What's wrong with Southern Slavs and their idiotic sense of Nationalism?

What's wrong with Southern Slavs and their idiotic sense of Nationalism?

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>no Balkanpill
Disappoint

What's the alternative? Becoming Sweden? There's no middle ground.

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*considers balkpill*

you're a negative person

Grudges from WW2, massive superiority/inferiority complexes.

>grudges from WW2
>WW2
Negro, they were already into full tribal nationalistic warfare a good century before Hitler was even born.

No.
There was some tension in the interwar period, but they've never been to war prior.

the eternal serb

But that's wrong. Most ethnic hatred in Yugoslavia stems from the monarchy of 1918 - 1941. Before that all Yugoslav intellectuals were pan slavists and Serbian Croatian and Muslims villages in Bosnia all stayed out of each other's hair.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Balkan_War

Let me guess, you saw some documentary that talked about """"""ancient hatreds""""""

That's a completely unrelated war.

Unrelated to what?

To the tensions between Croats, Serbs and Muslims.

>25 years ago southern Slavs who all speak the same language and more or less looked alike fought tooth and nail to separate based on nothing more than differences in Christianity and faux Islam
>present day the world is so thoroughly globalized Westerners are actually split on whether or not importing people by the millions from a totally foreign culture who don't speak the language is going to be problematic in the long term

It's surreal how quick shit changes looking back at the Yugoslav wars in today's context it might as well have happened in 1891.

So we wuz TORPEDOS

We wuz civilization

>Bulgarians aren't South Slavs now

They are, but they aren't as closely related as those 3.
Also, i firmly believe that if Bulgaria joined Yugoslavia it wouldn't have broken up. Because of a switched balance of internal political powers.

Big unified ethno states like france and germany are unnatural.

>Vojvodina
Nice meme

>Germany
>unified

>he thinks religions sparked off the war

Vojvodina is the only part of serbia that isn't filled with subhumans.

Sweden is much better than any Eastern European Slavic third-world shithole

Bogomil

After the war all the Serb refugees from Croatia and Kosovo moved to Vojvodina.

Now it's easily the most nationalistic place in Serbia. Only in Vojvodina did Seselj win seats regularly even when he was behind bars.

Empire, or rather a lack of it. Consider this.
The Byzantines, who were largely in control in the Balkans were a Multiethnic superstate who respected ethnic identity and freedom or religion of the imperial subjects. After them, the Ottomans did the same. Now jump to the gradual dissolution of the Ottoman Empire as the nationalist independence movements of the balkanites popped up one by one. Suddenly, the peoples of the Balkans were free, and starting anew and EVERYONE wanted to fill the power gap.

Relativelly new Nation States after 400 years of occupation.
A Greek diplomat in Vietnam asked a village chieftain how come they don't hate Americans and he replies that 10 years of war is not so much for the life of a nation.
Really makes you think...

south slav people never went trough the 1800eds nationalism period like other europeans because they were under foreign rule and so on

the idea of south slavs as a unified thing was in fact their version of nationalism, from ilirian rebirth to monarchist unionism, the notion that they should all unite and form a nation explicitly in the context of getting out from under other larger empires and nations was the key thing

problem is they could only do this after 1918, since serbia only became free in the balkan wars and the rest were all under austria, this was a problem since this way serbia, which at that point is a militaristic monarchy with a absolutist slant, basicaly gets to not-annex the territory of a former enemy, since, formaly, serbs were on the winning side it the war

this combined with the karađorđević being sperglords and the autistic incapacity of most serbs to decide on a difference betveen living in a south slav state and living in a serb empire, made croats and slovenes kind of resentfull and defensive, and serbs blatantly murdering their political leaders then declaring a absolutist dictatorship sure didnt help

so when, trough a long set of political fuckups and eternal anglo influences current year version of germany invaded in 1941 and the nationalist separatists known as ustaše were given power in a new current year version of croatia mostly due to italian lobbying, a lot of what happened was like a sort of overblown payback for 20+ years of dictatorship, except in a sociopathic mass axe-murderer nazi kind of way

>the cuck laughingstocks of the world

this in turn made serbs rather vary and suspicious of croats and bosnians for the next several decades, even if after 1945 there was a lot of counter-payback, but that wasnt so much nationalist as purging the place of all fascists, collaborators, or even just upper class people that didnt think to play safe and help out the resistance secretly, forced recruits that didnt switch sides in time etc... still croats and slovenes were expected to politely shut up about any sort of national or ethnic question from then on in - and this generation had no real problem with that since the majority of partisan fighters from 41 to 44 were slovenes croats and local serbs any way, serbia itself was probably the safest most peacefull place in europe all the way to mid 45, there was this postwar sense of finaly reached yugoslavian unity beyond ethnicity, forged in battle and tempered in a sea of blood and all that

then tito died in 1980, and second yugoslavia started going trough crisis, more than delayed economic crisis the real critical moment was belgrade doing its best to stop the 1974 constitution from being a operative thing, and to impose and maintain serb domminance in state institutions such as media and army, all sorts of councels and party congress type things, and there was no way to articulate problems cause it makes you a nationalist fascist nazi means you dead(or just breaking rocks for 15 years), and this actualy had the unexpected counterefect of making people slowly slide into full blown nationalism by 1989, and was heavily instrumentalised by whichever nations respectful factions of the communist party, which finaly did what milošević somehow didnt expect them to do and broke up into parts thats started forming their own national parties to get out from under him

and then the war happened

and now south slavs live each in their own little banana republic and are free to wave all the national flags they can afford to buy at kaufland

Who the fuck cares if autists on the internet laugh at them?

