Don't mind me, just using Veeky Forums as a notepad to figure out the legitimate ruler of Western civilisation

Theodebald: 535 (Rhineland, France) - 555 (Austrasia, France)
firstborn son of Theudebert I and Deoteria of Narbonne

King of the Franks at Reims

No issue

Bump for interest

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- Ingomer: 493 (Reims, France) - 493 (Reims, France), secondborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde, no issue
- Chlodomer: 495 (France) - 524 (Vézeronce-Curtin, France), thirdborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde
- Theodebald, firstborn son of Chlodomer and Guntheuc of Burgundy, no issue
- Gunthar, secondborn son of Chlodomer and Guntheuc of Burgundy, no issue

Saint Clodoald: 522 - 560 (Novigentum, France)
thirdborn son of Chlodomer and Guntheuc of Burgundy

Abbot of Novigentum

No issue

Lol, you gonna end the thread by yourself and not even start with it.

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- Childebert I: 497 (Reims, France) - 558 (Paris, France), fourthborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde, no male issue

Chlothar I the Old: 498 (Soissons, France) - 561 (Soissons, France)
fifthborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde

- King of the Franks at Soissons
- King of the Franks at Orléans
- King of the Burgundians
- King of the Franks at Metz
- King of the Franks at Paris
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Gunthar
- Childeric
- Charibert I
- Guntram
- Sigebert I
- Chilperic I
- Chlothsind
- Chram

Ah yes, they were all Germans. I see now.

>implying ""western"" ""civilization" has only one ruler
>implying that legitimacy isn't just the monopoly on violence

>implying Western Civilizations is small or collectivist enough to be ruled by one man

Germans should the world. We get it now.

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- Gunthar, no issue
- Childeric, no issue

Charibert I: 517 (Paris, France) - 567 (Paris, France)
thirdborn son of Chlothar I the Old and Ingund

King of the Franks at Paris

Issue:
- Saint Bertha of Kent
- Berteflede
- Clotilde
- Blithilde of Cologne
- Charibert of Hesbaye

Charibert of Hesbaye: 555 (Hesbaye, France) - 636 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charibert I and Ingoberga

Count

Issue:
- Robert I of Tours
- Aldebert
- Erlebert of Quernes

Robert I of Tours: 600 (Paris, France) - 695 (Tours, France)
firstborn son of Charibert of Hesbaye and Wulfgurd of Hesbaye

Bishop of Tours

Issue:
- Lambert of Hesbaye
- Saint Angadrisma

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- Lambert of Hesbaye, firstborn son of Robert I of Tours and Glismoda of Bavaria
- Robert II: 650 (Neustria, France) - 681 (Normandy, France), firstborn son of Lambert of Hesbaye and Chrotlind

Lambert of Hesbaye: 682 (Neustria, France) - 741 (Guyenne, France)
firstborn son of Robert II and Theodrade

Count of Hesbaye

Issue:
- Landrada of Hesbaye
- Robert I of Neustria
- Rotrude of Hesbaye

correction

- Referendary of France
- Majordomo of Burgundy
- Majordomo of Neustria
- Bishop of Paris
- Bishop of Tours

Robert I of Neustria: 697 - 764
firstborn son of Lambert of Hesbaye

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine
- Count palatine to Childeric III
- Missus dominicus to Italy
- Duke of Neustria

Issue:
- Thuringbert
- Cancor
- Anselm

...

Robert I of Neustria: 697 - 764
firstborn son of Lambert of Hesbaye

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine
- Count palatine to Childeric III
- Missus dominicus to Italy
- Duke of Neustria

Issue:
- Thuringbert of Hesbaye
- Cancor of Hesbaye
- Anselm

Thuringbert of Hesbaye: 735 (Worms, France) - 770 (Worms, France)
firstborn son of Robert I of Neustria

Count of Hesbaye and Worms

Issue:
- Robert II of Hesbaye

How is any one person eligible to be the "ruler of Western civilization," presumably including Australia and the United States for example?

Robert II of Hesbaye: 770 - 807
firstborn son Thuringbert of Hesbaye

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine

Issue:
- Robert III of Hesbaye

All of Western civilisation has the same point of origin.

