Why are most of you left-leaning?

>Unfortunately the contemporary world has unwisely decided that commies should have free speech which is insane but hey, what can I do about it?

Nice meme my friend

This. Just because we are open to discussion and don't sit around circle jerking shouting MAGA doesn't mean we are leftists. We just don't want to engage in pol-tier discussions

Yeah sure but you can't deny there's a decent chunk of morons unironically supporting """scientific""" marxism and shit like this.

Are you denying leftists have free speech? They even have more freedom of speech than fascists lol despite being even worse.

No I'm denying that it's a bad thing we don't unilaterally black bag people we disagree with politically you muppet

>"""scientific""" marxism
I've never read about that. Are you sure that's a thing?

>No I'm denying that it's a bad thing

>cause complete disasters and democide every single time
>not a bad thing

ok sociopath

>we don't unilaterally black bag people we disagree with politically you muppet

That's because at the present point in time you're just larpers lol, if you had a tiny bit more power you'd be going back to that immediately.

I know that it sounds like a joke but plenty of marxists unironically believe that marxism is a science.

I don't have a problem with radicals from both spectrums, I'm just wondering why there's historians who happen to be radicals. It doesn't make sense, historians have a mind of trial and error which is why they would align themselves with the past more than the future.

Radicals tend to think about the future alot more than the past, which is why they try out experimental, and new, unpredictable ideologies.

You cannot call yourself a historian if you cannot apply your beliefs accordingly to the past, as to avoid mistakes or pitfalls.

fascism looks good on paper but is against human nautre, every attempt has failed

>I know that it sounds like a joke but plenty of marxists unironically believe that marxism is a science.
As a physicist, yes, I find that to be a joke, much like "political science". As my political science professor said "if it has to have 'science' in the name then it probably isn't a science".

I like that because I think we should have rights you think I'm a Marxist

>Waaaaaa why isn't everybody like in my containment board meant for lunatics and underage kids

I wonder why, truly a mystery, or maybe it's that we are reasonable people and we've always been in this site but not on your dumb containment board?

Reading and talking about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist. Nor does reading Mein Kampf make me a National Socialist.

Honestly I only generally reserve scorn specifically for groups that actively destroy historical artifacts or try to rewrite history in a way that was done to make questioning it impossible. So in general I'm not very positive towards 20th century authoritarians.

I thought you were a marxist because you said "we don't bag people" and I understood that to refers to marxists not bagging people.

Anyway, we have rights, we just don't have rights that are going to destroy the institution that gives those rights.

>I know that it sounds like a joke but plenty of marxists unironically believe that marxism is a science.

Stupid dumb Popperians

>fascism looks good on paper but is against human nautre, every attempt has failed
How so

>earth science
>plant science
hmmm

No institution "gives" rights, they are inherent and inalienable, and it is the rightful action of people to get rid of governments that seek to impede these natural rights.

The fact you assumed I meant 'we' as Marxists (I'm not a Marxist) and not we as Western Society makes you look pretty paranoid

Either they believe exactly what you do or they're the enemy and should not have rights

That's a healthy mentality

found the marxist retard.

Marxism is part not-science and part wrong-science.
>No institution "gives" rights, they are inherent and inalienable

top kek

I'm not using Marxist rhetoric, this shit is Enlightenment era stuff.

>Marxism is part not-science and part wrong-science.

So together it's a not-wrong-science

checkmate

What's it feel like to be so delusional?

Pretty much. Most people on Veeky Forums are center right.

I know, and it's garbage.

That was pretty funny.

How so?

They are saying that rights are only granted at the grace of the state and unless the citizens have the means to defend themselves those rights are highly highly susceptible to someday not existing

An armed populace is the enemy of Fascism, don't you know

Not him but the concept of human rights is a moder-western idea. Isn't it a bit strange that they're so obviously inherent and inalienable and yet the only place that discovered them was a tiny portion of the globe just a few centuries ago.

I assumed that because when I say something similar to my previous post marxists come out of the woods and start autistically screeching.

Its almost like it required thousands of years of thought to build up to that point where you could have the foundation to discuss them...

le left right distinction

Do people actually think this has any meaning?

>he thinks I'm a stormfag that goes on /pol/
Hello, OP here, yes I do go on /pol/, but not as much as I go on Veeky Forums. I myself am not of the natsoc persuasion just to let you know.

But funny how you call yourselves reasonable tho.

If leftists were reasonable people, talking out of experience here, they wouldn't talk over somebody's point like immature little brats. There was a progressive who was talking over my friend, a libertarian, when he was trying to explain to him that white trash was essentially equally racist as nigger.

He whined and moaned about how it was "different", not really having any coherent counter-argument.

I wouldn't say you're reasonable, I'd just say your point of view is reasonable to yourself but you denounce those with conservative ideals, which is why you despise /pol/ and want to get away from it.

