Why sub-saharan Africans weren't able to domesticate local wildlife...

What a fucking tard

Heh, I'm sure some local wildlife managed to domesticate the africans.

>Sub-saharan Africa was culturally isolates from Europe and Asia, so they missed out.
There are reports from early traders in South Africa that talk about South-African herding sheep and cattle. Archeological findings suggest the same. In the cape region of Africa, herding domesticated animals has been around for thousands of years.

I wonder how many people died trying to take the Auroch

>Nobody has every domesticated zebras. people have tamed zebras, never domesticated them. Same deal with elephants.

Simply because whitey didnt remain in Africa long enough for it to happen

>kill mammoth because stone spears and shiz
>killing auroch no big deal
>look its calf is left behind
>let's not eat the calf because we just killed its mother and have lots of food and it can be made to follow us around

>weren't able to domesticate local wildlife
They did. Cattle, guineafowl, etc.

Pathetic
Meanwhile Europeans domesticated FUCKING AUROCHS

Europeans did not. Anatolians did. Also Sub-Saharan Africans independently domesticated cattle so that's a moot fucking point. Fuck off back to

Europeans did.

>Cows
Domesticated around the Mesopotamian region
>dogs
Domesticated in Europe
>horses
Domesticated in Kazakhstan
>sheep
Domesticated in Anatolia

Europeans did NOT domesticate cattle.

>>dogs
Domesticated in Europe
This will trigger the nigger, who's only experience with dogs is being mauled by German Shepards after committing a felony.

>>dogs
>Domesticated in Europe

We actually don't know where or when dogs were first domesticated.

They did domesticate fucking Auroch though

They didn't. They killed them all though :^)

>fucking auroch
Domesticated in Europe

The only thing we're sure is that it wasnt in Africa lol

I don't get it

We had cows, sheep, goats, chickens, cats, and dogs. And horses where the climate allowed.

What does it matter to you that we didn't ride fuckin' giraffes?

Why didn't asians ride pandas?

>What does it matter to you that we didn't ride fuckin' giraffes?
Missed moment of awesome

>Why didn't asians ride pandas?

They ride elephants, which you never managed to do

>inb4 Hannibal
Carthagianians were phoenicians from Greece, not noggers

*asian elephants

If you're a millet farmer in the sahel, why go to the trouble of trying to ride a raging bull elephant when you have horses? What's the benefit?

Although I should point out that the Ethiopians did use war elephants. The docile northern variety from the Maghreb.

>The aurochs, which ranged throughout much of Eurasia and Northern Africa during the late Pleistocene and early Holocene, is the wild ancestor of modern cattle. Archaeological evidence shows that domestication occurred independently in the Near East and the Indian subcontinent between 10,000 and 8,000 years ago, giving rise to the two major domestic taxa observed today: humpless Bos taurus (taurine) and humped Bos indicus (zebu), respectively. This is confirmed by genetic analyses of matrilineal mitochondrial DNA sequences, which reveal a marked differentiation between modern B. taurus and B. indicus haplotypes, demonstrating their derivation from two geographically and genetically divergent wild populations
>Archaeological evidence shows that domestication occurred independently in the Near East and the Indian subcontinent between 10,000 and 8,000 years ago
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2822870/
And

>Domestication of the aurochs began in the southern Caucasus and northern Mesopotamia from about the sixth millennium BC. Genetic evidence suggests that aurochs were independently domesticated in India and possibly also in northern Africa

pnas.org/content/93/10/5131

>Domestication of the aurochs began in the southern Caucasus
>Caucasus
>Caucasian
>White
>European

Based Europeans domesticating fucking aurochs

Donkeys and Camels were domesticated by Africans.

Niggers, as a rule of thumb, are pretty dumb in general and thus not able to create civilization

No, the Phoenicians were from modern Lebanon, you silly goose.

While zebras look like horses, they don't have the same social structures as horses that allow them to be domesticated. Horses have a pecking order, alpha males, and a clear social hierarchy. A human is merely the alpha male, all other's fall suit with what the human does.