Robert III of Hesbaye: 800 (Rhineland, France) - 834
firstborn son of Robert II of Hesbaye and Theoderata of Worms

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine

Issue:
- Robert the Strong
- Odo of Troyes
- Guntram of Worms
- Adalhelm of Laon

Only it doesn't. There were peoples all over the "west", and had their own distinct civilizations.

Robert the Strong: 830 - 866 (Brissarthe, France)
firstborn son of Robert III of Hesbaye and Waldrada of Orléans

- Margrave of Neustria
- Count of Tours
- Count of Anjou
- Missus dominicus for Charles the Bald

Issue:
- Odo of France
- Robert I of France

So you're trying to say that Western civilisation doesn't exist? kek

Saying it had the same origin point implies an evolutionary model which is retarded. kek

So you're trying to say that Western civilisation doesn't exist.

Odo of France: 859 - 898 (La Fère, France)
firstborn son of Robert the Strong and Adelaide of Tours

- Count of Paris
- Margrave of Neustria
- Duke of France
- King of the Franks

No issue

I keep re-reading this sentence and still don't understand what the fuck you're trying to convey

>evolutionary model
"Many historians of postcolonial nation-states have adopted a linear, evolutionary history of the Enlightenment/colonial model. As a result, they have written repressive, exclusionary, and incomplete accounts."
"Duara offers a way out of the impasse between constructionism and the evolving nation; he redefines history as a series of multiple, often conflicting narratives produced simultaneously at national, local, and transnational levels. "

Except that's demonstrably false. Civilisations always have a point of origin. The Nile valley, the Indus valley, Mesopotamia, southern Greece, the Yucatan...

Robert I of France: 866 (Angers, France) - 923 (Soissons, France)
secondborn son of Robert the Strong and Adelaide of Tours

- Count of Poitiers
- Count of Paris
- Margrave of Neustria and Orléans
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Hildebrant of France
- Adele of France
- Emma of France
- Hugh the Great

Keep going user, I'm curious

>Germans

idiot

Hugh the Great: 898 (Paris, France) - 956 (Dourdan, France)
firstborn son of Robert I of France and Béatrice of Vermandois

- Count of Paris
- Margrave of Neustria
- Duke of the Franks
- Count of Auxerre

Issue:
- Beatrice of France
- Hugh Capet
- Emma of Paris
- Otto of Burgundy
- Odo-Henry of Burgundy

The Ethiopian plains from where humans come from? The sea from were life comes from?

How do you reckon Teutomer as the start?

Hugh Capet: 939 (Paris, France) - 996 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Hugh the Great and Hedwige of Saxony

- Duke of the Franks
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Gisèle of France
- Hedwig of France
- Robert II

The first few are backtracking to be fair. The real start is Clovis, first king of all the Franks, first Catholic king in the West, conqueror of the last piece of Western Rome, all that.

Ah, that makes sense then. I was wondering about how a random general was the start

Robert II the Pious: 972 (Orléans, France) - 1031 (Melun, France)
firstborn son of Hugh Capet and Adelaide of Aquitaine

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Hedwig of Auxerre
- Hugh Magnus
- Henry I
- Adela of Flanders
- Robert I of Burgundy
- Odo of France
- Constance of France

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Hugh Magnus: 1007 - 1025 (Compiègne, France), firstborn son of Robert II and Constance of Arles

Henry I: 1008 (Reims, France) - 1060 (Vitry-aux-Loges, France)
secondborn son of Robert II and Constance of Arles

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Philip I
- Emma of France
- Robert of France
- Hugh of Vermandois

bump

Not the same user who started this thread, but I'll arrive at his end point. If I calculated the claim's from Clovis to the present day under French Salic law, this guy here should be OP's ruler of Western civilization. Granted, the succession got a bit messy at points so this might be wrong

Philip I the Amorous: 1052 (Champagne-et-Fontaine, France) - 1108 (Melun, France)
firstborn son of Henry I and Anne of Kiev

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Constance of France
- Louis VI
- Henry of France
- Charles of France
- Odo of France
- Philip of Mantes
- Fleury of Nangis
- Cecile of France

Louis VI the Fat: 1081 (Paris, France) - 1137 (Béthisy-Saint-Pierre, France)
firstborn son of Philip I and Bertha of Holland

