Islam needs a reformation like Christianity did

>Islam needs a reformation like Christianity did

What did liberals & neo-cons mean by this?

who are you quoting?

if its no one then how the fuck am I supposed to know what your imaginary hypothetical person meant?

also this is not history or humanities, take this dumb shit back to /pol/ where it belogns

Islam is still backwards as shit and religions need to adjust to modern society. Thats why they need a reformation

Whiggish history

People genuinely believe in the far off future everyone will accept Western secular humanism and a that a drunken orgy will be as common in Riyadh as it is in Sao Paulo.

Probably ayan, but holy shit, triggered much?

They don't understand that Islam is basically the Protestant version of their faith where every mosque just does whatever the fuck it wants with no hierarchy or structure. What Islam needs is centralization and modernization so random bum fucking Afghani hill billies stop telling people that blowing themselves up will get them to heaven.

Lmfao it already happened and it's called Salafism. People who say that sort of stuff are talking out their arse about a religion they don't understand, and even misunderstanding the nature of the Reformation itself.

That's true but the christian reformation was returning to the Bible's teachings while a reformation in Islam would involve changing the Qur'an.

I live in São Paulo but never got invited to an orgy, how come?

Or returning to the Qur'an's teachings in a more literalist sense. You know, like already happened in the 20th century.

The more literal you interpret the Qur'an the more violent the religion.

I didn't say it was a good thing, I'm just saying the shift in thinking and practice that occurred in Islam throughout the 20th century could be considered equivalent to the Christian Reformation, in terms of spreading a more literalist and fundamentalist approach to the faith.

Also, while a relatively minority movement, Salafism forced more mainstream Islam to adapt (read: interpret the Qur'an more literally), just as the Vatican had to adapt in response to the Reformation.

>tfw People unironicly believe the Protestant Reformation had anything to do with mordern liberalism

They never paid attention in history class so they hear the word "Reformation" and assume that Christianity as a whole somehow pacified itself, while before it was some sort of crazy murderous death cult.

Quranism is closer to Protestant Reformation than Salafism

"No"

This. Christianity is still a crazy murderous death cult.

Islam is politics or it is nothing.

It means that to be compatible with a society with western freedoms, Islam needs to stop taking the approach that it should enforce its will over every society it is a part of. There was no "reformation" that made Christians more compatible with western freedoms though, that's the mistake, it was a slow, torturous process over hundreds of years to the point we are at now where they're almost-but-not-really compatible, and Christians still try to have nativity scenes in front of public government buildings. And that's what we would really see with Islam.

It does though
Wahhabis and sauds are like the medicis with how cancer they are

The impulse for this sentiment (which is perfectly valid if phrased in a goofy political language), is that we just want them to stop being fucking 90-IQ sperg idiots about their violent and false book and shitting up everyone else's better, more worthwhile shit for that benighted reason. A reformation is code here for a culture that is more humanistic and values human life, which Islam doesn't. Just chill them Alis the fuck out.

Obviously a reformation could instead mean a more fundamentalist Islam, but that's obviously not what we have in mind. We just want them to chill out and play modern humanist ball.

t. Westerners with IQs north of 105 or so

The Islamic Reformation is happening and it is called Salafism.
If you refer to what tamed the Christian world and stopped the endless religious wars, That was the age of Enlightenment, when religion got essentially btfo in Europe.

They mean an enlightenment. Reformation didn't stop Christians from acting like savages, the enlightenment did.

So basically they mean they should accept liberal values like secularism.

Islam does have a Reformation.

It's called ISIS.

The problem with Islam is it started out bad, not that it started out good then went bad.

"Getting back to the basics" of Islam is ISIS.