There's something I noticed about left-leaning people on Veeky Forums...

There's something I noticed about left-leaning people on Veeky Forums, whenever there's a period of time they feel sentimental about, it's always some fucking disorganized, decrepit, collapsing, crime and conflict ridden shithole - revolutionary Catalonia, 70s New York City, Weimar Germany, revolutionary France, Paris commune, etc.

Meanwhile, right wing posters seem to fetishize orderly societies with family-based values, strong social cohesion, cleanliness, rule of law, etc.

This isn't a bitchy meta thread as much as it is a question: Why are leftists attracted to social decay and chaos like flies to shit?

Because people are sometimes willing to trade safety for intellectual stimulation.

The same reason Veeky Forums posters want to visit ancient Rome or something where they'd probably get the plague and die.

Weimar germany was an extremely interesting place for its time. Arts, visions, extremism.

>extreme unemployment and poverty
>inflation and debt leading to economic collapse
>street gangs of thugs attacking people on the street for any reason
>hopelesness and alienation
>literally lost generation of people drowning their sorrows in alcohol, drugs, gambling and whores

It's the kind of thing that's interesting to read about but it would be hell on Earth if you actually had to go through it.

right wingers fap over moments in history where morality was totally absent.
Nazi Germany, Pinochet's Chile, there's a right wing fetishisation of moralistic speech while there are completely degenerate shit going on in the background.

leftists are also atracted by discipline and order and so on. See Stalinists. See Juche.

>he fell for the one axis political scale

a decrepit rusty NYC from the 70s can be just aesthetic as an orderly ancient roman forum desu

i like both. I think you're reading too much into it.

You could actually argue that Stalinism is ultimately a right wing ideology masquerading as communist, not even talking about Juche.

>Veeky Forums why are [INSERT GROUP IN SOCIETY] so into [SWEEPING GENERALISATION]?

Every single time.

How was Nazi Germany and Pinochet's Chile devoid of morality?

oh yeah, not like we got anything else to feel sentimental about

I think he's hinting at extra-judicial killings, but in Germany's case it's explicitly ingrained into society with the Führerprinzip.

Well state sanctioned murder is pretty immoral.

>literally ruins
Way to prove the theory right.

So is rome with its fighting pits and slave economy.

not to mention modern examples like Duterte, Putin and Trump.
>muh rule of law and muh family values!
Trump has a mail order bride, grabs wimen by the pussy and pisses on russian whores.
Yo know that he is a degenerate, you know he is racist, but you just play the fool and go on. that's how fascism works.

huh?
N koreans don't even claim to be commies anymore.
Stalin, well i don't know. i think he was a proper communist, but maybe too pragmatic for the world's sake.

>Trump has a mail order bride
How is that immoral?

>pisses on russian whores
Fake news.

;)

The artist forgot the several watches around the guys arms.

>Three years (1923, 1929, 1930) represent 2 decades

>Trump has a mail order bride
What the fuck? Is this actually true?

Nah, stalinism is pretty much right wing. There's the orderly society, the totalitarian system, the leader cult, strong nationalism and patriotism, recreation of imperial Russian glamor out of nostalgic sentiment and glory, it's actually quite similar to fascism.

The only explicitly leftist thing about Stalinism was the forced collectivization - but then again, remember the original right wingers were hardline reactionaries who often yearned to go back to feudalism, which isn't all that different from the kolkhoz shit.

>>Trump has a mail order bride
>How is that immoral?
That and grabbing women by the pussy, and buying them furniture in order to make them cheat their husband is certainly not in line with traditional family values or christianity in any way.
let's see your mental gimnastics tho

Fuck you are so sensitive.
Did the american state and its immoral aspects suddenly change when trump came intp office?
The wife of ceausescu was pretty degenerate too and spend shitton of money on frivioulous things, I guess thats how leftism in general works right mr. sweeping generalisation?

God this election made you all so deliciously assmad.

Yes, he also has a piss fetish.

Try reading Otto Strasser's "Hitler and I" essay which sums up what a complete shithole Weimar Germany was and why he felt the need to implement socialism.

Yeah, Stalin even criminalized abortion and homosexuality

1970's Moscow was pretty good.

Much better than NYC at the time.

No, literally, how is it immoral? So he married a woman from abroad, I don't know what the fuck is immoral about that.

>hey read this essay by a well known nazi who proves Weimar Germany was awful!

c'mon son

Not an argument.

>herp derp he was a nazi so his opinion doesn't count
If it makes you feel any better Hitler kicked him out of the party and Goebbels called him German public enemy #1 after he went to exile.

desu practically everyone said it was shit and the people didnt elected radical fringe partys for shit and giggles. The whole artscape of germany, be it poems or paintings shifted dramatically to the dirty and grotesque dominated by themes of poverty, decadence and war.
The german upperclass did fetishpartys, drank and unwrapped mummys imported from egypt and stuff like that during partys at midnight to fight their boredrom while new religions and occultism along the political and architectural innovations flourished.
Weimar was crazy and awesome and it was horrible for the average man under the thin sheet of glory.