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Philip of France
- Louis VII
- Henry of France
- Hugh of France
- Robert I of Dreux
- Peter I of Courtenay
- Constance of France
- Philip of France

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- Philip of France: 1116 - 1131 (Paris, France), firstborn son of Louis VI and Adélaide of Maurienne

Louis VII the Young: 1120 (Paris, France) - 1180 (Saint-Pont, Allier)
firstborn son of Louis VI and Adélaide of Maurienne

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Mary of Champagne
- Alix of France
- Margaret of France
- Alys of Vexin
- Philip II
- Agnes of France

Philip II Augustus: 1165 (Gonesse, France) - 1223 (Mantes-la-Jolie, France)
firstborn son of Louis VII and Adèle of Champagne

- King of the Franks
- King of France

Issue:
- Louis VIII
- Robert of France
- Philip of France
- Mary of Brabant
- Philip I of Boulogne
- John-Tristan of France

Louis VIII the Lion: 1187 (Paris, France) - 1226 (Montpensier, France)
firstborn son of Philip II and Isabelle of Hainaut

King of France

Issue:
- Blanche of France
- Philip of France
- Alphonse of France
- John of France
- Louis IX
- Robert I of Artois
- Philip of France
- John of Anjou and Maine
- Alphonse of Poitiers
- Philip Dagobert of France
- Saint Isabelle
- Stephen of France
- Charles I of Naples

Is this all correct?
I kinda want to put all that in a chart/timeline.

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- Philip of France: 1209 - 1218, firstborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile, no issue
- Alphonse of France: 1213 - 1213, secondborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile, no issue
- John of France: 1213 - 1213, thirdborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile, no issue

Saint Louis IX: 1214 (Poissy, France) - 1270 (Tunis, Ifriqiya)
fourthborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile

King of France

Issue:
- Blanche of France
- Isabella of Navarre
- Louis of France
- Philip III
- John of France
- John Tristan of Valois
- Peter I of Alençon
- Blanche of France
- Margaret of Brabant
- Robert of Clermont
- Agnes of Burgundy

Seems correct to me.

The only point that isn't completely certain is whether Lambert of Hesbaye was really the son of Robert II of Hesbaye, but historians agree that he most likely was, or otherwise his grandson.

I think this is the oldest known still existing line of patrilineal descent.

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- Louis of France: 1244 - 1260 (Paris, France), firstborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence, no issue

Philip III the Bold: 1245 (Poissy, France) - 1285 (Perpignan, France)
secondborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence

King of France

Issue:
- Louis of France
- Philip IV
- Robert of France
- Charles of Valois
- Louis of Évreux
- Blanche of Austria
- Margaret of England

What actually makes Orleans claim better than that that of the spanish Bourbons?
The head of the House of France is Louis Alphonse, duc d'Anjou

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- Louis of France: 1264 (Vincennes, France) - 1276 (Vincennes, France), poisoned, firstborn son of Philip III and Isabella of Aragon, no issue

Philip IV the Fair: 1268 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1314 (Fontainebleau, France)
secondborn son of Philip III and Isabella of Aragon

King of France

Issue:
- Margaret of France
- Louis X
- Blanche of France
- Isabella of France
- Philip V
- Charles IV
- Robert of France

Louis X the Quarreler: 1289 (Paris, France) - 1316 (Vincennes, France)
firstborn son of Philip IV and Joan I of Navarre

- King of France
- King of Navarre

Issue:
- Joan II of Navarre
- John I

John I the Posthumous: 1316 (Paris, France) - 1316 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Louis X and Clemence of Hungary

King of France and Navarre

No issue

Philip V the Tall: 1293 (Lyon, France) - 1322 (Longchamps, France)
secondborn son of Philip IV and Joan I of Navarre

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Joan III of Burgundy
- Margaret I of Artois
- Isabelle of France
- Blanche of France
- Philip of France

Yo this guy is actually gona figure it out.

I'm bumping with anticipation!

But nap.