Zebras don't have this. They merely stay together because it's advantageous (there is a reason they have stripes.) They mate with whoever they want to and don't give a shit about status. A human couldn't place it'self into their society because they don't have one.

Do you even know where the Caucasus region is? Here is a hint

>Why sub-saharan Africans weren't able to domesticate local wildlife?
Becasue sub-saharan Africans are the local wildlife.

Its' actually the opposite problem. Horses have a fluid pecking order based on which male seems the strongest at the time.

Zebras have a much stricter social structure that's based on birth order.

Caucasian includes Middle Easterners/North Africans, Indians (who also have Dravidian blood) and people from the Horn of Africa (who also have Sub-Sarahan/Bantu blood

Also it's the Caucasus region is kind of Europe AND Asia (Armenia and Azerbaijan are included in both depending who is talking)

>he thinks Caucasus isn't Europe

Horses were almost certainly domesticated by predecessor groups to Indo european cultures

>places are Europe if it suits my argument

How the fuck is Caucasus not Europe you fucking retard? Are you American or something?

>he thinks protoindoeuropean and European are the same thing

God you're dumb.

>dur hur your stewpid!

Considering how most modern europeans carry their dna and indo europeans inhabited the boundaries of modern europe, gave most modern Europeans their language, I'd say indo euopeans fall under european

>reddit spacing

Caucasus is about as European as Turkey and North Africa

They did

indiana.edu/~origins/teach/TWdom_animal.pdf

>>horses
>Domesticated in Kazakhstan
Borat, please!

the caucasus has always been its own separate sphere from the rest of Europe, some parts of it that are christian today actually got islam before christianity

By your own image only half the Caucasus region is European.

horses large enough to ride come from central asia, idk about the first domesticated horses though

The camel was domesticated in East Africa which is sub saharan

science.sciencemag.org/content/323/5919/1332

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_horse

> implying the modern Europeans didn't bring the animals with them into Europe
> implying Europeans have been static populations if Europe for the last 8000 years
> implying

as was the goat, cow, and horse

This question is retarded

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horro_(cattle)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssinian_Shorthorned_Zebu

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_horses

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaldi

>sub saharan
No, the most ancient trade in East Africa was between Arabia, Sumeria, and East Africa.

East Africa is not Sub Saharan Africa. There is plenty of Eurasian Admixture in East Africa before 1000BC.

Consider Madagascar, it sits just off the coast of Africa, no Africans migrated there or to any island around Africa.

Around the 3rd century BC a bunch of Asians from Borneo migrated down the coast and colonized Madagascar, they brought the Blacks to the island, today there is barely any resemblance to the Borneo people in the features of the people, except in the highlands where they look less negroid.

Blacks just weren't very innovative. They were a little cut off from the rest of the world for quite some time, living hunter gatherer lifestyles in isolation.

Anatolia was European before a bunch of Muslims took it over.

Anatolia was home to the Early European Farmers who migrated throughout Europe.

If whitey remained long enough he would make them exticnt instead.

Mount Elbrus, the tallest mountain in EUROPE is in the CAUCASUS.

You're dumb.

>They were a little cut off from the rest of the world for quite some time, living hunter gatherer lifestyles in isolation.

Southern africa yes

West and East no

How the fuck do you think the bantu spread from west africa to uganda to Zimbabwe?

The developed agriculture and complex civilizations.

researchgate.net/publication/235410801_A_developmental_history_of_West_African_agriculture

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution#Agriculture_in_Africa

No shit they wouldn't colonize Madagascar when the Cushites were nowhere near and the Bantu had barely migrated close when colonization took place

The Proto-Indo-Europeans were from modern day Ukraine, so yes, horses were domesticated by Europeans.

>literally south of the Sahara
>"nu-no, that's not subsaharan!"

>East Africa is not Sub Saharan Africa. There is plenty of Eurasian Admixture in East Africa before 1000BC.

Its below the saharan desert therefore sub saharan

>But the Native Cushites are very genetically distinct and not closely related to the West Africans

>and they have significant eurasian admixture on top of that dating back before the advent of agriculture

Has nothing to do with them not being sub-saharan

If you mean West and Central Africa then say it

Eurasians migrated into the Sahel in the Neolithic bringing Northern influence to them.