FYI, it took the progressive about 2 hours to finally admit that both terms were very racist.

I really wish your ilk wouldn't lump us with rightwingers, it really does piss me off to the extent where I'd jab you in the mouth.

People are too suckered in by the tribal urge to score touchdowns for their "team"

Falsifiability is a meme

No

People don't understand that history isn't really about moral right and wrong.

Yeah, I guess it removes the loneliness and desire for belonging for a while

>Why are most of you left-leaning?
We're not. This boards leans conservative.

That leftist sounds like a retard. Bur if I, a moderate, started talking about things like the connections between race and class, would you call me a leftist?

Yes, clearly the ancient greeks, indians, chinese and so on were too much of a moronic bunch to discuss a philosophy that can be summed up in half a minute and that literal children can have an understanding of after they're indoctrinated in it by barely educated teachers.

It's just a coincidence that the doctrine of human rights was developed around the time when europeans felt there was a need of secularizing their governments but still wanted to retain all the goodies from christianity.

If it's understood as the sole principle of demarcation, yes.

If you're over 15 you should know it's called botany

All philosophy is a result of shit that happens around the people who make it, just so happens that being simple and realistic means that it can in fact be universal

Ofc not, that can mean anything, I'm just wondering why radicals, more specifically commies, but also nazis, go on this board.

>All philosophy is a result of shit that happens around the people who make it

And if something only happens once in a specific historical and geographical place without claims of supernaturalism, you start thinking that maybe, just maybe, its claims about universality and being self-evident and so on are not that serious.

If we take instead stuff like virtue ethics, we found that it was developed pretty much everywhere. Isn't that peculiar.

>just so happens that being simple and realistic

It's not realistic at all, lol, it's entirely unrealistic, if you describe it as someone who is external to it, it looks precisely like a social construct.

"If you aren't happy with the people ruling you, get rid of them" sounds pretty universal.

>muh left-right identity politics

Exterminate yourselves, the lot of you.

I just wanna talk about history and not take part in your insecure dick measuring contests.

But politics have alot to do with history. You can't just shirk it aside and say, "It doesn't belong here, it goes in another box!" sort of thing.

Plant science incorporates a lot of elements of agriculture, hybridisation, horticulture etc.

"If you aren't happy with the people ruling you, get rid of them" sounds pretty universal.

I don't see how that qualifies as a human right, it's more like universal preference, which is completely different.
Even then, it's not universal. I remember a text I had to translated from ancient greek back in high school which told a story that went something like this: we're in a city in magna grecia which is ruled by an evil tyrant, everyone can't wait for the tyrant to die/to be killed and they talk about this, an old, sage woman, who has lived through many tyrants, comes out and say "the nexy tyrant is always worse than the one who comes before him".

You keep getting rid of them until they stop being shitty rulers, and you can't get the right you have to do this taken away from you. I mean, it is a part of being human, wanting to get rid of bad things.

Its a right, not a preference.

>Its a right, not a preference.

It's not a right unless someone gives it to you.
The fact that you can do it doesn't mean it's a right.

Veeky Forums... The only board more Christian and anti-communist than /pol/, where every other thread is /pol/ bait incarnate or a let's shit on communism thread... And you think this is leftist!? You've clearly driven so far to the right you're no longer on the road of reality.

Yeah, we use a few less memes, but that's about it. Veeky Forums, like nearly every other board on this domain, is /pol/. If anything, Veeky Forums is more /pol/ than /pol/.

All three of those are processes, not sciences, and are already part of botany

What have I become, my sweetest historian?

Everyone I know is a leftist in the end.

Alas I have shifted so far to the right, my coordinates on the spectrum have disappeared.

Even a NatSoc would unironically call me a racist bigot.

Maybe it's because intellectuals like us are drawn to the one true political faction (rightism) - the one based on logic, reasoning, and historical evidence. The one not driven by emotion and knee-jerk reactions

Socialism works well in Europe

Yes, a group of nations that entirely outsource their army to the US and are shitting their pants because UK got red pilled and peaced and Russia would steamroll them overnight. Their fantasy land is working real well

Maybe your institution classified everything plants as botany, just as it depends on where you are whether you do more geomorphology in physical geography or geology. But very often botany is more strictly defined as a subset of plant science, dealing with taxonomy, physiology and anatomy.

There seems to be alot of hoop stroking in this thread

Russia could also steamroll the US overnight
European armies are efficient enough to intervene succesfully in african countries, which is more than the US ever did
Brexit was a bit surprising, but the UK never had a big interest in the EU anyway, they never were truly a part of it.

Really enjoying paying for school or health with just my taxes though. A minimum of 30 days of paid leave a year is a nice touch too.

I'd say it does, but it needs to stop funding minorities. Socialism would be perfect if our governments weren't bleeding hearts BUT THE POOR THINGS (that need to feed the big corporations as cheap workers) WE NEED TO THINK OF THEM!

