Americans and their Natives

>90% of them were inevitable going to die due to smallpox
Well, it wouldn't have been inevitable if we'd minded our own business in Europe.

And even if 90% did die, the remaining 10% could have been allowed to eventually repopulate their territory, newly resistant to smallpox. No one forced us to steal all their land from them.

I can't stop thinking about memes.

>On the one hand, Americans fought, killed and relocated the native populations, often without mercy. Entire tribes were genocided.
>The natives were treated like subhumans, like their cultures were garbage.
We conquered them. Any other nation with the power to do so would have. Also, we didn't genocide them. They just weren't immune to our diseases.

Latin Americans are natives, they just speak Spanish.
I mean, genetically, most are majority native. They just beat down on the primitives still living as if the Spanish had never come.

>Well, it wouldn't have been inevitable if we'd minded our own business in Europe.
And then the Chinese would've conquered them, and they'd have been even worse off.
They were weak. People in the old world were strong. They should've gotin gud.
>And even if 90% did die, the remaining 10% could have been allowed to eventually repopulate their territory, newly resistant to smallpox. No one forced us to steal all their land from them.
It's not theft, we conquered it.

>tsundre

they were shoved into the Oklahoma Territory and forgotten about

>But on the other hand, Americans seem to love the natives. They name states, cities, towns, helicopters, ships, university sporting teams and even themselves after the natives. They sexualize them, and tell tales of Noble Savages worthy of being won over as friends. Many boast of having distant blood connections to this or that tribe.

Outside of 50s era westerns, no. This is especially obvious in the most indian-rich parts of the country which have Spanish names (San Francisco, El Cerritto, Lodi, Los Banos, Modesto, Los Angeles, San Diego).

Injuns are a mostly dead people, the only exception are Navajo and only because they have coal mines and plants which sell power to Socal Edison.

>I think you'd be shocked to find that your average person, outside of basements and away from academia, hardly even know their own lineage much less give a fuck about who their great great great grandfather impregnated.

It was a bigger deal 50 years ago when such racial characteristics could determine your college placement or your position within a company. People have to cover all their bases and if they don't get sunburned they have to find an excuse or people above them will assume the worst.

Assuming you're right about the chinese, which I'm skeptical of, if Europeans had established mutually respectful trade and communication with the native Americans instead of conquering them, they could have had technology to defend themselves.

And let me get this straight. If you're walking down the street, and I jump out of the bushes and club you over the head then take all your stuff while you're unconscious, that's theft. But if a thousand people come into your town, club everyone over the head and take over the town, that's morally different and acceptable because it's "conquest." Yeah, that makes tons of sense.

The "positive" stuff started after WW1 when injun languages were useful amongst radio operators, same for WW2. In the 1950s they were popularized in westerns. Worth noting: wagon burners had an easier time getting jobs than Mexicans. This was because while both were known for their alcoholism and laziness, the former were always American citizens.

Now, you also go into things like war.
Why is it okay to kill or steal from a group of people, but not an individual?
The answer is, that the group of people are also out for their own gain, and would do the same to you.

>feeling sorry for doing bad things is distinctly Protestant attribute
Damn, you make the non-Protestant world sound like a bunch of major assholes.

Those are the ones they should be following not continuing being cucks larping as spaniards. I'd like to see their temples being built again and used rather than churches. Kinda like what thry did in Iceland.

>Worth noting: wagon burners had an easier time getting jobs than Mexicans. This was because while both were known for their alcoholism and laziness, the former were always American citizens.

Wrong. It wasn't until like, the 60s I think that Indians gained American citizenship.

And, up until the civil rights era, Spanish speakers were considered 'colored', and thus legally the same status as blacks. Back of the bus kind of stuff.

>wrong
>i think
lol

>How to die out as an ethnicity, the post
Modern man really is patheticX

>collective guilt
>sins of our fathers
>victory is something to be sorrowful for
Yeah, most of the world is too busy to be that retarded and abstract.

>Why does America have such a tsundere history and relationship with their indigenous peoples?

because Americans have never been monolithic.

>I mean, genetically, most are majority native.

