ITT Post civilizations wiped out by Muslim barbarians

ITT Post civilizations wiped out by Muslim barbarians

The Sogdians fell to the Islamic dark ages over Asia.

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Sogdians were proto-jews so no big loss

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The pity is the region never fully recovered. The Arabs and Mongols completely destroyed any chance of having a real civilization between the Caspian Sea and the Pamir mountains, even though it was a cradle of civilization.

They were a crucial part of the Silk Road trade, it's a pity they became a casualty of history

But wasn't Sogdia one of the most consistently prosperous and influential parts of the Islamic world?

The region remained prosperous for some time more, but the people and culture were wiped out. After the Mongols razed all of that region from Khwarazm to Bactria the civilization-aspect never quite caught up.

What happened to Egypt between the fall of the Roman empire and the Muslim conquest? Did they still practiced ancient egyptians mythology? Did the ancient egyptian race got wiped out or outbreeded by the arabs?

The people weren't wiped out, they just became Persianised, and much of their culture was adopted in the Islam. For example, their style of painting influenced wall painting in the wider Eastern Islamic world and eventually gave rise to the miniatures of the late Abbasid period. Under the Samanids and later Turkic dynasties the region was one of the most important intellectual centers of the Islamic world, producing the likes of Avicenna.

The Mongols didn't undo the region's prosperity either; they were initially destructive but unlike their cousins in Iran they implemented positive economic and infrastructural policies which largely returned it to its former prosperity within a century, and later the region would flourish under the late medieval Timurids and the early modern Uzbeks. A regional dynasty would also go on to conquer India.

The fall of the Roman empire in Egypt was the Muslim conquest. They were mostly Coptic Christians, though some aspects of Egyptian religion survived and apparently later influenced the rise of Sufism.

The Timurids did not have a well-administered Empire. There was a reason why Babur's rule was diminished to Afghanistan by the period before the Moghul conquest of northern India and the formation of the Mughal empire.

The people were quite wiped out. They hypothesize some genetic descendants might remain in Tajikistan.

Egyptian (and Roman) paganism was long dead when the Muslims arrived. At that point, the populace was thoroughly Christianized.

Modern Egyptians are of Semitic stock, and roughly the same as the Ancient Egyptians.

>The Timurids did not have a well-administered Empire
Neither did the Sogdians. They were split into a bunch of competing principalities. The Timurids didn't last long as a unified empire, but under their rule Sogdia and Samarkand became one of the world's most influential and prosperous regions and a center for the arts and architecture. And even as Islamic science fell into decline it was briefly revived under Ulugh Beg, who built what was the world's most advanced observatory.

>The people were quite wiped out. They hypothesize some genetic descendants might remain in Tajikistan
I think you're confusing language with genetics. The Arabs, Turks, Persians and Mongols didn't wipe out the native Sogdians. The Arabs conquered and introduced Islam to the region before the Persian Samanids took power. Native language and religion slowly died out as Islam and Persian took over. Various Turkic and Mongol dynasties ruled the region over the centuries, resulting in the elite language varying over time while the sedentary majority remained Persian ('Tajik') speaking until its gradual replacement by the modern Uzbek language after the 16th century. At no point was the native population 'wiped out'.

This, they're Coptic Christians like parts of Ethiopia

Early muslims were good astronomers, mathematicians etc, but what happenned?
Now they are dumbfucks who are becoming extremists.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana#Umayyad.E2.80.93Turgesh_Wars

They got genocided by the Arabs. And if there was any doubt about that the people who replaced them got genocided by the Mongols. Pretending 'Persians', including Tajiks, are the same people they were in 600 AD is pretty much a joke too, btw.

The whole region got the same treatment of being conquered by Arab barbarians and then Mongol barbarians, having their cultures wiped out by Muslim iconoclasts, and the local population diaspora'd/massacred/bred out.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogdia#Diaspora_areas

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaghnobi_people

There are literally 2500 of them left. Take your carebear interpretation of history back to the lecture hall.

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Sogdia was literally better at farming than the people who live there today. They were absolutely decimated by Islam and Mongols.

This is Veeky Forums not /b/. You can talk without infantile personal abuse here.

>infantile
If you can't handle confrontation get off the internet.
>Getting so shitter-shattered about being accused of having a 'carebear interpretation of history' that you accuse someone of using 'infantile personal abuse'

>Egyptian (and Roman) paganism was long dead when the Muslims arrived. At that point, the populace was thoroughly Christianized.

Why the hell do people still believe this? Paganism was mostly gone by the early 7th century, sure, but it was still present in small numbers all across the former Roman world. It wasn't a spent force until a good century after the Arab conquests.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana#Umayyad.E2.80.93Turgesh_Wars
>They got genocided by the Arabs.
I don't see anything to support this in the article.