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- Philip of France: 1316 - 1317, firstborn son of Philip V and Joan of Burgundy, no issue

Charles IV the Fair: 1294 (Clermont, France) - 1328 (Vincennes, France)
thirdborn son of Philip IV and Joan I of Navarre

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Philip of France
- Joan of France
- Louis of France
- Joan of France
- Mary of France
- Blanche of Orléans

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- Philip of France: 1314 - 1322, firstborn son of Charles IV and Blanche of Burgundy, no issue
- Louis of France: 1324 - 1324, secondborn son of Charles IV and Mary of Luxembourg, no issue
- Charles of Valois: 1270 (Vincennes, France) - 1325 (Perray, France), secondborn son of Philip III and Isabella of Aragon

Philip VI the Fortunate: 1293 - 1350 (Coulombes, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Valois and Margaret of Anjou

King of France

Issue:
- John II
- Mary of Brabant
- Louis of France
- Louis of France
- John of France
- Philip of Orléans
- Joan of France
- Joan of France

John II the Good: 1319 (Le Mans, France) - 1364 (London, England)
firstborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy

King of France

Issue:
- Charles V
- Louis I of Anjou
- John of Berry
- Philip II of Burgundy
- Joan of Navarre
- Mary of Bar
- Agnes of France
- Margaret of France
- Isabelle of Milan
- Blanche of France
- Catherine of France

Charles V the Wise: 1338 (Vincennes, France) - 1380 (Beauté-sur-Marne, France)
firstborn son of John II and Bonne of Bohemia

King of France

Issue:
- Joanna of France
- Bonne of France
- Joanna of France
- Charles VI
- Mary of France
- Louis of Orléans
- Isabella of France
- John of France
- Catherine of Montpensier

Charles VI the Mad: 1368 (Paris, France) - 1422 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charles V and Joan of Bourbon

King of France

Issue:
- Charles of France
- Joan of France
- Isabella of England and Orléans
- Joan of Brittany
- Charles of France
- Mary of France
- Michelle of France
- Louis of Guyenne
- John of Touraine
- Catherine of England
- Charles VII
- Philip of France

9/10 would serve.

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- Charles of France: 1386 - 1386, firstborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- Charles of France: 1392 - 1401, secondborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- Louis of Guyenne: 1397 - 1415, thirdborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- John of Touraine: 1398 - 1417, fourthborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue

Charles VII the Victorious: 1403 (Paris, France) - 1461 (Mehun-sur-Yèvre, France)
fifthborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria

King of France

Issue:
- Louis XI
- John of France
- Radegonde of France
- Catherine of Charolais
- James of France
- Yolande of France
- Joan of Bourbon
- Philip of France
- Margaret of France
- Joanna of France
- Mary of France
- Isabella of France
- Magdalena of Foix
- Charles of Berry

Louis XI the Prudent: 1423 (Bourges, France) - 1483 (Plessis-lez-Tours, France)
firstborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou

King of France

Issue:
- Louis of France
- Joachim of France
- Louise of France
- Anne of Bourbon
- Joan of Berry
- Louis of France
- Charles VIII
- Francis of Berry

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- Louis of France: 1458 - 1460, firstborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue
- Joachim of France: 1459 - 1459, secondborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue
- Louis of France: 1466 - 1466, thirdborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue

Charles VIII the Affable: 1470 (Amboise, France) - 1498 (Amboise, France)
fourthborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy

King of France

Issue:
- Charles of France
- Francis of France
- Charles of France
- Francis of France
- Anne of France

daily reminder that bosnia is the true heir to islamic AND western civilisation

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- Charles of France: 1492 - 1495, firstborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Francis of France: 1493 - 1493, secondborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Charles of France: 1496 - 1496, thirdborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Francis of France: 1497 - 1497, fourthborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Francis of Berry: 1472 - 1473, fifthborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue
- John of France: 1426 - 1426, secondborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- James of France: 1432 - 1437, thirdborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- Philip of France: 1436 - 1436, fourthborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- Charles of Berry: 1446 (Tours, France) - 1472, fifthborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- Philip of France: 1407 - 1407, sixthborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- Louis I of Orléans: 1372 - 1407 (Paris, France), murdered, secondborn son of Charles V and Joan of Bourbon
- Louis of Orléans: 1391 (Paris, France) - 1395 (Paris, France), firstborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti, no issue
- John of Orléans: 1393 (Vincennes, France) - 1393 (Vincennes, France), secondborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti, no issue
- Charles of Orléans: 1394 (Paris, France) - 1465 (Amboise, France), thirdborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti

