If gender is partially determined in the mind why can't somebodies mental gender differ from their bodily sex?

Someone's mental gender CAN differ from their sex.

It's just that it has to be something that is associated with the categories that already exist, e.g masculine or feminine, because outside of those categories there is an intrinsic chaos without any sort of logical, rational or biological underpinnings.

Everyone knows that there exists masculine women, however rare they are. But nobody accepts pseudo-intellectual categories created by leftists in an academic setting.

K dudebro. Countless scientists disagree with you but you can keep wallowing in ignorance bigot.

Which scientists?

I've never heard any scientist give a good argument of anything approaching non-binary gender categories.

There is a difference between the character you're playing and your whole mind. Just because you're imitating Lucille Ball doesn't mean you were born with a woman's brain.

What is gender? What you are on the feminine/masculine ratio?
It certainly wouldn't determine your man/woman status, anyway, as your sex does that.
If you are more feminine than you are masculine, but your sex is male, then you are still a man, just a feminine one.

And please, cite this "science."

Gender discussions are a pointless banter for formulaic identity politics. It is more so about excluding others from your personal wants than creating an accurate depiction of human sexuality.

For want is more about the act than being, e.g. Getting aroused as opposed to being aroused, and we should only refer to sexual preferences instead of so sexually fixated politics of identity where our carnality is presented as a person's focal point.

>If you are more feminine than you are masculine, but your sex is male, then you are still a man, just a feminine one.

/thread

I don't see why they can't accept this.
I hate trannies, because they spout this bullshit about gender, when you simply can't change your sex, and have a huge defense forse to call us all bigots for recognizing that, but I certainly don't mind feminine man, masculine women, or gays.
If you wanna wear a dress, that's fine, just recognize that you are still a man in a dress.

Transexuals are perfectly fine in my book, because they are actually people who simply want to live as the opposite sex(and will go through the necessary bodily modifications to make that happen).

As opposed to a woman who says "I am a demisexual pan-romantic who goes by the pronouns xir and zhe".

Because they are people who orient their identities primarily through a sense of belonging as part of something/being something. Others do it too, though they don't clash as often with others.

People should really go into themselves, rather than bring something to their selves.

As far as I'm concerned concerned, I'm fine with 4 fenders as a compromise.

Male, Female, Intersex for people with both parts, and Trans for people who are transitioning.

Anything else just seems masturbatory, like you want a group to identity with instead of actually embracing your individuality.

Sexist gender roles are a thing, but people are putting way too much goddamn thought into how they want to wear a dress while being the head of a household.

It's like people want a title for themselves instead of just being themselves. If a dude is a dress is being themselves, and "mannerless cunt" isn't an aspect of their personality, then I'm liable to show them as much courtesy as I can spare.

If I have daughters, imma try and raise tomboys.

Both Genders Matter.

When did this board become so liberal when it comes to gender politics?

Yeah gender is a social construct, but that is exactly why attempting to change your sex is stupid as fuck. People who change their bodily sex are actually enforcing the existence of gender stereotypes not fighting against them. There is literally no reason you should have to look or be born a certain way in order to act a certain way, but the trans community undermines this idea. By changing your physical sex to match your mental gender you are submitting to the theory that gender and sex are highly related. You want to break down gender barriers? Stop conforming to them!

This, the tumblr identity movement is a nice thick wad of spit in the face of people who feel gender dysphoria and seek treatment/transition.

>dudebro
Is that a bias and a severe lack of citations I sense, or am I being baited?

>because they are actually people who simply want to live as the opposite sex(and will go through the necessary bodily modifications to make that happe
But you can't make that happen. You cannot change your sex. And, honestly, I tell tell you I'd fuck a passing tranney with a dick before I'd fuck one without it. It's self-mutilation.

As long as the tranney recognized that he's a feminine man.

has science gone too far?

The only "scientific" masculine/feminine traits are those tied to biology, facial hair, breasts, mood changes affected by hormones. clothes that you wear and whether you like dolls is purely defined by personal preference and societal expectations.

There are no people "with both parts".

There's women with malformed genitalia and men with malformed genitalia. That's what "intersex" means.

Yes. We call that "mental illness".

It's a grammatical cathegory, not human identity.

I feel like an attack helicopter innit

>it's the bimonthly tranny normalization thread

>tfw I'm a shameless tranny chaser and even married one
>tfw I still think it's a retarded mental illness but my dick doesn't care

i think trannys just suffer from genital specific body integration disorder and build on top of it after the fact by saying they want to be a woman, when they really just wanna snip their snake off

transvestites used to be every where who where guys who liked dressing up as woman but didn't want the operation or the hormones and got shouted down by sjws for not being authentic trannies or whatever

t. uninformed pleb gut feeling

1. You can possibly have a different mental gender, but it has to be either Male or Female. You don't get to have the gender of "For God in Heaven" no matter how Deus Vult you are, because genders exist on the basis of sex.
2. Nobody fucking cares about your mental gender, because it's specific to you. People care about your bodily sex, because it is not specific to you.

i'm pretty sure you can have a different mental gender than your fysical one, and i'm totaly fine with people whi identify as somethin in between a woman and a man or non or something.

i just feel that there is a vocal minority(maybe majority i don't acually know) of 12 year old tumblr idiots that take this shit out of proportion. the moment that you say that your gender is something mysterious or feline or some shit is the moment nobody is going to take your whole movement sereous anymore.

>fysical one
>somethin
>i
>sereous
Is this satire

>It's self-mutilation.

So is getting a boob and nose job. It's about as self-mutilating as any body modification is.

They should be able to do what they want as far as I am concerned, and if they pass as the opposite sex, there's no reason for me not to respect that.

