Hitler's economic miracle got Germany out from the great depression...

>implying Weimar Germany hadn't fully recovered from the treaty of Versailles already

>implying they had

>Which is about three years after he gained power?

it takes at least a little time to run the economy into the ground.

>What about muh treaty of Versailles? Surely that also caused economic hardship.

What about it? They had stopped making reparation payments, Schact (or however you spell his name) had guided the economy back into growth levels and the inflation had stopped, all before Hitler took power. It is entirely his fault, or at least the fault of the bumbling fools he put into positions of power.

OP,

youtube.com/watch?v=Sah_Xni-gtg

>this meme

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjalmar_Schacht

>Be hitler

>Be given charge of 2017 USA to "fix" economy

>Create social safety net for all English-speaking (preferably white) Americans

>Hugely increase military spending to get unemployment down to zero

>"Oh no, what do you mean we don't have money to pay for all of this? Ficking Jews."

>Demand Canada join the US to steal their resources and GDP to pay for all the shit were spending on

>Give all Anglo Canadians all the same rights as Americans, they're the same nation now

>"What do you mean Canada didn't contain enough money to pay for all of this? Ficking Jews."

>invade all of central and South America to steal their resources and use the spics for slave labor

>"What do you mean the entire world declared world on us and nuked us thousands of times? Ficking Jews."

>1488 gas the kikes for good measure

economic genius right guys

At least there would be no more Jews.

Canada is weird. Even though there's no other country we're probably more compatible with than America, we would never ever submit to American rule or annexation without a giant war breaking out.

And America is already stealing our resources thanks to NAFTA. Except for lumber I think.

All anybody would have to do is just pour money into Hollywood. Canadians eat up American entertainment like Americans eat burgers.

kek

>Ficking

God shut the FUCK up you autistic FAGGOT

No, he couldn't because the international bankers wouldn't allow it to happen. This international clique is in charge of producing currencies and has full control over it, making currency a debt in itself with interest and all. Every dollar, euro, whatever emmited is a loan to the state and by extension, the people.
Hitler just got out of this system for his own which is a currency backed by work and production rather than a fiat currency that is loaned to the state. And he managed that only using bargain based system for his import/export.

There WAS a German miracle and it was because of the exit of the international banking system and the war against Hitler was wanted for this very reason. Nationalism is the worst ennemy of international banking because it gives the control of currency back to the state and its people.

Do people even believe this shit meme?

>Hitler just got out of this system for his own which is a currency backed by work and production rather than a fiat currency that is loaned to the state.
Wasn't that the idea of Gottfried Feder that was replaced by Hjalmar Schacht after like a month?

Are you retarded?

The Reichsmark was based on the gold standard. That's why they seized so many of their political prisoner's gold so that they could boost the value of their currency. Where are you getting this load about escaping the international banking system or it being based on work and production? It was deliberately manipulated by the Reichsbank to inflate beyond it's proper value to assist with German rearmament.

The food and material shortages of WWII (instead of surpluses had their currency been worth anything to the outside world) this garnered showed that it was not this economic miracle. Nor is this any kind of economic pattern to be emulated should you wish to grow an economy in a stable and exponential fashion.

>Do people even believe this shit meme?
It's not a meme, it's the reason for WW2. It's the reason Gaddafi was put down too, because of gold dinnar, it's the reason JFK was killed (executive order 11110) , it's the reason Lincoln was killed (greenback dollar) and the reason Jackson had so many assassination attempts. It's not a meme at all, there is a banking cartel defending its interest and using the western governments for that.

>Wasn't that the idea of Gottfried Feder that was replaced by Hjalmar Schacht after like a month?
Hitler's government/state issued debt free currency, when most other central banks loaned (and still loan) currency to the state. Loans make you pay interest and it's a vicious circle, you have to pay interest and then have to take other loans, or emit liquidity which are loaned with interest in the current system.
In Hitler state, it stated that "for every mark issued, [they] required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done, or goods produced", which means the state would emmit currency in accordance to economic growth and not from a loan-system currency type. The german governments paid its workers in certificates which let you buy stuffs. This is how he funded the autobahn and it's a great system to kickstart economy, thus the economical miracle, which was possible with this type of currency. It has a snowball effect on all of economy and make it grow. The growth is slower than with loaned-based currency but is more stable and financial crisis of debt based economy wouldn't be likely to happen in germany. As long as german products, services and more generally exports would be great, german economy would be safe. Back then, only with an international bargain exchange system, hitler managed to make the country rich because german products interested other countries that would trade for them.