Louis XII: 1462 (Blois, France) - 1515 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Orléans and Mary of Cleves

- King of France
- Duke of Milan
- King of Naples

Issue:
- Claude of France
- Renée of France

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- Philip of Vertus: 1396 (Asnières-sur-Oise, France) - 1420 (Beaugency, France), fourthborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti, no issue
- John of Angoulême: 1399 - 1467 (Cognac, France), fifthborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti
- Louis of Angoulême: 1455 - 1458, firstborn son of John of Angoulême and Margaret of Rohan, no issue
- Charles of Angoulême: 1459 - 1496, secondborn son of John of Angoulême and Margaret of Rohan

Francis I: 1515 (Cognac, France) - 1547 (Rambouillet, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Angoulême and Louise of Savoy

King of France

Issue:
- Louise of France
- Charlotte of France
- Francis III of Brittany
- Henry II
- Madeleine of Scotland
- Charles of Orléans
- Margaret of Berry

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- Francis III of Brittany: 1518 (Amboise, France) - 1536 (Tournon, France), firstborn son of Francis I and Claude of Brittany, no issue

Henry II: 1519 (Saint-Germain-en-Laye, France) - 1559 (Paris, France)
secondborn son of Francis I and Claude of Brittany

King of France

Issue:
- Francis II
- Elizabeth of France
- Claude of France
- Louis of Orléans
- Charles IX
- Henry III
- Margaret of France
- Hercules of Anjou
- Victoria of France
- Joan of France

>western civilization is one thing
ebin

Francis II: 1544 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1560 (Orléans, France)
firstborn son of Henry II and Catherine de Medici

King of France

No issue

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- Louis III of Orléans: 1549 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1550 (Mantes-la-Jolie, France), secondborn son of Henry II and Catherine de Medici, no issue

Charles IX: 1550 (Saint-Germain-en-Laye, France) - 1574 (Vincennes, France)
thirdborn son of Henry II and Catherine de Medici

King of France

Issue:
- Mary Elizabeth of France

Henry III: 1551 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1589 (Saint-Cloud, France), murdered
fourthborn son of Henry II and Catherine of Medici

- King of Poland
- Grand Duke of Lithuania
- King of France

No issue

Seems like this family had a lot of issues.

upvoted

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- Hercules of Anjou: 1555 - 1584, fifthborn son of Henry II and Catherine of Medici, no issue
- Charles of Orléans: 1522 - 1545, thirdborn son of Francis I and Claude of Brittany, no issue
- John of France: 1374 - 1376, thirdborn son of Charles V and Joan of Bourbon, no issue
- Louis I of Anjou: 1339 (Vincennes, France) - 1384 (Bisceglie, Naples), secondborn son of John II and Bonne of Bohemia
- Louis II of Anjou: 1377 - 1417, firstborn son of Louis I of Anjou and Mary of Blois
- Louis III of Anjou: 1403 - 1434, firstborn son of Louis II of Anjou and Yolande of Aragon, no issue
- René of Anjou: 1409 (Angers, France) - 1480 (Aix-en-Provence, France), secondborn son of Louis II of Anjou and Yolande of Aragon
- John II of Lorraine: 1424 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire) - 1470 (Barcelona, Aragon), firstborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine
- René of Lorraine: 1446 - 1446, firstborn son of John II of Lorraine and Mary of Bourbon, no issue
- John of Lorraine: 1447 - 1471, secondborn son of John II of Lorraine and Mary of Bourbon, no issue
- Nicholas I of Lorraine: 1448 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire) - 1473 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire), thirdborn son of John II of Lorraine and Mary of Bourbon, no male issue
- Louis of Anjou: 1427 - 1444, secondborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- Nicholas of Anjou: 1428 - 1430, thirdborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- Charles of Guise: 1431 - 1432, fourthborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- René of Anjou: 1434 - 1434, fifthborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- Charles of Maine: 1414 (Montils-lez-Tours, France) - 1472 (Neufvy-en-Touraine, France), thirdborn son of Louis II of Anjou and Yolande of Aragon
- Jean Louis Marin of Maine: 1440 - 1440, firstborn son of Charles of Maine and Cobella Ruffo, no issue
- Charles IV of Anjou: 1446 - 1481, secondborn son of Charles of Maine and Isabella of Saint-Pol, no issue