That said, I don't respect people who expect me to share in their subjective pronoun fantasies. Just because you don't feel like a man or a woman, doesn't make you any less of a man or a woman.

The most compelling argument I've heard for this is that gender supervenes on sex, and falls on a spectrum with two endpoints.

Which is the only argument. The rest of it is incoherent ideology.

It's caled fat whales who want to get in on the victim market. Same thing with most modern feminists.

What is mental illness?

And that's the only argument you need, you're basically saying that science and definitions don't matter as long as you feel good
It'd be like a kid saying he disagrees with the definition of an integral. Well okay, but nobody cares. He's retarded.

Go check wikipedia.

My question is where in history has there been mention of trans or better said people who would today identify as trans?

This thread is retarded

>Same thing with most modern feminists.
Interesting conclusion. What feminist writers have you read? I'd love to see what works made you think this.

Elagabalus

That one crossdressing roman emperor

And I wouldn't really respect people who got those, either. If they want to cut their dicks off, that's up to them, and, even if they can pass for what they aren't,they still aren't, and I will never "respect" their insanity. If you have XX, I'll call you a woman and use she, if you have XY, I'll call you a man and use he.

what if you have XXY

You're an abomination and I call you it.

Damn that's not very nice
People don't choose to be born with klinefelters you know

If there's a Y it's a guy

Do all transexuals have XXY?

>Feminist "literature"
>Implying the rabid hordes even go as far as to read it
lmao.
I think it's pretty clear what their motives are based on empirical evidence.

sex =/= gender

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Rolling

Go back to tumblr

Roll.

>why can't somebodies mental gender differ from their bodily sex?
Because you cant possibly know how it feels to be the opposite sex. No man will ever know how it feels to menstruate, or have mood swings while pregnant, or the many different experiences a woman has by virtue of her being female.

Why do you think all MtF transexuals want to look like sluts and wear huge amounts of makeup while acting like an obnoxious cunt? Because that's what their mental image of a woman is, a walking cartoon.

Which makes it not surprising that some feminists are against transgenderism. In fact a lot of LGB people dont really consider transexuals their allies, they only associate with them for additional victim points.

Roll?

>In fact a lot of LGB people dont really consider transexuals their allies

I've seen this a lot, too. The infighting makes my head hurt, from an outside perspective.

Here's the real question:

Does fucking traps make you gay?

Roll

Gender ideology was invented by communists to radicalize sexual deviants into being one of the new proletariats for the sake of the revolutionary intelligentsia eternal desire for subversion.

Yes. Also futas. Those are specially gay.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes

Do you like real women, anime women, and anime traps? Or do you go byond that?
I mean, the trap itself is gay, but if you'd never fuck an actual "trap," an actual man, or even fap to an actual trap, an actual man, or an anime man, you're not really gay.
That's my case.
We're not 100% straight, but I'd call it 90/10.

This picture proves the existence of feminine penises

Nah. You are faggot.

>90/10
>900% gay

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"Chick" is a reference to a socially constructed concept.

>defect
The notion of something being a "defect" is a social construct. Nature has no notion of "right or wrong" "should / shouldn't", it just deals in "is / isn't".

Intersex conditions exist. This is an irrefutable fact.

Male and female brains differ. This is an irrefutable fact.

Since both of these are true, and we have accounts from people who describe the symptoms, it's a fact that transsexuals exist. If they don't, you'll have to explain which of the above is not true.

Is it impossible for intersex conditions to occur? Or are male and female brains only different because of socialization?

There is literally nothing wrong with being a social construct

This
Social constructs exist for a reason

This is stupid.
How can only one leg be gay?
If you're leg is a faggot then by default the rest of you is a faggot too because one drop rule.
Also, if one leg is gay then wouldn't you be torn in two because one leg is walking towards a dick while the other is desperately trying to get away?

Rate my logic, dudes.

Preattysound/10

Legs confirmed to be into dick

Depends whether or not you believe in intersex.

Also look at the one with the girl that has one blue arms.
If her arm is into dudes but the rest of her is not then she's not a lesbian because she likes to give handjobs.

What is this fuckery?

>If gender is partially determined in the mind

It's not.

Gender is biological. What you think you are has no bearing on what you actually are.

I'm all for live at let live. If you want to change your physical appearance so as to look like the opposite sex, it's totally fine, and I also think people should respect pronouns. That said, I can't stand people who claim to be neither men nor women, and insist and want their pronouns to be "ze", "sie", "hir", "co" or whatever.

Gender studies isn't science, its a daycare for parents to drop their autist children off at.

>he
>she

>It's about as self-mutilating as any body modification is.
Halting your sexual reproductive system is pretty far off from chopping off your jewish crook nose.

Mentally ill...?
Nigga, he carried around a damned rock because he perceived it as his friend.

They sure as hell do.

broil

This.

>people should respect pronouns
Why?
Pronouns are based on sex, not clothing.

The dudebros are right and Gender was invented by a twisted weirdo who wanted to watch little kids have sex.

Nope. Chick is a slang term for a woman, and is considered somewhat rude in certain social groups when used to describe women.

>Intersex conditions exist. This is an irrefutable fact
They're not a third sex or anything. Just men and women with malformed genitalia.

>Male and female brains differ. This is an irrefutable fact.
But not in the way tumblrfags like to make out. There's difference in size and hormones but not how in they literally "think". No one has a biological imperative to wear dresses and makeup.

>Or are male and female brains only different because of socialization?
Yeah, actually. Neuroplasticity shapes people's brains differently. i.e. different socialisation will shape peoples brains.

Even something as simple as being a cab-driver will quite literally reshape the structure of someones brain.

You are mentally ill.

You have the arrow of causality reversed.

>Everyone knows that there exists masculine women, however rare they are
oh how rare they are

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