They have the best reputation in the world among normies and it's objectively a much better place to live than any eastern european shithole.

t. Dragan Idiotic

First off, you're an ass and have a bad attitude.

The lands settled by the South Slavs have since the early middle ages been the crossroads of civilizations.

In the beginning...the Western and Eastern church fighting for dominance over who will christen who and creating the border of the western and eastern church right at that area.

Second, losing national dynasties to foreign ones.

Then come the Ottomans who ravaged these lands, brought new peoples with them and Islam to these already culturally diverse lands.

With influences from Italy (Venice), german peoples, Slav culture, Ottoman culture, all these religions and different foreign rulers created a really complicated situation for these small peoples who had completely different histories and cultures because of all these mentioned civilizations.

Also during the 1800s and the national revival, the peoples under Austria and later AH were heavily oppressed and denied their historical and cultural rights.

There was an idea to unite all the slavs inside the Habsburg empire but stay loyal to the crown. Just wanted more rights to be equal to hungarians at least.

Revolutions in 1848 happened and neoapsolutism suppressed these ideas even more out of fear of more revolutions.

Then there was an idea to unite all the South slavs so they would be stronger against German and Hungarian influence either staying in the Empire or creating a country after it dissolves.

The idea was to create a federation and a democracy. The serbs didn't want that, they wanted to rule the south slavs with their dynasty from Belgrade and with british and french help and manipulation, created the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes instead of The State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. (Now they come 1st ofc.)

After some time, the country morphed into an apsolutist monarchy/dictatorship called the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. A lot of Slovenes and Croatians felt betrayed by the Serbs.

There were independence movements, one of the famous ones was the Ustashe who wanted an independent Croatia. Which was impossible since the British wanted a bigger country like The kingdom of Yugoslavia to exist to counter act Germany when the time came.

The ustashe found allies with the italians who actually wanted to destroy Yugoslavia so they can get Dalmatia (eastern Adriatic coastline).

WW2 came, Slovenes and Croats didn't want to fight for Serbs and lowered their arms, welcoming the Germans as liberators.

Croats used the chance, declared independence but ended up being a german/italian puppet state. They used camps to kill Serbs for revenge.

Communists appear and "liberate" Yugoslavia and create a communist regime over the lands that lasted until the 90s. It only suppressed the national tensions because Tito could keep everything in check... too long of a story.

Tito also gives the muslims a nationality called the Bosnjaks. - a mistake

Tito dies, country is now openly in a crisis for many reasons. Serb nationalism being a really big one. They wanted to make yugslavia basically a Greater Serbia what the kingdom basically was.

1990- Slovenia and Croatia hold democratic elections in their respective republics, elect a different party that isn't the communist one and a non communist president.

Serbia doesn't agree with it. (They hold most of the government and the army)

A referendum is held for independence, almost 100% of voters vote YES in Croatia and Slovenia.

Serbia sends the Yugo army and starts supporting rebel serbs.

Wars happen.

Genocide happens, ethnic cleansings happen for it has to be a pure Greater Serbia.

People that fought are still alive and remember civillians getting massacred, remember losing their loved ones and homes, their countries getting raped by the Chetniks and the Yugoslav army.

The world doesn't care. The UN makes the situation worse.

Even after the wars, the strong Serb propaganda tries to hide the atrocities they commited and even go as far as to say that the pictures of massacred croat/bosnian civillians are serbs.

The world still knows nothing about it and doesn't care and they can keep spreading their lies portraying Croats as fascists who wanted to kill all the serbs in the 90s and they were just defending them.


This is too much to explain, next time maybe. But it's a land of really complicated history.

cro magnon genetics
turkroach cultural assimilation

Serbs wanted to create a little empire. They got lucky to be among the winners in the world wars and got some other peoples under their control. Then they had wars because they wanted to have their own nations.

That's it.

Also don't use the word "Slavs" as if it means something. It's a language family, people speak similar languages. The Croats and the Serbs are the same, but the Slovenes are different, the Macedonians and the Bulgarians are different from the rest. It's super retarded, it's like saying the Romance nations (or the Germanics) are the same and should be magically friendly and not have wars.

>he thinks it's only autists on Internet laughing at them
lmaooo

This. Honestly just reserve the word Slav for Russians and poles but even then it's mostly just a launguage group