Did women in Japan historically face the same level of exclusion and oppression they faced in Western Europe?

That's true for men as well. American society is all sorts of screw'd up and has been for decades.

This. As a white guy who splits time between japan and usa, I do notice that Japanese women are happier. They just aren't as strong willed or independent, and they don't care to be.

Having an ethnically homogeneous nation which isn't constantly in conflict with one another probably helps.

>tfw women in the west get """"gender disappointment"""" depression

parents.com/pregnancy/my-baby/gender-prediction/baby-gender-disappointment/

I don't think that really plays a part.

Why does nobody love each other in those countries then? Next level retarded style depopulation.

Do you really think parents in non western societies don't get "gender disappointment"?

In some societies it's literally a massive financial hindrance to have daughters.

>suffrage is participation to public life

found the idiotic liberal

>Be Europe.
>A female monarch can be head of state.

>Be Asia
>The above scenario is a major fucking scandal

Western Women: Bitching about everything since god knows when.

Aww cute. The easy explanation gets applause.
>why do I hate murrikans so much?

niggas could sell women to people to clear debts or just to make money, what a paradise it must have been

>How would you describe living in a political system that affects your life but being unable to participate in it

feudalism?

You can keep your oriental despotism where everybody is happy all the time because the state tells them to be.

In the west people would rather be free than be told that they're happy

People don't want "happiness", they want struggle, purpose, and fulfillment.

Too bad we only get struggle.

Only a minority actually find purpose and even fewer find fulfillment, and its always been that way. Its a long difficult road, but the alternative is rotting in unthinking complacency.

One could argue that its more pronounced in this era where automation is forcing ever larger numbers of people into menial service sector work, but that's a topic for a different thread

>women's sufferage didn't exist
2/10 you got me to reply but like come on dude. come back when you finish 8th grade

>exclusion and oppression

Here's your (You), enjoy it it's the only one you'll get from me.

>thinks western liberal maymay fulfills anything but the financial institutions wallets.

>T. Peter Pan syndrome

Don't you have a Dear Leader to be worshiping with unconditional obedience?

Kramer says that a "Mom and Pop" shoe repair store is about to close, and convinces Jerry to send his sneakers to the store to be repaired, commenting that Jerry has a Peter Pan complex when Mom marvels at the amount of sneakers he owns.

Literally nothing good has come from suffrage of any kind.

T. Moslem extremist who beats his wife to the point she is too brain damaged to care.

>muh body muh choice, let me fuck around in tell i'm 40 than die a miserable baron crone
>accusing any other ideology of having peter pan syndrome

>T. cog in the oriental bureaucracy
Maybe one day after many decades of grueling, tedious labor the state will finally reward you with the qt3.14 of your dreams. Until then try to keep those quotas up, comrade

Youre full of shit. I know women in said countries and they desperately want to leave their situations. Take your neo reactionary traditionalist ideology back to the gulag you dirty Marxist capitalist. I recommend you read Evola.

>Marxist capitalist
soo.... I'm a liberal capitalist and I agree with everything you said... but how does this work, exactly?

Moreso. That said, some of them did actually get involved in activism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanno_Sugako

>Japanese
>Happy

Pick one. Japan and worst Korea are in a competition to see who can have the highest suicide rate.

Japanese women had comparatively more freedom than their Chinese and Korean counterparts. Early observers to Edo period Japan commented on this actually.

>level of exclusion and oppression they faced in Western Europe?

What are you comparing Western European women to? Even prior to the various feminist and proto-feminist movements of the 20th/19th centuries, western women enjoyed a degree of equity and individual freedom comparatively unheard of among agricultural civilizations. This arguably goes back to pre-Christian European societies/civilizations (e.g. women in the Roman Republic had right of divorce upon domestic violence and Greek lit shows even comparatively cloistered Greek women had far more freedom than their counterparts East of the Ionian cities).

The meme that all races of women were equally "oppressed" until the various enlightenment movements took hold was actually born out of intersectionality in the 1970s and onwards, basically out of a fear of marginalizing "minority" women everyone had to pretend that all women had exactly the same lack of rights. Sometimes it blends with that orientalist xenophilia tendency and you get truly absurd pronouncements from some "social historians" and "cultural anthropologists" about how women in the Arab Caliphates had more rights than their European counterparts at the time.

Suffice to say, the whole women-hatred thing is uniquely Asiatic and un-European/Western. White people worship women, quite literally.

I remember reading something about a Japanese guy who sailed around with eurocucks during the Meiji restoration commenting on how westerners don't care if women walk beside or in front of them, how they pull back chairs for them, open doors etcetera...

Can't find it though.

Women weren't oppressed, gender roles are complimentary, and feminism is a joke, and cancer. Maybe the shit skins and jews did, but historically women had roles just as important, just not nearly as documented because it wasn't intresting.

Yep. I know the author you're referring to. He referred to how European men would give preference in seating on ships to the women, and he incorrectly assumed this was because women enjoyed a higher status in European/Western societies.