>Russia could also steamroll the US overnight
ok bud
just one question though
how do they get over there?

Most people here are college students

Why not? If anything history has made me more left than I want to be

This amount of pure ideology... mein gott!

>>Russia could also steamroll the US overnight

>shit navy
>worse technology
>no force projection
>would be shot down before they even got to the Bering Strait

Stop listening to RT

>Russia could also steamroll the US overnight

Lol

My point is that the only reason modern day Europe's socialist approach works is because they have the US military backing them. The military is often times one of the most significant portions of a nation's GDP and Europe has the advantage of being able to reduce that drastically.

It's also worth mentioning that the term "works" depends on your idea of success. Many people strive to be better than the common man and the environment in America is much more suited for those kinds of endeavors. You can't be a successful entrepreneur in Europe as easily as you can in the USA

Humanities are left wing. That doesn't mean people here are communists or even Marxists. Veeky Forums is moderate left/right. We just don't worship Hitler and don't want to exterminate the minorities.

I was going to say "by boat" but then I remembered the russian marine is the shittiest in the world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov#2016_deployment

I guess they'll just shit out their nuclear missiles until one gets through the protection barrage

>You can't be a successful entrepreneur in Europe as easily as you can in the USA
brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/02_economic_mobility_sawhill_ch3.pdf

I will read this and get back to you

I am a moderate, but tbqh you can't help but be leftist if you take a pragmatic view of things.

Take religion for example. How can you deny that religion was abused by those in power? This doesn't mean that religion and spirituality is a complete fabrication as some fedoras claim, however left to our own devices people would have a large variety of religions rather than 1 state religion imposed on 99% of the population.

There are some truths that are very "leftist", but then as you say you discover communism is also a spook. I think when learning about history you first take a left then take a right then left again back to being a moderate.

>fascism is against human nature
except it's fucking inspired from nature you mongoloid

>more radical leftists than moderates on this board
people always say this, yet no one ia capable of linking a thread that isn't ironically leftist

Veeky Forums is primarily conservative authoritarian, mostly because contemporary humans are conservative authoritarians.

What isa exactly is a leftist to you, OP? Sounds like you're just a dumb sheltered /pol/ack who finds anyone who doesn't consider his dumb ideology a 'lefitst'.
I honestly don't even know what /pol/ considers to be a centrist. To them you probably have to at least find admiration in Hitler.

No, fascism is inspired on 18th century ideas of what nature is.
Thank god biology evolved since then.
>inb4 it wuz deh jews scientisums

>The amount of people here defining 'left' and 'right' as null sum games

Also your argument is shit kys

>he thinks fascism is nazism
this is a history board, please learn about it before embarassing yourself

Because Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums are boards for intellectuals.

Cuck

Veeky Forums is honestly worse than Veeky Forums when it comes to pol-tier logic

Considering how often we have this retarded topic here i have to wonder why its not a bannable offence to make one.

assuming that you are probably basing this on the vocal hate against /pol/ then you're just as bad as twitter niggers spewing 'racist' on everything that is tangent to race.

How about you learn some biology? I wasn't even thinking of the nazis. Just plain wrong typical fascist ignorance on how nature works.

I don't think you understand that the "nature" fascist rhetoric refers to has very little link to biology
It refers to the principles of nature, such as survival and strength

Besides what are you even referring to with
>typical fascist ignorance on how nature works

Communism will work this time, I swear, there's no reason to believe otherwise

it's not

this board is shit
one of the most important reddit outposts on this site

Those principals of nature are bogus.
You need to be consistent. Either you describe nature as it really is and follow a thorough scientific method with it, or you accept what you are saying aren't so much 'rules of nature' but more so historical cultural interpretations of how nature works.
Tl,dr: learn biology, or stop implying you understand nature

>people don't agree with mee!! Muh safe space
Irony.

jesus is this a reddit post
nature doesn't actually exist it's a concept created by man
biology is a science used to study the the mechanism of life, which constitute this concept that man has created

and natural selection which is the dominant theory today in the scientific community is something that was accepted by fascist ideology, which is not in any aspect contradictory to any scientific facts presented

now your turn to explain how biology disproves fascism, seriously how can anyone reach this conclusion

it's not a matter of agreeing, it's about people acting self righteous and spewing the same arguments over and over despite there being no substance behind it, such as this postwho clearly has no understanding of fascist ideology yet argues some retarded idea he made up that no one in any community, whether it be scientific or historical, agrees with

>/pol/ actively recruited from r/The_Donald
>Veeky Forums is the reddit outpost presumably for calling out bullshit /pol/ macros
hmm
really squeezes my grapefruit

>r/TheDonald wasn't a /pol/ outpost
>Veeky Forums isn't a reddit outpost
o am i laffin