People didn't elect shit. NSDAP only became popular by 1932 btw

divorced lots of times. married a model to show her off. cheats on her.
do you think Melania married an old fat fart out of love?
seriously how is this in line with traditional christian family values?

>This isn't a bitchy meta thread as much as it is a question: Why are leftists attracted to social decay and chaos like flies to shit?
Gee, comparing leftists to flies and what they value to shit sure doesn't make you sound like bitching and being meta-thready.

>traditional christian family values?
Christianity is literally my wife's son: the religion, it's family values are degenerate as shit.

Even before NSDAP was really popular there was a series of radical communist violence sweeping through Germany, several reactionary coup attempts, von Kahr's attempts of Bavarian separatism, absolute instability among the conservatives which almost made them declare martial law on several ocassions, etc.

I don't even like Hitler all that much but still admire him for hammering this abhorrent mess of a state into a functional country.

>people didnt elect shit
You had a nearly-commi revolution and the nsdap got already a temporary ban in 1922.
Just because people dont vote a party in to 88% overnight does not mean they were drawn to radicalism due to insecurity and poverty.

I'm talking specifically about Melania not about Trump's past at large. How was marrying her degenerate or immoral?

ah, so you have an edgy pagan religion or are you an atheist?
he bought her. his marriage is purely a commercial transaction.

There are no family values in Christianity, it's actually downright absurd that modern Christians adopted such a position. I mean just read the New Testament:

>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
>Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.
>And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.


Where in the fuck do you see "family values" in this?

They had the best silent cinema

>he bought her
What is she, a slave? She married him beause he was rich and could provide for their children and he married her because she was beautiful and healthy. What in the actual fuck is degenerate about this, you're completely reaching.

Im not even christian and you are ripping shit out fo context its embarassing.
If daddy and mummy are filthy fucking heathens fuck em, if they are christian see old testament stuff about respect your elders, dont whore, dont adult etc.

I'm honestly at the point where I think people should just ignore art completely, especially pop cultural shit.

Recently I've witnessed a bunch of liberals comparing Trump to Voldemort and Darth Vader and saying it's okay to punch "nazis" because Indiana Jones and Captain America did so. They're literal manchildren who get their opinions from movies and comic books aimed at kids.

>old testament family values
>impregnate your dead brother's wife
>father-daughter incest
Right.

New Testament literally tells you to abandon your own family if they're not Biblical and that your real family are the believers regardless of blood ties.

You know all those weird cults where a kid runs off to a secluded, devout community away from his/her parents to follow some preacher and wait until the end of the world? Turns out it's not so weird after all, this is literally based on the teachings of Jesus.

Don't forget about polygamy. How did Christians come to condemn polygamy when like half of the patriarchs and monarchs in the Bible had literal fucking harems full of wives?

this is about putting god before family, to go a step forward from tribalism. also you could argue that by spreading the word, jesus knew that it was going to cause turmoil.

NSDAP phenomenon is actually very similar to Trump phenomenon. And by that I don't mean that Trump = Hitler, but that Trump voter = Hitler voter. They're both economically destitute, mostly rural people who've been shit on by their own governments for several decades.

They only really cared about the New Testament

>grabs women by the pussy

Has any heterosexual non-virgin man not touched a pussy?

>Even before NSDAP was really popular
Bullshit.

It was between 0-6% during most of its existence.

Your reading comprehension is really shit. I meant before NSDAP got popular.

Well, your bad, since you made errors in interpunctuation (missing comma) and it could've been read both ways.

It's nevertheless an interesting point to make. The NSDAP was actually declining (2,8%, down from 3%, down from 6%) before the worldwide financial crisis hit.

Eh, America is absolutely resistant against actual dictatorship though and the voters know this. They all knew the guy steps down at latest after 8 years, how are they like Hitlervoters if only the "I wanna upset the establishment!" and "I like a strongman!" aspects are served as this is a pretty universal phenomenum. French military parades stem from the same basic desire and cultural outlook as all military parade. Comparing it to a northkorean parade would still be deemed insulting to the french by most people.

Because they're stupid.

Stupid people die.

Read it again. I'm talking about voters, not about Trump himself. Trump is pretty much just a run off the mill generic capitalist who literally shitposted his way into the office, but his genius is that he tapped into the forgotten demographic that actually constitutes most of the nation, while Hillary was campaigning like she was running for the president of California and not the United States.

>Read it again
>but that Trump voter = Hitler voter.

Dude, you talked explicitly about both, dont be so lofty just because you think every word I write is in absolute opposition to you or whatever you think.

>(2,8%,
2,6%*

I don't feel sentimental for anything in the Holocene era

I would legit rather live in 1970s new york and jack off in a porn cinema than be in new york today

>jack off in a porn cinema
Yeah that tells me what kind of person you are.

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