The reischmark wasn't gold backed nor based on the gold standard and it's the exact reason germany had to use a bargain system for exchange, because reischmark couldn't be redeemed for gold, unlike other currencies.

>it stated that "for every mark issued, [they] required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done, or goods produced"
Where is this stated?

And have you ever heard about a little thing called mefo bills? The very thing that actually funded German rearmament? It was essentially a second currency which helped to control inflation.

>it's the reason for WW2
The reason for WW2 is German invasion of Poland.

Where are you getting this information from?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbank

>The seizure and consolidation of power by the Nazis during the years of the Third Reich also greatly affected the Reichsbank. A 1937 law re-established the Reich government's control of the Reichsbank, and in 1939, the Reichsbank was renamed the Deutsche Reichsbank and placed under the direct control of Adolf Hitler, with Walther Funk as the last president of the Reichsbank, from 1939 to 1945. The bank benefited by the theft of the property of numerous governments invaded by the Germans, especially their gold reserves and much personal property of the Third Reich's many victims, especially the Jews. Personal possessions such as gold wedding rings were confiscated from prisoners, and gold teeth torn from dead bodies, and after cleaning, were deposited in the bank under the false-name Max Heiliger accounts, and melted down as bullion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEFO
>After assuming power in 1933, during 1935 the National Socialists realised that re-arming Germany would require funds that were not likely to be generated from taxes or public loans. In addition, the need to keep the rearmament effort secret led to the creation of this dummy company.
>not generated form taxes
>literally made up money
>This system continued to be used until April 1938, when almost 12 billion Reichsmark of bills were outstanding. At that time the first of these bills, which were guaranteed for five years, would come due in 1939 when the holders would likely present them to the Reichsbank for payment.

>This method of financing enabled the Nazi government to obtain large loans from the Reichsbank which was prohibited under then existing statutes. Direct lending to the Government by the Reichsbank had been limited by statute to 100 million Reichsmark.

>It's not a meme, it's the reason for WW2. It's the reason Gaddafi was put down too, because of gold dinnar, it's the reason JFK was killed (executive order 11110) , it's the reason Lincoln was killed (greenback dollar) and the reason Jackson had so many assassination attempts. It's not a meme at all, there is a banking cartel defending its interest and using the western governments for that.
Cool story. Now that Tom Clancy's dead maybe you can fill in.

>Loans make you pay interest and it's a vicious circle, you have to pay interest and then have to take other loans, or emit liquidity which are loaned with interest in the current system.

Or you just have a system like Scotland or Canada where you refuse high risk loans unless guaranteed by your assets in case you can't pay in cash. Interest is supposed to encourage rapid repayment and efficient economic development.

>In Hitler state, it stated that "for every mark issued, [they] required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done, or goods produced", which means the state would emmit currency in accordance to economic growth and not from a loan-system currency type.

So he printed money. That's hyperinflation faux pas 101. And surprise surprise, guess what happened?

>Between 1933 and 1939 the total revenue amounted to 62 billion marks, whereas expenditure (at times comprising up to 60% rearmament costs) exceeded 101 billion, thus causing a huge deficit and national debt (reaching 38 billion marks in 1939 and coinciding with Kristallnacht [November 1938] and with intensified persecutions of Jews and the outbreak of World War II.)

If it was the stable economic miracle then he could have just sat back and let the economy grow and grow. But it wasn't because it was all a shadow puppet show to rebuild the German army and use it to hopefully stabilize the economy.

>Where is this stated?
Hitler told that in a speech. He said "We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank." It is quoted from Veith, Citadels of Chaos (1949) which is quoting Hitler.

Yes, I have heard of mefo bills, it was a system that could hide the military policy from the international eyes and also that allowed german state to buy weapons without debt. It's shaddy though, but at this time Germany wasn't allowed a big army. It's the same system of payment as worker certificate in its principle, except in this case it was for weapon industry rather than the autobahn workers.