Non sequitur. Please bring proofs these people underwent genocide.

You just fucking said paganism was largely gone.

And you're mad that he said the same thing, do you have a point?

You are still confusing language with genetics.

I'm not the same person. Again, this isn't /b/. If you have nothing to contribute go elsewhere.

>You don't like one thing I said
>I must have nothing to contribute

What a faggot. You are the one with nothing to contribute, derailing the thread by making it about candor instead of about content.

youtube.com/watch?v=mal2jdYcXG4&index=11&list=PLdwCuEoZ_6l7FvbsfjidxMIybBrF5jnb5

Soghds were wiped out.

"Sogdian blood and sogdian language have vanished from Central Asia among the turbulent history of ceaseless wars. In the 8th century, the Soghds abandoned their lands under the Arab assaults and attempted to escape into the mountains."

>tv documentaries are a credible source

The early Muslims you talk about were the populations of assyrian and Persian dhimmis living under muslim rule, the actual Muslims at the time were illiterate warlords ruling over the remnants of pre-Islamic civilizations.

Truly sad, desu. They were a huge source of culture for pretty much all of Central Asia.

>tfw you will never drink rice wine with your Uyghur bros in a caravanserai alongside your pipa-playing green eyed Sogdian waifu

It actually hurts.

Everyone should read Life Along the Silk Road by Susan Whitfield. It is extremely comfy, and gives you a nice glimpse of life on the Silk Road from around the early 7th century to the 10th century, which is precisely the timeframe that most fascinates me. Idk how reliable the scholarship is but in terms of transporting you to another time it really does succeed.

You are talking about the muslims that came after the early muslims. What happened was that Islam got purified again after the syncretic schools grip on power got utterly fucked by the mongols.

>There are only 2500 of a certain culture group left
>This means they underwent genocide rather than assimilation which has happened all throughout history

Veeky Forums was a mistake and it is filled with wikipedia warriors

Not him, but using wikipedia as a source is in fact a source. His article also includes multiple sources

I've seen 4 times people refute his argument based off of his claims not being authentic enough and 0 times has someone provided any source that contradict what he's saying. Just childish shit like calling people wikipedia warriors.

>Implying forced assimilation isn't just a form of genocide.

>All TV documentaries are the same
>If it's not on paper, it's not true

>It's a conquest = population replacement episode

I stopped getting angry when I realized most of these faggots are trolls or butthurt about X group

It actually was population replacement, though. Keep in mind this happened ca. 800 when that was probably the norm in this region.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaghnobi_people
No point in the article does it say the Yaghnobis were genocided. The only place it even hints to it doesn't have a source. The only detail it goes into about persecution is when the Commies purged them or something. The damn Yaghnobis are cunting Muslims themselves.

It's a shit source.

It actually wasn't though. Mass genocide & colonization is difficult, even presupposing everyone is a cartoon villain bent on destroying X country beyond any reason and common sense.

They didn't wholesale kill them. They did come in and kill a lot of them and probably liberally raped the women and brought in people from other parts of the Caliphate and generally displaced the locals.

>probably
user, you should keep your mass rape fantasies to yourself.

Poor trans people
If SJWs heard of that they'd stop supporting muslims

>mass rape didn't commonly happen after wars in this era

ok

western civilization is a plague on humanity. it is the greatest destroyer of true culture, history and identity. it replaces all truth with a superficial facsimile of it. western civilization is the enemy of truth itself. the fact that the parasite species accuses its intended victim of having done what it has done over and over again is by now a pattern. no arab army ever rules in the area of the sogdians. these people were always under the infulence of persian empire/culture and they spoke eastern iranic langauges. btw, the pashtuns of afghanistan also speak an eastern iranic language. the pashtuns also contain many tribes that were pushed in by the invading mongols. i am surprised to find people talking about central asian nomadic war making peoples as being some victims when these people often invaded and/or migrated to other areas. what is even more absurd is the anglo saxon behavior of taking words as meaning in them self. just because people say that arabs conquered and people say that mongols conquered does not mean that they both did the same thing. to the superficial vain slave races of the west the word conquered/conquest is enough to presume a genocide/ethnic cleansing/ forced assimilation etc. this is simply a consequence of the vain slave race mind that takes words/sounds as meaning in themselves. words are nothing but sound that point to meaning. the meaning is determined by context. words are not meaning, they point to meaning, faggot.

you scum always accuse you victims of having done what you have done and of doing what you are doing. therefore, it follows that what you accuse your victims of wanting to do is what you want to do to them. you are a palgue on humanity. a parasite filth that carries the nation state disease in its belly and spreads it around like the virus that you are.

western civilization is the greatest destroyer of culture, history, values, identity. you have convinced yourself that the very concept called truth does not exist

Post genetic data or fuck off