Was there ever a bigger misallocation of resources than suburbia?

That wouldn't be bad of they left a block of houses or two for a large park every now and again. Then you could have the surrounding area be places to eat or other attractions like arcades and the like. It could be like a community gathering spot.

>community gathering spot
>in America
lol you crack me up.

>America
Oh nevermind, I didn't see the filename.

I am very glad you are nothing more than a shitposter on Veeky Forums.

Feel free to commit yourself to slow suicide.

That exists farther in the city.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_park_and_boulevard_system?wprov=sfla1
cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/zlup/Historic_Preservation/Publications/ParkBlvdsHD_NR_map_14July2011.pdf

LMAO Europeans are so cucked they actually defend their chaotic shithole cities.

Chaos is good. Shitholes are good too, although not so much to live in. But chaos is good, nice and settling. Order is enraging.

This is Veeky Forums. Surely you appreciate the superiority of inferior situations.

>introduce a little anarchy
>upset the established order

Fuck I've been found out

There's no real non-edgy way to say it, I just hate order.

If you think the left image is more aesthetically pleasing than the right, you're autistic

t. Midwesterner

>left image
Jesus Christ that's absolutely fucking disgusting. Making your cities and suburbs into bland, featureless, soulless shitholes just wasn't enough for you, huh? You're not content until you've sucked the life out of absolutely everything everywhere?

Haha fuck young live on a secluded farm in a nice house

I'd literally rather die.

I'm joining the army to escape that shit.

Some East Coast cities look just like European cities.

In general, if it was built before the automobile, it'll be less orderly and shit

>implying gridiron plan isn't the best form of urban planning

>live on a farm as a horny 18 year old
>nothing to do but fuck your cousin

Spoonfeed me about why people hate suburbs.

>if it was built before the automobile
There are Japanese cities built long before American cities that use the grid system because they were actually planned. The reason European cities are so shit is because they're unplanned abortions.

Very often, they're boring places to live. You have a bunch of houses that all look the same interspersed with run-down strip malls and highways. You need a car if you want to go anywhere.

That's the stereotype, but it actually varies a lot. It depends upon the particular development and history of the suburb, but there are plenty that are indeed that shitty.

The Greeks and Romans followed the same pattern the US did.

Older cities were chaotic shitholes, but when they had the chance to built new ones, they made clean gridirons.

I imagine Japan had the change to build a lot of new cities being that the US helpfully contributed a bunch of great fires.

You can't walk places.

This leads to inefficient transportation and land use, as well as fat, sheltered children.

You don't need to make the ratrace THAT obvious. It's kinda insulting.

>You can't walk places.
Lol what are trains and busses (bearing in mind you walk to and from them, and the main concern is "doing stuff without a car")

Trains and buses are a pathetic substitute for just walking somewhere any time you want to.

You don't have to wait on a platform for the running shoes that only show up twice an hour.

Also, suburban dwellings are less efficient to heat and cool, so a lot of people dislike that.

Suburbs do not have trains that only show up every half hour. That shit's for small towns.

Although my experience with them is limited to Greater London.

>Americans think walking means riding the bus
This is just too good to be true.

>Americans
Yeah that's why my experience is limited to Greater London you interminable faggot.

I'm going off of the bus outside of my apartment complex.

Like nigga, I ain't waiting no half an hour when I can drive downtown in half an hour, without having to switch bus routes at the nearest mall.

I imagine Greater London is vastly different from the 'typical' American suburb, which is what I thought we were discussing here

This may have something to do with the fact that European cities have been developing organically over literally thousands of years, whereas American ''''''''''history'''''''''' begins basically last week by the standards of proper countries

I thought we were just doing suburbs, in which case GL probably isn't that different from anything else. Although US public transport is apparently shit.

See and I'd like to see those excuses

There is a massive difference between British suburbs and American suburbs due to the different ways in which they developed

Like that old nation of Italy? Or the ancient country of Germany? Or the venerable state of Croatia?

Are you retarded?

Those countries are all newer than the US of A my friend ;)

At the right image we can see how people organised their farms according to the natural orography of their terrieory.
At the left image it's USA. It's fucking disgusting when you remember that they're the fucking first world power.

Just make your suburbs not shit.

I live in the suburbs, there are shops, restaurants, cafes, schools, churches and other services everywhere within walking distance of each other, beautiful parks filled with wildlife in every direction, sports fields, trees and greenery on every street, etc. Streets are winding and buildings vary in their size and appearance.

Most suburbs I've seen have been like that. It's not a choice between dilapidated commie blocks or featureless housing estates.

Okay, so you are retarded.

>Zagreb was founded in 1995
t. You

It could be like that, but unfortunately most suburbs built in the US since the postwar era have followed a really shit model of planning that doesn't do those things

The unified states are obviously, but Italians lived in Italy even if the state of Italy didn't exist you moron

And Americans didn't live in America?

It's been settled ten thousand years my man. Normally I wouldn't pull this card but it kinda seems like you're being Eurocentric here.

Zoning is the real enemy.

>I know, why don't we have a huge blob of two story dwellings with no shops or any other services
>because fuck you

The mudskinned hippies that have left no trace of culture or sophistication?
At least Central and South American hippies have cool stuff, our redskins are nothing but drug addicted slumlords.

Suburbia isn't a nightmare

Yes, that was a serious post that should be dignified with a response

>seriously implying europeans don't use grid

I can't handle all these dirty unwashed CASUALS

There is no sharing in suburbia. Everyone has their own this or that resource (usually gadgets for the gadgeteers) and they sit idle most of the time.

