Looking at historical precedents of islam taking over large parts of the world and the change of religion in...

Damn, why is she so qt?

>reform
The muslims living in Europe right now aren't 'reformed', being the majority would make them more conservative not the opposite.

>What would Europe look like if it turns Islamic?
Europe would become like Brazil.

>Wow just like Christianity.
That's nothing like the spread of Christianity. On a history board you should know better.

They would claim to identify to Islam and call themselves muslims but will stop at there and disdain everything about it.

They will also build many beautiful mosques and they will never use them.

A central leadership would be set up in Europe, which will claim to be the head of Islam. Except most of the faithful live in the third world.

Europeans converting to Islam is different from Europe being flooded with a bunch of Africans, Pakis and Arabs like is happening now. A simple conversion would probably single a mass conversion of the world to Islam. Europe being Muslim via invaders means a mongrelized unhappy society.

Christianity had the luxury of Rom doing all the warring and conquering for them. Well, most of it.

You realize the native European pagan cults were only practiced by a small proportion of the elites or the very rural folk, right? Most people practiced a philosophy school (Stoicism, Epicureanism, Neoplatonism) an eastern mystery cult (Cybele, Isis) or an Eastern religion (Manicheism, Gnosticism, Christianity).

The idea that Christians went around slaughtering roman citizens in droves is laughable. A few cases of violence don't make the whole.

Huh?
What I meant by my post is that Christianity had all of those lands handed to them by their sugar daddy Rome. Islam had to fight for every inch of their soil, Christianity """inherited""" Roman lands and slaughtered some people in Scandinavia to convert them or kill them.

That's not what happened though. The empire converted and slowly missionaries from byzantine or Rome converted the rest of Europe. Nothing was "handed to them by a sugar daddy" as you stupidly put.

>most people followed a school of thought that required an education

Rly makes me think

The spread of Christianity and the hypothetical spread of Islam can be compared because they are similar.

Both entered large irreligious states that allowed the freedom of movement and freedom of religion (on and off for christians) and tried to spread their faith.

Once European politicans, celebrities etc start converting the change will occur within a few generations.

Reread his post user.

>The spread of Christianity and the hypothetical spread of Islam can be compared because they are similar.
They aren't though. Christianity spread in an Empire already taking religious ideas from the East. It slowly rose from being persecuted and producing martyrs to the official religion of the empire when nobody except a few hardliners cared about native paganism anyway.

Islam is committing terrorist attacks and sexual assaulting women all over the West. Its being spread by angry pakis, arabs or Africans who are undesirably ugly and foreign. From the earliest days of Christianity its communities were Europeans (Galatians, Macedonians, Greeks).

Lemme try this one more time.

The Christians had a unified state, Rome, that endorsed them and allowed them to spread.
Islam did not. They had to conquer to build a nation state for themselves.

>They had to conquer to build a nation state for themselves.
So the unified Arabian peninsula Muhammad left them wasn't enough of a state?

They, just like the Christians, had ambition. They traded, they conquered, they proselytized, and they expanded.

It would probably be a great place because westerners would only want to look at the good side and to strive for peace. The problem with islam is fucking arabs who only want power. Its never gonna happen akmed should have thought about this when you guys let the Ottoman Empire die its over. Enjoy your kangaroos and parties in the sand box while the real powerful people work.

>They traded, they conquered, they proselytized, and they expanded.
But they were left a state to go about that, right?

After conquering it for themselves, yes.

>Christianity spread in an Empire already taking religious ideas from the East.
You mean in the same way Europe and many Western countries have been doing for decades?

>Our assholes were martyrs so its different

You also go on to say that early Christian communities were confined to ethnic groups and then proceed to name a few ethnic groups Islam is confined to.

We agree. Why are we debating?

>You mean in the same way Europe and many Western countries have been doing for decades?
You think budiboos and new agers are looking to establish a European caliphate? Again, they're only comparable out of context.

>You also go on to say that early Christian communities were confined to ethnic groups and then proceed to name a few ethnic groups Islam is confined to.
Those ethnic groups are Europeans though. Islam is being spread by foreigners who are competing for jobs, resources and murdering natives. Christians being persecuted is far more significant to the fact that the spreads aren't meaningfully similar.

>You mean in the same way Europe and many Western countries have been doing for decades?
The turn against Christianity is arguable a turn away from the Abrahamic mindset in general. Islam isn't too different from Christianity in that regards.

My point was that an irreligious Empire (The EU) was samplying exotic eastern religions.

Greeks, Galatians and Macedonians aren't Roman and were foreign in the same way you think Pakistanis etc are not European and are foreign.

Muslims consider Europeans to be persecuting them as well. They attack Europeans because they believe this.

It took Christians what, 300 years to go from a minority to a majority? Islam has plenty of time to convert Europeans. It will probably become the dominant European faith faster than Christianity did for Romans.

I don't think Europeans actively tried to turn away from religion. It just happened. Same can be said of pagans.

They became less religious and a popular new cult popped up.

>Greeks, Galatians and Macedonians aren't Roman and were foreign in the same way you think Pakistanis etc are not European and are foreign.
Rome conquered those people. Greeks, Macedonians and Galatians lived in the same communities they live in before and after Rome conquered them. They weren't foreigners competing with native Romans for jobs, resources and control. Also the difference between a Roman and a Galatian, Greek or Macedonian is far smaller than the difference between a German and a Somali or paki.

>Driving busses into marketplaces and shooting fireworks in a women's face before groping her on new years sure is the same as being thrown in the coliseum for refusing to pray to an emperor.

You do know that race is a social construct right?

The only difference between sny of these people os in your mind.

Minorities have also always been a part of Europe. These people have lives there for generations now.

Muslims wouldn't act so violently if Europeans weren't constantly attacking their beliefs.

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t. a muslim

The future belongs to Brazil and the stronger Bunda nations. Degeneracy and cheap beer will always prevail. Try building a neighborhood mosque among favelados.

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That's because they're second generation. By the 5 generation they'll definitely be reformed.

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It's more complicated than that, and it has very little to do with religious dogma or conservatism. For them Islam is their counter culture. They don't suddenly have some longing for the culture of their parents, who are conservative in the more traditional sense, but instead are looking for an identity that let's them escape the ones they have as immigrant children with high unemployment and little to no social mobility. It's why their form of conservative Islam more resembles a street gang or political party than a congregation centered around communal activity.

In any case, the reform in question in a hypothetical Muslim Europe would be one that comes out of native born ethnic European Muslims of the sort like Muhammad Pickthall or Abdullah Quilliam. The future of immigrant Muslims is a different matter, and it remains to be seen whether they'll be come a sort of permanent minority population surviving in some niche - good or bad, or if they'll eventually fade into the general population only remembered for a quirky last name and genetic family history results a few decades later.

You legit made me worried.

You forgot option C).
Total expulsion and ethnic cleansing.

It would cease to be Europe.

>Greeks, Galatians and Macedonians aren't Roman

They were literally part of the Roman Empire. . .

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ottoman balkans

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Wait 10-20 years and you'll have your answer.

Like turkey.

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>Muslims wouldn't act so violently if Europeans weren't constantly attacking their beliefs.

why did you think their religion is violently condemned in the first place ?

islamophobia

>The muslims living in Europe right now aren't 'reformed'

t. Yank.

youtube.com/watch?v=dSUDqVDc-Q8

christianity conquered the mighty rome

your insinuation of islam or christianity being 'better' than the other based on their spread is retarded

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