- Charles of Anjou: 1380 - 1404 (Angers, France), secondborn son of Louis I of Anjou and Mary of Blois, no issue
- John of Berry: 1340 (Vincennes, France) - 1416 (Paris, France), thirdborn son of John II and Bonne of Luxembourg
- Charles of Montpensier: 1362 - 1382, firstborn son of John of Berry and Joanna of Armagnac, no issue
- John of Montpensier: 1363 - 1401, secondborn son of John of Berry and Joanna of Armagnac, no issue
- Louis of Berry: 1364 - 1383, thirdborn son of John of Berry and Joanna of Armagnac, no issue
- Philip II of Burgundy: 1342 (Pontoise, France) - 1404 (Halle, Holy Roman Empire), fourthborn son of John II and Bonne of Bohemia
- John the Fearless: 1371 (Dijon, France) - 1419 (Montereau, France), murdered, firstborn son of Philip II of Burgundy and Margaret III of Flanders
- Philip the Good: 1396 (Dijon, France) - 1467 (Bruges, Holy Roman Empire), firstborn son of John the Fearless and Margaret of Bavaria
- Anthony of Burgundy: 1430 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire) - 1432 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire), firstborn son of Philip the Good and Isabella of Portugal, no issue
- Josse of Charolais: 1432 - 1432, secondborn son of Philip the Good and Isabella of Portugal, no issue
- Charles the Bold: 1433 (Dijon, France) - 1477 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire), thirdborn son of Philip the Good and Isabella of Portugal, no male issue
- Charles of Burgundy: 1372 - 1373, secondborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders, no issue
- Louis of Burgundy: 1377 - 1378, thirdborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders, no issue
- Anthony of Brabant: 1384 - 1415 (Agincourt, France), fourthborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders
- John IV of Brabant: 1403 (Arras, France) - 1427 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire), firstborn son of Anthony of Brabant and Joan of Saint-Pol, no issue
- Philip I of Brabant: 1404 - 1430 (Leuven, Holy Roman Empire), secondborn son of Anthony of Brabant and Joan of Saint-Pol, no issue

- William of Brabant: 1410 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire) - 1410 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire), thirdborn son of Anthony of Brabant and Elizabeth of Görlitz, no issue
- Philip II of Nevers: 1389 (Villaines-en-Duesmois, France) - 1415 (Agincourt, France), fifthborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders
- Philip of Nevers: 1410 - 1415, firstborn son of Philip II of Nevers and Isabella of Coucy, no issue
- Charles I of Nevers: 1414 - 1464, secondborn son of Philip II of Nevers and Bonne of Artois, no issue
- John II of Nevers: 1415 (Clamecy, France) - 1491 (Nevers, France), thirdborn son of Philip II of Nevers and Bonne of Artois
- Philip of Nevers: 1446 - 1452, firstborn son of John II of Nevers and Jacqueline d'Ailly, no issue
- Louis of France: 1329 - 1329, secondborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy, no issue
- Louis of France: 1330 - 1330, thirdborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy, no issue
- Philip of Orléans: 1336 (Vincennes, France) - 1376 (Orléans, France), fourthborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy, no issue
- Charles II of Alençon: 1297 - 1346, secondborn son of Charles of Valois and Margaret of Anjou
- Charles III of Alençon: 1337 - 1375 (Lyon, France), firstborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- Philip of Alençon: 1339 - 1397 (Rome, Papal States), secondborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- Peter II of Alençon: 1340 - 1404 (Argentan, France), thirdborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara
- Peter of Alençon: 1374 - 1375, firstborn son of Peter II of Alençon and Marie Chamaillart, no issue
- John of Alençon: 1375 - 1376, secondborn son of Peter II of Alençon and Marie Chamaillart, no issue
- John I of Alençon: 1385 (Essay, France) - 1415 (Agincourt, France), thirdborn son of Peter II of Alençon and Marie Chamaillart