A common misconception about East Asian notions of womanhood and femininity is that women over there are viewed as fragile and delicate and something to be protected. Actually, that's an extremely western view. East Asian peoples viewed women as far more expendable than they did men, which from a western perspective, given the way biology functions, seems absurd - our notion of women being delicate and fragile and vulnerable for example, makes sense even from a radical right wing perspective because those are the beings that essentially carry on the lineage of your kin/clan/race.

East Asians by contrast have a kind of contempt/disinterest for women. It's not a malicious hatred like Muslims do, it's just a sort of... disinterested disregard for them. I recall some Confucian proverb about how you're meant to let the son sleep on the padded cot, while the baby daughter sleeps among the "shards on the ground" to remind her of her place even as a baby.

My feeling is that because patrilineal descent is emphasized so heavily in China/East Asia (women aren't even part of traditional imperial family trees), the idea is it doesn't even matter who the mother is. East Asian peoples, especially Chinese, are actually heavily mixed on their maternal side. South Chinese are the result of Han colonizers breeding with the native women.

Europeans/Whites really are a very unique group of people in some respects. We don't really see this uniqueness because we project our own psychology/culture on other groups.

>Japanese women in labor force 65%
>US women in labor force 56%

>Japanese female literacy 99%
>US female literacy 70-80%

~20% of people in US cannot read or cannot understand what they're reading.

>pure bullshit
all of it

Which parts specifically? We can go through what I said piece by piece and introduce evidence if you want to get thorough.

The idea that all women on earth within agricultural societies prior to the 19th century had an equal lot of misfortune is a lie and it is ahistorical.

Neo-Confucianism is a vastly more conservative force than even fundamentalist Christianity.

>Women in the Middle East/Far East are actually much happier than the "liberated" women of shitskin burger eating invasion monkey Americans

Why are you shitposing Achmed ?

Don't you some women to stone today ?

As an Asian American woman of color, I am literally shaking with rage right now.

Considering women outnumber men it makes sense that they are more expendable. They are desu.

Yeah but biologically the idea has been that one man can impregnate many women whereas one woman can only give birth to a child every 9 months. Which is why it makes sense to be protective of your women and treat them as a delicate/scarce resource.

Unless you're asiatic of course, in which case your maternal ancestry is just mudshit mongrel crap.

You're right and I get what your saying. To expand on the notion however, the fact that western men don't go around impregnating multiple women (and haven't for a vey long time) makes it seem like an irrelevant holdover from bygone days. And this is coming from a traditionalist.

>How would you describe living in a political system that affects your life but being unable to participate in it based on sex?

Modern life

There's inadequate males in all countries: but esp in the countries that have never changed to overcome their mindless, autistic cult-ural rites.

Where uh...where can I find more images like this? Of Japanese women in traditional clothing being lewd?

Can you redpill me on Neo-Confucianism?

>Man has to do the work
>Woman is opressed???
What

Excellent points all. Expect some face-saving measures from our resident yellow apes though.

Its like Confucianism with all the mitigating human elements that made it bearable removed from it

Imagine the most autistic asian guy at college you have ever encountered, bad hygiene, unsociable, bad with women, perhaps his only saving grace are good grades.

Imagine him coming up with a civilization-defining philosophy that regulates every type of imaginable behavior.

That's Neo-Confucianism.

Pls respond

you do see the link in the corner of the image, right?

Yes. Thats why you heard of some of them converting to islam and marrying muzzies.
Not only it gives her a stable partner, but provides also a network of people you can rely on, mostly the dude's family. These women are not criticised because they are so in love and its so cool and open minded to marry a muzzie, when in reality this is a big leap backwards in terms of "freedom" and "liberation", which they don't need.
This has became impossible in the west so they turn to Islam.

No, it's because women find dark skin on males sexier and more importantly manlier than white skin.

Women's rights was the biggest mistake ever. They are unironically happier being treated like minors whose guardian is their husband.

Thank god either the Muslims or Amish will end this perversion.

Women re objects for men. The thing is though, they WANT to submit to a man.

Make Women Feminine Again

Fuck off autist

You can be into traditional gender roles and stuff without being a pleb who buys into nazism.

I'm not, I just like the images. Women shouldn't vote, and their husband should legally be their guardian. The man gets to exercise wise control and be honored as head of the family, while the woman is insulated from life's cares and can look after her husband/kids.

And yet marriages to dark skinned races is only at 7%. hmmmm. Also most of humanity prefers light skin to dark.

I like the idea tbqh, but I don't think it extends beyond a fantasy/aesthetic level for me. I place too much faith in universal suffrage.

You do realize that almost all men couldn't either up until the 20th century in most western countries??

nobody asked you to shit up this thread, /pol/tard. Go back to your containment boad

Literally exactly what I said was common place belief even 80 years ago.