>The reason for WW2 is German invasion of Poland.
No, it's the excuse, the reason was the german miracle and its debt free currency. It's like saying Irak was invaded because of mass destruction weapons which we now know never existed. Even if it was lies in the end, it was the excuse used for an invasion of irak, the actual reason was putting Saddam down.
National socialist views of the international bankers could have spread to other countries which would have broke free from this currency system.

>Where are you getting this information from?
What information ? It's from Citadels of Chaos of Veidt.

Sure. He dedicates the whole Earth's economy to producing weapons and declares war on several nearby alien civilizations who mop the floor with him. The Earth is consequently partitioned between two alien blocks until one collapses and the Earth finally becomes relevant again.

>Cool story. Now that Tom Clancy's dead maybe you can fill in.
Look at the facts, all these people have in common that they did something against debt-based currency.

>Interest is supposed to encourage rapid repayment and efficient economic development.
Not in case of state contracted debt. Most countries have debt they will never pay back and it feeds international bankers with interests. Plus every currency created is a loan to the state so it only increases interest. It's a usury based system that is bad for the state and the people and it's made to feed banks with interest. It's the reason Ron Paul have been wanting an audit of the federal reserve for so long, because the system is made to fuck over the people.

>So he printed money.
For every mark printed is required the same worth of work done or value produced. It means he printed money at the same rate of economic growth, also most of the "money" were workers certificate that could be exchanged for commodities. It was an excellent way to kickstart the economy while modernizing his infrastructures at the same time.

>guess what happened?
Yeah, the international bankers wanted hitler out and germany on its knees for going against their racket.

>If it was the stable economic miracle then he could have just sat back and let the economy grow and grow.
Germany had an international boycott and couldn't trade their currency for gold so they had to trade goods directly in a bargain fashion. German goods exported despite these measures against germany. And Hitler rebuilt his army because he knew germany wouldn't be treated fairly on the international scene, but also because there was soviet union at the east and it would have been stupid not rebuild his army with the soviet beast right in the neighbourhood. Without hitler, even in his defeat, all of europe would have been soviet.

>No, it's the excuse
That's complete nonsense. Why didn't they attack Germany when they remilitarized Rhineland? That was strictly against the Treaty of Versailles? Germany was weak back then and Poland and France alone could easily stop it.

>Hitler's speech
That's hardly a source. What about some actual laws?

i dont see anything wrong here

>No, it's the excuse, the reason was the german miracle and its debt free currency.
I honestly think people like you should be send to reeducation camps.

>Why didn't they attack Germany when they remilitarized Rhineland?
Because it was the great depression in Europe. Other countries were weak too, particularly France which would have been the one supposed to opposed rheinland remilitarization.

>That's hardly a source. What about some actual laws?
I gave you the source, it's Citadels of Chaos which is from 1949 and explains the whole thing very well. There are also a lot of economic books about the economy of the thirties. The work certificates existed.

Yeah whatever.

>Look at the facts
Coincidence =/= correlation

>Plus every currency created is a loan to the state so it only increases interest.
No, most money is a government backed guarantee that the currency is valued at what it says it is. And money will always inflate regardless as long as you have a positive population growth. More people = more money floating around = more of something makes it worth less

>It means he printed money at the same rate of economic growth
Except there was no growth because you said yourself it's based on equal work and worth being done meaning it doesn't appreciate. Where is this economic growth that didn't result in food shortages in 1939? Why did the Nazi party limit food for this supposedly miraculous economy that was growing everywhere except in feeding, clothing, and medicating their people?

>Yeah, the international bankers wanted hitler out and germany on its knees for going against their racket.
International bankers sure seemed to make sure Henry Ford's donations to the Nazi party got through alright though. And IBM, a company based in America, did several transactions and investments into the German economy totalling close to $1 million as they purchased their machines. That sounds an awful lot like international money institutions exchanging currency in a legal manner with transparency and book records. I think most people would call that international banking. In fact Hitler gave preferential treatment to Thomas J. Watson, the head of IBM at the time. And Watson had previously been the president of the International Chamber of Commerce, an international banking group. So I'm pretty sure if anything international banking and financial organisations were interested in keeping the Fuhrer in office than removing him.

