How did the meme that "le hitler was an atheist" start?

How did the meme that "le hitler was an atheist" start?

Putting aside the fact that Hitler was baptised into the catholic church, throughout his speeches he continuously asserted that he was a Christian. He made numerous references to God in his speeches, and the only organisation besides the nazi party he allowed to have a modicum of power in nazi germany was the catholic church. they were even allowed to have protests against him.

Not once did he restrict church activity unlike in Stalin's Russia, and he supported most catholic anti-communist movements throughout southern europe.

One could say that his references to God were just opportunism and propaganda, but when he had absolute dictatorial control, did he need it? Even at the height of his power in 1941 he prayed for God's help in his struggle against bolshevism in operation barbarossa.

Just cause Himmler was an autistic odinboo, doesn't mean Hitler was too. Hitler was more grounded in reality and wasn't as much into nordic esoterics and racialism as himmler was.

Hitler was without doubt a theist who believed in some higher power, and may have even been a Christian.

it's because he would be considered saint or even a prophet by some christians and it will ends into a new type of christianity, the papacy don't wanted it, so "le hitler was atheist/pagan" meme started.

Religion wasn't his main motive, all his references to Christianity are just demagogy and not much more. If he was truly devout he wouldn't tolerate all that pagan larping like Thule society. He wouldn't murder Catholic Poles just on the basis of racial purity.

Positives Christentum is pure heresy as far as any honest Christian is concerned.

positive christianity is a meme that was pushed by alfred rosenberg, who wasn't even german. Nobody else even cared about it.

Hitler's speeches constantly referred to his belief in God, even in mein kampf he identified as a christian.

He probably was a Christian. A lot of people were. He also was the maniacal sociopath propaganda makes him out to be. If his brain was addled with cocain we probably would have had a much different view of him.

Go to /pol/ senpai

Rosenberg was a Baltic German, and a main ideologue of the NSDAP. To say nobody cared about it is too much.

I can put whatever i want into my speeches to fire up the public, doesn't mean i actually believe in it.

>Not once did he restrict church activity

why do you lie?

Hitler told Speer once that he wished Germans were Muslims or emperor-devoted Japanese. He thought Christianity made them weak.

i don't know, he liked nietzsche and the strongest will prevail n shit?

everything speer said was bullshit, no serious historian respects what speer has to say

He wasn´t a devout Christian, it´s propaganda, stop being delusional. Hitler thought Christianity made people weak.

Take this garbage to /pol/

Speer said in his memoirs that Hitler privately detest Christianity, like politicians throughout the ages he made public declarations of piety to the contrary

>i don't respect what he has to say because it contradicts what I want to think

He raped Nietzsche.

He took some superficial edgy-sounding quotes and censored the rest.

>Speer said in his memoirs that Hitler privately detest Christianity
That doesn't mean he didn't have some very Christian conceptions of God.

lolwut

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I think the label that would fit Hitler, assuming all the things said in this thread are true, would be Deist.
He believed in a God, Creation, after life... but not in the deities of any organized religion.
He pretended to be Christian for pragmatic reasons but didn't believe in it.

>valid historical discussion
>right wing view

>hurrr /pol/

Ironically, your opinion is quite popular among the neo-pagan stormfags.

Just typical Jesuit bullshit covering their tracks. Pope controlled 2/3 of the Axis powers and perpetrated the Holocaust and WWII to "kill all Christkillers and Communists". And when the war was lost, the Vatican smuggled Nazi war criminals to their strongholds in South America via the Vatican Ratlines.

The Vatican is the most evil institution on earth. Hitler said that he was going to finish the job the Catholic church started; eradicating the Jews.

Virtually all Catholics detest Christians and Jews.

He quoted Martin Luther at least three times in Mein Kampf, from "On the Jews and Their Lies".

The Catholic church is wholly evil.

Because he was irreligious and most religious people can't tell the difference

Here, I'll quote you some leading experts on the Nazis as well as some Nazis themselves.

"The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed. The Führer is a convinced vegetarian on principle."

"The Fuhrer is a fierce opponent of all that humbug (the Vatican)".

-Goebbels Diaries

"Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he did believe he would have a life after death because of what he had achieved."

-Laurence Rees

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity."

-Hitler's Table Talk

"Hitler emphasised again and again his belief that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on modern science. Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition [-] 'In the long run', [Hitler] concluded, 'National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together'."

-Richard J. Evans' Third Reich Trilogy

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide."

-Albert Speer

"National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."

-Martin Bormann

>he may have been Christian

>The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?

>He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide."

See? Catholic through and through.

His opinion is fucking bullshit, though, because the christian nations of England and the US beat his ass into the dustbowl of history.

>the christian nations of the soviet union

The USSR was not in charge of the weather, no.

But somehow they knew to prepare for it.

> In October 1941, Hitler let drop a number of remarks that might provide a clue to why he had not sufficiently concerned himself with his men's welfare when it came to the great Russian freeze. "One can't put any trust in the meteorological forecasts," he told Martin Bormann and others during table-talk at Berchtesgaden.

>Believing himself to be as much an expert in meteorology as in everything else, Hitler, a world-class know-all, went on to state that "weather prediction is not a science that can be learnt mechanically. What we need are men gifted with a sixth sense, who live in nature and with nature – whether or not they know anything about isotherms and isobars.

Even his own fucking scientists told him winter was cold and he didn't listen.

he sounds like a weeb.

Who ever said Hitler was smart?

Hitler will be a saint, he is waiting in purgatory for catholics to pray to him

That is irrelevant. makes the case that christians won the war, because the Christian god controlled the weather. But regardless of who controlled the weather, it was atheists who predicted it.

To think that the weather is an erratic and arbitrary flight of some deity certainly rings more true with Hitler's conception than with the hard nosed soviets. He may have railed against religion, but he was very much in the same vein.

Besides, if scripture says the will of the lord is unfathomable, and the atheist soviets fathomed it, that means that either the weather was not the will of the lord, or that scripture is just fucking wrong.