- Peter of Alençon: 1407 (Argentan, France) - 1408 (Argentan, France), firstborn son of John I of Alençon and Mary of Brittany, no issue
- John II of Alençon: 1409 (Argentan, France) - 1476 (Paris, France), secondborn son of John I of Alençon and Mary of Brittany
- René of Alençon: 1454 - 1492 (Alençon, France), firstborn son of John II of Alençon and Mary of Armagnac
- Charles IV of Alençon: 1489 (Alençon, France) - 1525 (Lyon, France), firstborn son of René of Alençon and Margaret of Vaudémont, no issue
- Robert of Alençon: 1344 - 1377, fourthborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara
- Charles of Alençon: 1375 - 1377, firstborn son of Robert of Alençon and Joan of Rohan, no issue
- John of Chartres: 1302 - 1308, thirdborn son of Charles of Valois and Catherine I of Courtenay, no issue
- Louis of Chartres: 1318 - 1328, fourthborn son of Charles of Valois and Mahaut of Châtillon, no issue
- Louis of Évreux: 1276 - 1319 (Paris, France), thirdborn son of Philip III and Mary of Brabant
- Charles of Évreux: 1305 - 1336, firstborn son of Louis of Évreux and Margaret of Artois
- Louis I of Étampes: 1336 - 1400, firstborn son of Charles of Évreux and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- John of Évreux: 1336 - 1373 (Rome, Papal States), second born son of Charles of Évreux and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- Philip III of Navarre: 1306 - 1343 (Jerez de la Frontera, Granada), thridborn son of Louis of Évreux and Margaret of Artois
- Louis of Navarre: 1330 - 1334, firstborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre, no issue
- Charles II of Navarre: 1332 (Évreux, France) - 1387 (Pamplona, Navarre), secondborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre
- Charles III of Navarre: 1361 (Mantes-la-Jolie, France) - 1425 (Olite, Navarre), firstborn son of Charles II of Navarre and Joan of Valois
- Charles of Viana: 1397 - 1402, firstborn son of Charles III of Navarre and Eleanor of Castile, no issue

- Louis of Viana: 1402 - 1402, secondborn son of Charles III of Navarre and Eleanor of Castile, no issue
- Peter of Mortain: 1366 (Évreux, France) - 1412 (Bourges, France), secondborn son of Charles II of Navarre and Joan of Valois, no issue
- Philip of Navarre: 1368 - 1368, thirdborn son of Charles II of Navarre and Joan of Valois, no issue
- Philip of Longueville: 1336 - 1363, thirdborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre, no issue
- Louis of Durazzo: 1341 - 1376, fourthborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre, no issue
- John of France: 1246 - 1248, thirdborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence, no issue
- John Tristan of Valois: 1250 (Damietta, Egypt) - 1270 (Tunisia, Ifriqiya), fourthborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence, no issue
- Peter I of Alençon: 1251 (Jerusalem) - 1284 (Salerno, Naples), fifthborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence
- Louis of Alençon: 1276 - 1277, firstborn son of Peter I of Alençon and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- Philip of Alençon: 1278 - 1279, secondborn son of Peter I of Alençon and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- Robert of Clermont: 1256 - 1317, sixthborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence
- Louis I of Bourbon: 1279 - 1341, firstborn son of Robert of Clermont and Beatrix of Burgundy
- Peter I of Bourbon: 1311 - 1356 (Poitiers, France), firstborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes
- Louis II of Bourbon: 1337 - 1410 (Montluçon, France), firstborn son of Peter I of Bourbon and Isabella of Valois
- John I of Bourbon: 1381 - 1434 (London, England), firstborn son of Louis II of Bourbon and Anne of Auvergne
- Charles I of Bourbon: 1401 - 1456 (Moulins, France), firstborn son of John I of Bourbon and Mary of Auvergne
- John II of Bourbon: 1426 - 1488 (Moulins, France), firstborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy
- John of Clermont: 1487 - 1487, firstborn son of John II of Bourbon and Catherine of Armagnac, no issue