> they tend to use them for tourist purposes
well in the US the natives run casinos
> to stir a historical and romanticized nationalist sentiment
yet we haven´t reached mountaincarving stage

Just give us the sauce already

Is that not true?

depends on the country, but about 30% of latin americans are ***pure*** natives

post some more o that PUSSY! :)

i would inseminate and impregnate with my MEXICAN demon seed. ;)
>.< if you know what i mean xD

Is 3/10 not a significant minority?

not really since they are not politically organized, except in Bolivia and Ecuador maybe, where there are indian parties in parlament

minority majority what's the difference?

Never forget
especially that last paragraph, wew

>Throughout American history, there has been frequent mixing between Native Americans and black Africans. When Native Americans invaded the European colony of Jamestown, Virginia in 1622, they killed the Europeans but took the African slaves as captives, gradually integrating them. Interracial relationships occurred between African Americans and members of other tribes along coastal states. During the transitional period of Africans becoming the primary race enslaved, Native Americans were sometimes enslaved with them. Africans and Native Americans worked together, some even intermarried and had mixed children. The relationship between Africans and Native-Americans was seen as a threat to Europeans and European-Americans, who actively tried to divide Native-Americans and Africans and put them against each other.[32]

>During the 18th Century, some Native American women turned to freed or runaway African men due to a major decline in the male population in Native American villages. At the same time, the early slave population in America was disproportionately male. Records show that some Native American women bought African men as slaves. Unknown to European sellers, the women freed and married the men into their tribe. Some African men chose Native American women as their partners because their children would be free, as the child's status followed that of the mother. The men could marry into some of the matrilineal tribes and be accepted, as their children were still considered to belong to the mother's people. As European expansion increased in the Southeast, African and Native American marriages became more numerous.[33]

Hol up....

>demographics need political organization to be a sizable minority
Wew. Next you'll tell me racism is privilege + power.

explains why they became jobless,voilent addicts

as opposed too?

50/50
white guilt/lacking any root to their homeland or actual culture being euros on the other side of the atlantic

Why do big tits make me happy?

It's only detached east coasters who fetishize and love the natives. I'm from Nebraska and my ancestors considered natives to be worse than plagued rats, especially those Lakota degenerates.

they run casinos because they have tribal rights that undermine federal gambling laws

Wait, which ones?

As an American, I know practically nothing about the natives. And unless they've personally gone out of their way to study their history and culture, I think most of my peers would say the same. The only time I can remember learning about them in school was in the 5th grade and we barely covered it. I would say the average American's view of the natives today is probably very apathetic. I am admittedly pretty apathetic towards them myself.

I mean, I don't dislike them for any reason. They're human beings who deserve the same basic rights as the rest of us. I think it was wrong to genocide them and it's nice that we give them reservations to live on now, but I don't really know anything about them, hence the apathy.

pretty much this. Liberals fetishize the natives based entirely of disney's Pocahontas, and dances with wolves, and their "spiritualist" friend Raven who is totally 1/16th cherokee despite her blond hair and blue eyes. If they where forced to deal with them on a daily basis these stylized notions would evaporate instantly.

The reservations I have seen are seething cesspools that make the south side of Chicago look like a utopia. There are no family's, just a horde of single mothers with a gaggle of six kids from six fathers, all suffering from Fetal alcohol syndrome, and so mentally deficient they are incapable of bettering themselves at this point. They live in squalid trailers, never cleaning or caring for their upkeep because they know they can always abandon their current home and move into a new government provided one free of charge. huge swaths of the Res are trailer junkyards, with abandoned trailers left to rot for years before government bureaucrats get around to removing them, only to be replaced by more.

I get that it's not the fault of these indians for the circumstances they live in, hell if I where born into it I would be just the same. But that doesn't make them any more fixable, how can you hope to rehabilitate a society that has no sense of family and whose members are all barely functionally retarded? I think it would have been kinder to have wiped them out entirely long ago, or forcefully integrate them into our society, rather than leave them to become the pathetic ghost of a culture they now are.

And 50% are probably mixed natives and Iberians.

>BLACKED

Hans Staden
youtube.com/watch?v=JQZpBEKVuP8

This german guy went to South America with the Portuguese and was captured by the Tupinambás (allies of the french).

