Hur hur western culture is so masculine and straight

yeah same here, until i fell down a wiki rabbit hole.

Turns out the practice was nearly identical, as soon as the younger partner was seen as a grown man you were no longer allowed to fuck him.

i think it was pretty common in edo period

nice! good job japan

have you actually read the study?

Masculinity ≠ sexual relations. Those Greek boy lovers weren't close to the effeminate weirdos who make up modern homosexuality.

Shit supposedly happening in once city doesn't prove anything.

Also, there's tons of faggot historians (as in literal fags) who are big on historical revisionism and are desperately trying to portray everything and anything in history as being homosexual, from Alexander to King David to Christian marriage and apparently, the whole Western culture now, as well.

>Shit supposedly happening in once city doesn't prove anything.
>the greatest artistic period in western history being fucking gay doesn't prove anything
>""supposedly""
kek, i like how you posture as if right-wing revisionism doesn't happen.

>>hur hur western culture is so masculine and straight

And who said that exactly

Also, just because there's a a trend of homosexuality in a fairly limited location, for a limited period of time, doesn't mean all of Europe is made of raging faggots.

>being fucking gay
Not only does this fail to understand cultural relativism, it fails to understand differnces existing between Italy and the Anglosphere to this day.

In Italy two men Kiss when they meet each other. Same in Russia. They aren't "homosexual" for doing this. Only by barbaric American protestant standards.

>fucking someone in the ass isn't gay

Kk buddy

half of the men in florence were charged with fucking a dude in the ass you retard

>Japan

>starting your hypothetical opposing argument with hur hur
stopped reading right there

>It's not sodomy, you're just not understanding cultural relativism you stupid cishet !!!

l-mao

>fucking dudes in the butt and kissing them on the cheek is the same thing

Okay buddy.

Hi, first time on Veeky Forums. I thought this board was for real historians for the purpose to discuss accurate storical facts.
Turns out it isn't, so I'll leave, but before I do:
homosexuality was never tollerated in ancient europe, or western civilization in general. It's notorious that pederastry is common for people in position of power (look at pizzagate) and it's one of the many reasons they were heavily criticized. Read Tacitus.
>inb4 tacitus only said those things because he hated le romans and he had to le lie

I'm not talking about sodomy. I'm talking about the statues and the interest in the male physique. As for rampant sodomy in Florence, it may have been the case but the idea that Florentines were a bunch of gay pride deviants like the modern homosexual "movement" is laughably bad.

Agreed. As gay myself it makes me feel embarrassed for these faggot wewuzers.

They fucked each other in the ass. They were faggots.

Fucking cry harder over it, Italaboo.

>Rome
>western civilization
Fuck off.

>pizzagate
>a real thing

fucking disregarded

>Michelangelo was a devout Catholic whose faith deepened at the end of his life.[56] He was abstemious in his personal life, and once told his apprentice, Ascanio Condivi: "However rich I may have been, I have always lived like a poor man."[57] Condivi said he was indifferent to food and drink, eating "more out of necessity than of pleasure"[57] and that he "often slept in his clothes and ... boots."[57] His biographer Paolo Giovio says, "His nature was so rough and uncouth that his domestic habits were incredibly squalid, and deprived posterity of any pupils who might have followed him."[58] He may not have minded, since he was by nature a solitary and melancholy person, bizzarro e fantastico, a man who "withdrew himself from the company of men."[59]

>It is impossible to know for certain whether Michelangelo had physical relationships (Condivi ascribed to him a "monk-like chastity"),[60] but the nature of his sexuality is made apparent in his poetry.[61] He wrote over three hundred sonnets and madrigals. The longest sequence displaying a great romantic friendship, was written to Tommaso dei Cavalieri (c. 1509–1587), who was 23 years old when Michelangelo met him in 1532, at the age of 57. These make up the first large sequence of poems in any modern tongue addressed by one man to another, predating Shakespeare's sonnets to the fair youth by fifty years:

There's literally no point to sharing what you just shared, it doesn't affect anything anyone said at all.

>reactionaries

>Beyond friendship, Leonardo kept his private life secret. His sexuality has been the subject of satire, analysis, and speculation. This trend began in the mid-16th century and was revived in the 19th and 20th centuries, most notably by Sigmund Freud.[66] Leonardo's most intimate relationships were perhaps with his pupils Salai and Melzi. Melzi, writing to inform Leonardo's brothers of his death, described Leonardo's feelings for his pupils as both loving and passionate. It has been claimed since the 16th century that these relationships were of a sexual or erotic nature. Court records of 1476, when he was aged twenty-four, show that Leonardo and three other young men were charged with sodomy in an incident involving a well-known male prostitute. The charges were dismissed for lack of evidence, and there is speculation that since one of the accused, Lionardo de Tornabuoni, was related to Lorenzo de' Medici, the family exerted its influence to secure the dismissal.[67] Since that date much has been written about his presumed homosexuality and its role in his art, particularly in the androgyny and eroticism manifested in John the Baptist and Bacchus and more explicitly in a number of erotic drawings.[68]

t. pedophile

>(((Siegmund Freud)))