It's impossible to supply and outfit everyone on earth with a suburbian dwelling and all the greedy trimmings. It is unsustainable. It will bring us to the brink of annihilation, which it has, and quickly will escalate to a point of no return (climate, pollution, nuclear war, plague). People dress up pets, cars, houses with pretty lights: while people go hungry, cold or without shelter. Hard to be more petty, arrogant and full of hate than this.

honestly, I unironically think the left is far superior than the right. having lived in all different levels of planning, grid-based is the easiest and obviously most functional way of life.

everyone responding otherwise has this weird assumption that one is "prettier" or something, but you aren't exactly experiencing these systems from an aerial perspective. if you want things to actually be pretty, aesthetic and feel natural, neither is a good option. live in the fucking woods.

Not gonna lie, this makes me scared and a bit disgusted.

You've never enjoyed going for a drive or a walk through the countryside?

Welcome to Veeky Forums

both are shitty with greenspace management runoff soil fertility and water usage

both styles of planning are going out of fashion. and European forests look unfucking natural and gridded into place because they're all monoculture second growth planted long after the original woods were chopped in like the Medieval period or some shit.

I grew up walking around the countryside. unplanned countryside, too.

>seriously implying it's anywhere near the norm
Why can't I hold all these strawmen

Name one thing wrong with commieblocks.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point

also they're becoming very expensive to maintain nowadays

You can hear your neighbor taking a massive shit while you're eating dinner.

how is modern capitalism a nightmare?

Aid to Africa

giving aid to africa is a good idea in the long run since their birthrates will decline as their health and stuff increases

Yeah, I know someone who lived in Rhode Island for a few years and he said the streets layouts were completely retarded and unpredictable compared to further west.

We don't know that. I mean it happened in Europe and Asia but that isn't universally applicable.

I also would like to know this.

Modern capitalism is a fucking dream come true compared to communism or any period of human history preceding it.

I like spanish apartments, they're spacious and def take less space than suburbs. Usually they're 4 or five bedroom with a nice dining room, living room, kitchen, laundry and entrance hall. Not so expensive yet convenient.

If capitalism is the most efficient way to use resources then why does planned obsolescence exist? I'm not trying to be snarky it just seems to me a retarded amount of waste

>tfw you'll never live in American suburbia
>ywn date the qt next door
>ywn have a huge backyard and go to movie-like high schools
>ywn go out with your other teen friends and just hang around the neighborhood
>ywn be a kid full of hope and still deeply mentally troubled by the issues imposed on you by American society
>ywn live a life like in hollywood movies

I-I don't know how to feel lads

>Right is wheat, rye, sorghum, barley, vineyards, olive orchards, cheese sheds, all wrought with care and expertise handed down from generation to generation
>left is just subsidized corn to make corn syrup

>Grew up in Krugersdorp and Johannesburg, South Africa.
>Racism is at large
>Proper ghetto kid
>shit school
>shit life
>lucky my fucking dad is irish so we have a home in Ireland

I fucking wish I lived life like a 2006 American movie

Till I was like twelve, my family inhabited a similar 'thing'. To be honest, in a better world, these would be the ultimate housing solution for the lower class.
The one I lived in had pretty tight community, it felt like living in a village in the middle of the capital, I still partied there until my late teens, even after we had moved. Not every block was that lucky though.

>tfw ywn drink cheap liquor with your mates surrounded by commie housing blocks again

Behold, the western european solution!

I grew up in that type of suburb. My childhood was boring and wasted on late 90s and 2000s internet. I'm always jealous when I hear stories from people who grew up in cities or decent suburbs.

Those kids look pretty ripped.

America grows more of all of that stuff though.

Wouldn't you have to pay a lot more to live and work in a European city than you would to work in an American city and live in the suburbs?

Regardless, this thread is silly because it is more a flamewar than an actual discussion of WHY America population distribution is different from Europe. The answer is very interesting.

>Not one single morbidly obese child in sight

Yep, definitely not American children.

That picture looks like it was taken in the 70's, dumb dumb.

Here's how it sometimes could work nicely in Eastern Europe.

You have the commie blocks in a ring surrounding a large, safe pedestrian area with greenery and various leisure and utility areas. The complex of buildings in the centre is a school and gym. Various shops and supermarkets were immediately outside the ring and easily reachable.

It was very comfy growing up. These days there's a huge problem with parking spots though, since Commie era planning simply didn't expect so many cars.

>These days there's a huge problem with parking spots though, since Commie era planning simply didn't expect so many cars.
Rail. Fucking rail. It's the only long timescale option.

So why do commie blocks usually pave over literally everything within 10 miles?

Rail is too constricted in terms of conditions (e.g. is very hilly) and it only really works across longer distances and moving from a high-density housing hub to a high-density employment hub.

On the local level buses and (where conditions allow) trams work better.

No idea. Do they? It could be for the parking these days.

Jews really seem to hate suburbia. They want White people to live in diverse vibrant areas and get victimised and alienated.

That iconic "little boxes" anti suburb song was written by a San Francisco communist jewess

Muh joos

HURR.

What kind of jobs do people in U.S suburbia have? If you get unemployed what do you do?

Another one... are there bars or town squars in suburbia?

plz, jews are some of the most insufferable square suburbanites

Yeah, how about the fact that a dozen people have more wealth than the rest of humanity combined? And you're complaining about the top of the rest of humanity? Fuck off.

>a dozen people have more wealth than the rest of humanity combined
and? If some turboautist wants to collect billions of good boy points and BTFO normies in the process why is this a bad thing? Are you saying it should be redistributed to plebs so they can waste it on meth and sports cars and other bullshit instead of science and progress?

Most jews in Murica live in NYC LA and Chicago

Also here is the anti suburb song

youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvina_Reynolds
>Malvina Milder was born in San Francisco to David and Abagail Milder, Jewish and socialist immigrants, who opposed involvement in World War I.

OF COURSE