The reason Africans were so fucked up is complicated.

Firstly, Lake Mega Chad dried up and the environment turned into a desolate desert.

Now if this had happened in Europe, or East Asia, then would the Eurasians or East Asians have developed to the state they are in now?

The destruction of the climate of the Sahara had devastating effects on the peoples of the Sub Sahara.

Agriculture spread into Africa from Eurasia. There is a reason that all cows in Africa are from Eurasia.

Pastoral peoples from Eurasia spread everything down there.

>sub saharan
That's not what Sub-Saharan means you fucking retard.

>sub-Saharan
>sʌbsəˈhɑːrən/
>adjective
>from or forming part of the African regions south of the Sahara desert.

Did anyone save that bit about how Zebras have tiny fucking brains and giant testicles, leaving them hormone-driven nutcases that are basically impossible to actually train?

>Lake Mega Chad

REEEEE!

You are the most retarded person I've ever met.

Okay, Antarctica is Sub Saharan.

So they're the niggers of the horse specie?

This is a lie, apart from azerbaijan most parts of the caucasus that are muslim today were christians.

Sub-Saharan.... Africa

Jesus Christ kid its what EVERYONE means when they say sub saharan

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan_Africa

East Africa is as divided from the rest and closer to other afro-asiatics. Bantu and Afro-Asiatics are different things.

Sure. But insofar as it's not part of africa, Antarctica is not part of sub-saharan africa.

>Bantu and Afro-Asiatics are different things.

Sub Saharan is not a synonym for Bantu you cretin.

I think the sun cooks their brain; hence they are retarded over there.

that doesn't make it not sub saharan africa

You can just say West and Central

Or Bantu

Because whitey has advanced science and experience with horses. Prehistorical whites would have failed as much as africans

And it was a Greek colony u nincompoop

Antioch was a Greek colony, the Phoenicians were colonists before the Greeks were a thing.

I love the idiots who know nothing about Africa trying to discuss ethnology. They think Bantu is a synonym for black.

I know it's the same shit with Slav.

>Why sub-saharan Africans weren't able to domesticate local wildlife?

You do know large swathes of iFrica was and still is filled with Nomadic-Pastoralist peoples herding cattle around, right?

>before the Greeks were a thing
Okay stop shitposting now.

This is false. Agriculture in Sahel came from dessication. The people who migrated into Sahara during the Neolithic subpluvial were herders but the history of the Sahara and Africa shows long histories of Kreb exploitation. Even in Nubia before eurasian agriculture indigenous barley was collected and eaten.

The formation of the Aqualithic's second stage stopped the first phases exploitation and penning of barbary goat and possibly giraffe but bos africanus was also taken as well. These semi domesticates mixed with Eurasian cattle but the agricultural history of Africa took a very different route that.was local in development.

where did you think whitey got that advanced science and experience with horses? they started with primitive stone age tech and ornery wild horse ancestors.

The fly epidemic that continues to this day makes it difficult. It's somewhat possible to domesticate cheetahs but it's hard to get them to breed in captivity.

Zebras are less social and genetically predisposed to be nigh impossible to domesticate.

Why didn't native Americans domesticate the vicuña into a rideable animal?

/pol/ starts bait thread

/pol/ gets instantly btfo

It's pottery, really...

>this could've been the Lakota with buffalo

For the guys saying nobody knows where the dog/wolf was domesticated, it actually happened many different times in Europe and Asia. For whatever reasons, breeds or domesticated groups were lost over and over again for humans in both regions to domesticate more again.

Dogs nowadays descend from a group of dogs domesticated in Asia, traded all over Europe and Africa; even the European ones share more with that Asian group than with the other European domesticated groups.

you can't domesticate zebras, they lack the social structure that animals like cows or pigs have.

Eurasian pastoral peoples harvested wild grasses also. Archaeology has shown this even on the steppes.

The nomadic Eurasians in the neolithic that migrated into the Sahel also had pottery culture, they harvested the land also, you know, Hunter-Gatherer means Hunters, and Gatherers of fauna.