Como Era Gostoso o Meu Frances
youtube.com/watch?v=ZmTPHXeCDUg

French guy captured by Tupiniquins (Portuguese's allies).

>But on the other hand, Americans seem to love the natives. They name states, cities, towns, helicopters, ships, university sporting teams and even themselves after the natives.
>They sexualize them, and tell tales of Noble Savages worthy of being won over as friends. Many boast of having distant blood connections to this or that tribe.
This is mostly the result of white Americans trying to dodge guilt for taking the land by force. Most people really aren't comfortable with that part of history, so it's generally glossed over and Indians get romanticized so people can feel better that they like them now. Claiming Native ancestry works pretty much the same way; a lot of white Americans in general grasp at their ancestry for an idea of culture, and claiming Native ancestry makes them both more interesting and more tied to America (in their minds, at least).

Basically, Americans pretend to like the Natives now so they don't have to feel guilty about their past.

Correction. KEKED Americans do such things.

Lets try this again. CKEKED Americans do such things.

Correction. CUUCKED Americans do such things.

kek :^)

We all fucking knew what you meaned by KEKED.
You didn't need to try to bypass the filter.
This kind of stuff is so stupid. Like people typing tbqh or famalam. Just let it filter. I mean, everyone already understands what it means, and it's completely cancerous to use this niggerspeech, though you may be forgiven if it's filtered, since at least the filtered versions are used for irony, as well as by redditors.

I can feel sorry for winning, but that doesn't mean I want to stop winning. It sucks that we have to ethnically cleanse our nations soon, but I won't weep.

>if Europeans had established mutually respectful trade and communication with the native Americans instead of conquering them, they could have had technology to defend themselves

You realize that if we had done that, we would just have had another Africa, right? That's what Spain did with their Native Americans, and they now have some of the worst countries on the planet next to African countries. The fact is if you provide uncivilized people with the weapons of civilization, their natures don't change.

>If you're walking down the street, and I jump out of the bushes and club you over the head then take all your stuff while you're unconscious, that's theft. But if a thousand people come into your town, club everyone over the head and take over the town, that's morally different and acceptable because it's "conquest." Yeah, that makes tons of sense.

It depends on who we are. The fact is that the entire world cannot live in peace and harmony. It's the simple fact of the prisoners dilemma: in mutual cooperation, the only logical strategy is to defect. The only time this doesn't apply is when you share utility, as in the case of related peoples, who share genetic utility, and you have a common enemy. Morality can only be guided by genetic interest, because the life that maximizes genetic interest is the only life that inherits the earth.

So the answer is, if you jump me on the street and we are co-ethnics (who are highly related), that is morally wrong. But if you jump me on the street and we are sufficiently distantly related that we do not share genetic utility, then you are morally in the right, as you are secure the future for your people rather than mine.

We also name places after the natives. I think we are / were just lazy at coming up with names

>disease
>genocide

Native Americans didnt do a thing in the USA key word USA so all of you Aztecfags shut up. I mean the USA is vast and these retards talk about white people oppressing them just fucking move to another location idiot.

>doesn't like collective guilt but is perfectly fine with taking credit for something he took no part in
You're dumb.

it's called cognitive dissonance.

Most of the names were adopted from Indian cultures during the first settlement of north America because place names are naturally static and don't change easily. It wasn't really done out of any admiration of the natives. People started liking the Indians in the 20th century because by then they weren't a threat anymore. There were no roaming bands of wild people on the great plains, they were either assimilated, settled on reservations, or dead. At that point they just seemed like neat reminders of a bygone era, a relic of a time when America was more wild and thrilling.

I guess personally I just feel pity for them. It seems like every year an Indian language goes extinct as its last speaker dies, and doubt there are any pure blood Indians left. Many of the citizens of the tribal nations less than 10% native by DNA. And of course there's the crushing poverty, alcoholism, and suicide found on the reservations. They were dealt a rough hand by the universe.

So all of you people who are fine with the conquest of the americas must also be fine with pic related right? I mean, might makes right, doesn't it?

You can bitch all you like, I'm not going to be all that upset about the conquests that allow me to have an easy and pleasant existence here. Besides, most of the indians died to disease, not swords or bullets.

Doesn't mean we're fine with it, just that there's fuck all we can do about it unless we conquer it back.