Can we get a thread on WW2 Japan?

>Pearl Harbor was a mistake
Americans deserved it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ships#Gunboat_diplomacy

questions of "who deserved what" are best left for the editorial columns

best to content yourself with analysis of what happened and why rather than trying to pass judgment on things

American were allied with Japan during WW2 before the attacks. French ambassador even thanked Japanese government because the US were neutral before this, and they now had a casus belli against the Axe. Japanese attacking the US by surprise was probably one of the worst military mistakes ever.

History of moe illustration is Otaku Culture™, right? I hope OP wouldn't mind.

Be careful, the touhou autists will lose it when kancolle is present in more than one thread

So here's a small article about cute drawn girls in a military newspaper that sailors would read.

acj.sblo.jp/article/64828739.html

Supposedly this is battleship Haruna...

The original kanker.

...and this is heavy cruiser Kumano.

This is not a Kancolle thread.
But how did this became this this ? I wish there was an anime/game with Japanese warship which don't turn them into stupid moe girls.

There are. You just cant be bothered looking.

it reminds me of a star destroyer.

Japan could've carved out their co-prosperity sphere if they had simply not attacked the US. isolationism was strong up until then, and the British weren't even a challenge. another mistake was invading China, which I think was like invading Russia -- they should've been content with Manchuria and a few other possessions.

as it was, Japan simply could not keep up with the might of our industrial/military complex. advantages they had early on were lost, as our airforce got better and they ran low on zero pilots, etc.

Japan tried military conquest and lost, then tried economic dominance and got stagnated, then switched to cultural dominance, where they're winning. you have to admit, they have tenacity.

addendum, of course Japan is a major economy and one of the Big Four currencies. they're also gradually resurging militarily through Abe's reforms. I was just tracing out the basic pattern.

the USA put an embargo for oil on the japanese, they sure as hell weren't their friends before pearl harbor and they even expected an attack, just not at pearl harbor but in the phillipines.

According to the mods military otakuism doesn't exist. I've had my thread deleted and been warned for off topic posts when I posted something about aircraft.

Generals and /e/-lite threads are the only safe threads that don't come with a chance of deletion and ban.

>still Using Western warships
>not Using exclusively Japanese Warships

If you're a military otaku, you don't go to /jp/, you go to /k/.
If you're a train otaku, you don't go to /jp/, you go to /n/.
If you're a history otaku, you don't go to /jp/, you go to Veeky Forums.
If you're a photo otaku, you don't go to /jp/, you go to /p/.
If you're a bird otaku, you don't go to /jp/, you go to /an/.
If you're an idol otaku, you don't go to... Oh, wait.

Ram it home girls, ram it home.

youtube.com/watch?v=iwLyIMqfbf0

Day of the Dauntless.

youtube.com/watch?v=JzFr-uNTXxc

>the crew considered it would be a dishonor for the Yamato to go down in history as a hotel. They sailed to Okinawa. The idea was that, upon arriving on Okinawan shores, they ram into the battleship into the land and turn it into an undestroyable fortress. The crew would live off of the resources on the islands and surrender only upon running out of ammunitions
Why does WW2 consistently bring out the stupidest threads? Yamato's crew did not make that decision. They were ordered.

>American were allied with Japan during WW2 before the attacks.
This is the dumbest thing I read on Veeky Forums.

The Kongo class was designed by a Brit.

Personally I prefer their British counterpart.

They also predicted an attack on Wake Island. One of the two carriers (I'm blanking on which one and too lazy to look it up) wasn't at Pearl precisely because they were delivering aircraft to help shore up the defenses at Wake.

It attracts massive amounts weaboos and wehraboos.

Was this thread moved from /jp/?

kek

yup

Ah, that's why the tone of the posters seemed somewhat off, that ain't Veeky Forumsspeak...
The Pagoda mast was aesthetic af. Made the IJN Battleships look like spaceships.

Tbh pagodas are pretty high up there when it comes to things that will make a boat ugly.

Been a while since I've last seen a thread getting moved.

Really? Don't you like a huge, towering, sci fi control centre on top of your naval gun platform?

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Kongo was built in the UK, her sister ships in Japan

>I personally like the Kongô class.

The Kongo's ended up being the most successful battleships the Japanese ever had.

/thread

It is pretty sad when your most successful dreadnoughts are couple monkey models designed by Brits.

Well, to be fair, the ships were extensively upgraded by the time WW2 rolled around. To the point where you could almost argue that they were completely new ships. The propulsion system was completely overhauled, radar was added, they received their distinctive pagoda masts, anti-aircraft guns were added, and additional armor was added on, allowing them to be reclassified from "battlecruisers" to "fast battleships."

Even after their up armoring claiming that they now were fast battleships instead of battlecruisers was rather optimistic move from IJN's part.

come to /trash/ more

Nah, I'm more of a mansionman myself.

Kongou-class' rebuilds weren't really that radical or massive when compared to some other vintage WW1 boats and rebuilds that they received. For example Renowns gained extra 3 inches of belt armor during their rebuilds and Conte di Cavours turned from 22 knot ships with 5 x 2 305mm guns to 27 knot ships with 4 x 2 320mm guns.

And the Bayern class received an entirely new superstructure and a 9 knot increase in speed.

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>Kongo class
HOL UP

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>If you're an idol otaku, you don't go to /jp/, you go to hell
fixed

To be fair, the CdCs just got their guns bored out instead of an actual replacement.

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season two when?

You cant just leave port without proper scort.

>be in a tight spot
>waste precious resources on building a one-off prototype destroyer instead of using them in building more of already existing destroyer designs

It was a testbed for a new experimental steam turbine.
It was completed in 1943, which was not that bad as to think everything was lost.

>spend most of the war by playing a floating officer's club
>then get thrown away on a pointless suicide mission just so that some old farts can feel like their honor has been saved

Hotel had a hard life.

Who is this boner owner

A high grade seabird grill from Nippon.

>Contact, starbord, 5-0, bear 3-0, moving slow, huge propella noise Captain.
>Hello again you fat steel cow

>The age of battleships last less than a century

They were a total waste. The only real battle of battleships that occured was the Jutland battle, which ended in an embarrassing stalemate.

Alright. Then the aftermath of the battle of Nankin. Right here >

>The only real battle of battleships that occured was the Jutland battle
Why are you even on a history board?

If you define "battleships" more broadly to include ships of the line then it lasted for centuries.

Things like the Danemark strait battle aren't "real" battle to me, just skirmishes, with small forces.

I suppose they meant "steel battleships"

Tsushima. You're an idiot.

Enterprise was delivering aircraft to Wake and Lexington was delivering aircraft to Midway

>tfw all those dreadnoughts were rendered obsolete outside of shore bombardment roles in less than 30 years

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>The only real battle of battleships that occured was the Jutland battle

That's extremely wrong BTW.

Those recoloured photos are amazing. Keep dumping them.

how do those not flip over

Because everything underneath them is so heavy.

They did, constantly. That's why gundams were invented, so the IJN could have them grab the pagoda and flip them back normally.

Masterful engineering.

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It's pronounced iou-to (硫黄島), stop appropriating Japanese culture.

Lol, the idea of the dreadnought was already outdated by WWII. There's a reason it sunk to a shit ton of planes, not another boat.

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