- Louis of Clermont: 1488 - 1488, secondborn son of John II of Bourbon and Joan of Bourbon-Vendôme, no issue
- Philip of Bourbon: 1430 - 1440, secondborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- Charles II of Bourbon: 1434 (Moulins, France) - 1488 (Lyon, France), thirdborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- Peter II of Bourbon: 1438 (Moulins, France) - 1503, fourthborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy
- Charles of Clermont: 1476 - 1498, firstborn son of Peter II of Bourbon and Anne of France, no issue
- Louis of Bourbon: 1438 - 1482 (Liège, Holy Roman Empire), murdered, fifthborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- James of Montpensier: 1445 - 1468 (Bruges, Holy Roman Empire), sixthborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- Louis of Bourbon: 1403 - 1412 (Paris, France), secondborn son of John I of Bourbon and Mary of Auvergne, no issue
- Louis of Montpensier: 1405 - 1486 (Rome, Papal States), thirdborn son of John I of Bourbon and Mary of Auvergne
- Gilbert of Montpensier: 1443 - 1496 (Pozzuoli, Naples), firstborn son of Louis of Montpensier and Gabrielle La Tour
- Louis II of Montpensier: 1483 - 1501 (Naples), firstborn son of Gilbert of Montpensier and Claire Gonzaga, no issue
- Charles III of Bourbon: 1490 (Montpensier, France) - 1527 (Rome, Papal States), secondborn son of Gilbert of Montpensier and Claire Gonzaga
- Francis of Clermont: 1517 - 1518, firstborn son of Charles III of Bourbon and Suzanne of Bourbon, no issue
- Francis of Châtellerault: 1492 - 1515 (Marignano, Milan), thridborn son of Gilbert of Montpensier and Claire Gonzaga, no issue
- John of Montpensier: 1445 - 1485, secondborn son of Louis of Montpensier and Gabrielle La Tour, no issue
- Louis of Bourbon: 1388 - 1404, secondborn son of Louis II of Bourbon and Anne of Auvergne, no issue

- Philip of Bourbon: 1316 - 1327, secondborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes, no issue
- James of Bourbon: 1318 - 1318, thirdborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes, no issue
- James I of La Marche: 1319 - 1362 (Lyon, France), fourthborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes
- Peter II of La Marche: 1342 - 1362 (Lyon, France), firstborn son of James I of La Marche and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- John I of La Marche: 1344 - 1393 (Vendôme, France), secondborn son of James I of La Marche and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- James II of La Marche: 1370 - 1438 (Besançon, France), firstborn son of John I of La Marche and Catherine of Vendôme, no male issue
- Louis of Vendôme: 1376 - 1446 (Tours, France), secondborn son of John I of La Marche and Catherine of Vendôme
- John VIII of Vendôme: 1425 - 1478 (Lavardin, France), firstborn son of Louis of Vendôme and Joan of Laval
- Francis of Vendôme: 1470 - 1495 (Vercelli, Savoy), firstborn son of John VIII of Vendôme and Isabella of Beauveau
- Charles of Bourbon: 1489 (Vendôme, France) - 1537 (Amiens, France), firstborn son of Francis of Vendôme and Mary of Luxembourg
- Louis of Bourbon: 1514 - 1516, firstborn son of Charles of Bourbon and Françoise of Alençon, no issue
- Anthony of Navarre: 1518 (La Fère, France) - 1562 (Les Andelys, France), secondborn son of Charles of Bourbon and Françoise of Alençon

Henry IV: 1553 (Pau, Navarre) - 1610 (Paris, France), murdered
firstborn son of Anthony of Navarre and Joan III of Navarre

- King of France
- King of Navarre

Issue:
- Louis XIII
- Elizabeth of Spain
- Christina Mary of Savoy
- Nicholas Henry of Orléans
- Gaston of Orléans
- Henrietta Maria of England, Scotland, and Ireland

Louis XIII: 1601 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1643 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Henry IV and Mary of Medici

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Louis XIV
- Philip I of Orléans

Ok so using what OP has so far the legitimate ruler of western civilization is some Spanish guy who goes by the last name Bourbon.

Louis XIV: 1638 (Saint-Germain-en-Laye, France) - 1715 (Versailles, France)
firstborn son of Louis XIII and Anne of Austria

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Louis of France
- Anne Elizabeth of France
- Mary Anne of France
- Mary Theresa of France
- Philip Charles of Anjou
- Louis Francis of Anjou

Please don't tell me this is gonna end with Louis Alphonse

Someone should do this for the ruler of Eastern Civilization ?