>Because it was the great depression in Europe. Other countries were weak too, particularly France which would have been the one supposed to opposed rheinland remilitarization.
Then you also have the Anschluss and Munich. Saying that west attacked Germany because some banking bussines is silly and you should stop it.

>Citadels of Chaos
Forgotten book written by forgotten officer of Wermacht. Great source.

>Coincidence =/= correlation
That's still a lot of coincidence.

>No, most money is a government backed guarantee that the currency is valued at what it says it is.
Absolutely not, central banks in all countries are independant from the government, that's how this whole racket is designed. There is a reason Ron Paul has been asking for an audit of the federal reserve for 30 years now, you know.

>Except there was no growth because you said yourself
There was because german goods still were traded internationally. And shortage of food are more because of international trading sanctions than the currency creation system of nazi germany. The whole relevant world was against them, to be fair and german state couldn't trade properly.

>that was growing everywhere except in feeding, clothing, and medicating their people?
Germans had the highest quality of life during nazi germany. We're talking about a country that was bankrupt a decade before, that was under international sanction and during a time most other countries just got out of depression. Hitler did a pretty good job for his people.

>american transaction
Yeah, so what ? How is it international banking ? International banking I'm talking about is that one cartel which has a finger in every central bank and that imposes a system of debt-based currency upon the nations. It's not a problem with banking in itself, it's about the system imposed by a clique of international bankers that decide how is created currency and uses it to make loads of money.
If you want to know more about the whole currency system, I advise you to watch this documentary, a great documentary, by Bill Still youtube.com/watch?v=B4wU9ZnAKAw
It's great because it exposes this system on a higher level (the international bankers) and the lower level with fractional reserve banking where banks loan more money than they have and thus create currency on debt too. It's 3h but is very informative.

>stop it
No.

>Hitler did a pretty good job for his people.
Except for paying taxes. But he expected everyone else to pay whatever he set them to.

> International banking I'm talking about
Ohhhhhhh, you mean the international bank you invent to explain your convenient leaps in logic from what the rest of the academic world world calls international banking.

When you're ready to join us here in reality we'll be waiting.

>when a political man into economist job

France had a standing army that was huge compared to the german army.

>Germans had the highest quality of life during nazi germany.
Hardly. It was definitely higher during "the golden years" of Weimar Republic.

>We're talking about a country that was bankrupt a decade before
And was doing pretty well between 1924 and 1929.

>Except for paying taxes.
It's recent rumours from very partisan source (BBC). Hitler also had one testicule, he killed his niece he was fucking, he took a cocktail of 72 drugs, etc...

I don't confuse banking as a concept and banking as it is practiced with debt-based currency and fractional reserve banking. I should have said international banking cartel then, it would have caused less confusion.

Yeah, and it was in depression after the other countries, also it had nearly a whole generation wiped 20 years before which led to a big trauma.

>also it had nearly a whole generation wiped 20 years before which led to a big trauma.
Yet they were not afraid to enforce their demands, while Germany was defenseless.

You're an idiot.

Germany was fucking weak before they invaded Czechoslovakia. And yet the all-powerful international banking did absolutely nothing to stop it. Were they deliberately waiting until Hitler could challenge the Europe? I don't care if you believe in "German economic miracle" but stop with this idiocy about Hitler being forced into WW2.

But user, don't you realize, he was threatened by the wildly expansionist USSR! That's why they didn't expand except into areas that they agreed upon with Germany, and it was terrifying!

It really baffles me how anyone can portray Hitler's Germany as a peaceful country. It's fucking absurd.

>creation of Wehrmacht
>remilitarization of the Rhineland
>Anschluss
>Sudetenland
>occupation of Czechoslovakia
>Memel/Klaipeda
>Ribbentrop-Molotov pact
>Poland
Literally the most peaceful country in Europe!

Why didn't the allies declare war on USSR when Poland was invaded?

one baddie at a time

That's stupid, how could they have saved Poland without fighting USSR?

It might sound stupid to a simple mind, but it worked.

West didn't had manpower to fight both of the baddies in the '38.

>cold war concepts before ww2
Never change, always remain a funny clown, Veeky Forums. I'm out of this piece of shit board.

Even Poland didn't declare war on USSR.

For a silly question there is a silly answer, dear.

>>Hugely increase military spending to get unemployment down to zero
THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS YOU FUCKING TEENAGER