man. Yeah yeah if he doesn't know about fishing he won't want to fish but his superlative talent is lost due to his ignorance of the world. A benefit to humanity was lost due to ignorance.

>What reason would you have had to care about other countries in a non-globalized world?

If I don't know about them none but so what? If no one lived past 16 due to a disease I wouldn't now that a life beyond 16 existed until some one from another tribe came along and when "woah shit you're all dying at 16, I'm 40, here a drink this ebbry day, oh shit look it cures you, now you can actually invent reading and writing."

>ignorance is so cool
Why don't you trepane yourself and go live in a forest

Do you all see the difference between these two posts? One is somebody that is braindead with no intelligence, and the other is someone who is pissed off at the current state of society.

I see the braindead one, but the other guy seems pretty content.

>you will never start an anarcho-syndicalist colony on a new planet

A nice brainwashing tends to do that

>Do we have the right
We have a fucking responsibility you goddamn communist. We must secure the existence of our doggos and a future for based puppers. Do you want to be the one that sees dogs go extinct on this tomb of a world?

You're SO smart user. SO smart. Way smarter than all those SHEEPS

>this

>tfw dogs will explore the galaxy with us

Do you think aliens have best friend species that they uplift to the stars simply because they love them?

I'd bet on it. It seems that domestication is a pretty straightforward thing that would massively benefit any sufficiently advanced civilization/species. Seems logical that they could make the leap from cattle to dogs(or the other way around since dogs were domesticated first) in whatever form those animals take on their homeworld. They may not have the equivalent of pugs because they never settled down and brought the pets into the family like has been done more and more recently in the west, but dogs have been man's best friend for longer than they've been lapdogs.

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You do realise that by saying 'but don't say x' you've already successfully countered your own point. You can't invalidate a perfectly good point by using that phrase.

t. Marvin the Martian

Seriously though. Yes. If we undertook a challenge like colonizing Mars despite the lack of short term material gains it would teach us a lot, ironically it would help us solve the problems on Earth people think we need to solve first. I am inclined against pointless government spending but I think we should do it.

Of course you don't really care about all that. All the PETA, anti-natalist and "dude, humans are a disease like Agent Smith said in the Matrix! lmao xD" posters are basically looking for excuses to scold people and search for every tiny imperfection as an excuse.

In a way I agree though. Humans are shit. We plough every field when we should leave most of them fallow. We contribute to soil salination. We drained the Aral sea. We overfish. Humans commit many "sins". I agree that this should be deterred.

However if we were utterly incapable of supporting a sustainable economy we would have gone back to being hunter gatherers some time during the 1000s of years we had agriculture. We have also discovered ways to control soil salinity and things. Humans are not evil, we are imperfect, like everything else in the universe, including "mother nature". If you have difficulty handling imperfection and think every tiny mistake should be ruthlessly punished you are kind of like that neurotic cunt teacher who screamed at kids for acting like kids and probably became a teacher for that purpose.

Also humans are individuals not a collective blob and some might have the right even if others do not and there is nothing exceptional about Mars that might make it immoral or blasphemous to go there and leave a few lifeless rocks out of place so I am not sure what rights you are referring to.

Also DOGGOS

The only response befitting these posts is as thus:

CUUUUUCK

there would be no doggos without humans

you earn the right if you are capable to go to other planets and survive

>overpopulation
>not a 70s meme

youtu.be/QsBT5EQt348

Since there's still houses and agriculture and people alive I'd argue we're more constructive than destructive

>but muh untouched nature

what the fuck is this thread? What is going on?

we have a manifest destiny to reach out and touch the cosmos. We must recreate all we can in our image!

damn that is a really good image

fpbp

how old are you? Do not lose hope for it is very much a possibility!

I think humanity can learn from its mistakes, given enough time. 5000 years of known history is nothing.

Should we colonize other planets? I don't know, depends on what we found outside our solar system. But should we explore the Universe? Definitely. We always explored what was beyond our frontiers, because we are curious and we crave for more knowledge.

You can do both...

But this biosphere only has so much time in it, with or without us on it. We're the only creatures who have developed a shadow of a chance to carry on the story of Life on Earth beyond its cradle, so yes, not only do we have the right - we have the duty. Not only to ourselves, and to our posterity, but to all those who came before us, be they human or animal.

Life expands, life spreads, life adapts, life finds a way. We are the current embodiment of that way.

Try and stop us you hippy fuck

Daily reminder hippies wrote sci-fi abd pushed I.T and other sciences.

>god
LOL

That's right, yes, the creator of life. He would have created life on other planets IF it exists.

It's not a right, it's a privilege.

somebody likes rush

The thought that humans shouldn't colonize other planets because of how much we've fucked up this one is completely retarded. That's the same logic as libtards who want to kill all white people because we've fucked everything up.

So did plenty of conservatives

>limit our population, and/or suppress our species?
you can start killing yourself, what's stoping you?

why don't you start by offing yourself?

>implying Heinlein was a hippy

In what way have white people fucked anything up? They are the single greatest contributors to human species.

>Shouldn't we better limit our population

Yes. That's why I advocate for encouraging white births to help move space exploration forward, while at the same time population control in non-white countries so as not to drown the planet in poverty, disease, and low-IQs before humanity can reach the stars.