>universal suffrage

Just lmao, back to r*ddit kid

>Literally exactly what I said was common place belief even 80 years ago.
And? Beliefs develop and change.
Regardless I never directly opposed it. I just don't care enough to think it through enough to say my appeal extends to actual political action.
>that image
Plenty of women still dress modestly, just take a walk outside.

Fuck off Rain Man, the vast majority of people are content living "the unexamined life". People like you muttering about sheeple while tipping your fedora are ruining western society.

Actually, he's sort of right. The future of humanity is to be brown skinned. Globalisation has sorted out race issue. There will be hopefully one race in the future, and that'll I'm afraid wipe out several races. Not just whites.

It wasnt some abstract idea, it really existed. As late as 1880s in the south married women couldn't hold property.

Ah to be back in the good old days.

Yup, all according to plan

>Literacy
Literacy in that context doens't mean what you think it means. only 70-80% of women can read at a level that reflects their age.
Literally everyone can read, I've NEVER met someone who couldn't
t. American

You post more obnoxiously and with less value than the speech of any woman.

If that's true it's due to rapid outbreeding by Blacks and Asians. Not mix racing. People prefer their own across the board.

>implying easy skin dying won't become a thing and we'll have people walking around in all kinds of skintones, even blues, reds, greens and other wacky colours.

nah, everyone will be either white, black, silver, or red.

what about very very dark blue

>t. kissless virginal wizard

Nice "philosophy" you got there, I'm sure it helps you cope with the fact that no woman wants you because you're an obese nazi manchild who has looked at so much porn that he can no longer distinguish between fantasy and reality.

And before you go on spouting memes no, I'm not an Atheist. I'm a Catholic who believes in personal freedom and taking responsibility for your own actions and not trying to use the government to coerce moral behavior.

>n-no u

>cuckolic

Go kiss some nigger feet. The Church is supposed to be a force for tradition and good, not nu-Catholics like you.

Just gonna add the following:

Old word used for wife in Japan 家内 is made up of the characters for "house/home" and "inside". Basically, women belong in the house, not outside of it. It's not being used anymore nowadays.

>church goes back to it's traditional ways of humility
>dude why is the pope such a freakin KEK? doesn't he know jesus totally bought into my modern dogmas?

>Go kiss some nigger feet.
Yes, because God forbid you ask some proddie degenerate to actually be more like Christ.

>you are the rock upon which I will build an opulent mansion

>the only way I can be more like Christ is import millions of people who hate my religion and want to colonize Europe
>literally tell people it's an act of war to not take in refugees

yeah but it's overwhelmingly men killing themselves. like 10/1

>you are the rock upon which I will build an opulent mansion
>defend the pope kissing someone's feet
>must mean I defend all the gold shit
Shit comparison, how's high school treating you champ?

Cute how you only answered to my first half.

So you unironically are defending bringing Muslims into Europe?

>bitching about immigrants in a completely unrelated thread
fucking Trumpanzees can't stop jabbering about the same fucking thing in every single thread like a pack of simple minded idiots

>pope installed after US coup google.com/amp/yournewswire.com/wikileaks-soros-vatican-coup/amp/?client=safari

>thinks his leftist progressivism is "true Christian teachings"
>doesn't realize the church ruled Americanism incompatible with Catholic teachings in the 19th century

>dude your native population is being replaced, like ugh just get over it

Fuck off Shillblue

Your second half was a response to someone else.
In all honesty I don't give a shit if Muslims come into Europe for two reasons. One, it doesn't affect me in the slightest, barely any Muslims live where I live, and two, there's way bigger problems to worry about in the world.
Saying that a bunch of Muslims are here to 'colonise' Europe is pure hyperbole.
I literally talked about the feet kissing shit. How is kissing some guy's feet leftist progressivism? Why are you even bringing up leftism and progressivism?

>I don't care that native Europeans are going extinct through low birth rates and continued mass immigration
>dude it doesn't affect me lmao

>not here to colonize

But they are. And like it or not they're succeeding. We'll see how tolerant they are of traitors like you in 30 years.

You should consider that woman used to die in due to child birth complications much more frequently than today, so men would end up marrying many times

Don't women tend to have sons during times of war?
Multiple women don't need to be impregnated by a single man since men will be born at a higher rate during times that men are dying disproportionately.

>male offspring getting born in the bunches cause it's war baby
>biological imperative to replenish male population in times of human conflict
Care to provide a study, or a source or some research results?

I searched really quickly and found this:

Graffelman, Jan, and Hoekstra, Rolf F. "A Statistical Analysis of the Effect of Warfare on the Human Secondary Sex Ratio" Human Biology 72 (2000): 433–445.

Also found
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Peter_Süssmilch
which suggests that the male birth rate is constantly higher.
I'd be interested if any one else has more related material

>East Asian peoples viewed women as far more expendable than they did men, which from a western perspective, given the way biology functions, seems absurd - our notion of women being delicate and fragile and vulnerable for example, makes sense even from a radical right wing perspective because those are the beings that essentially carry on the lineage of your kin/clan/race.
this. the fragility of the woman is created by betas, for betas, to justify the actions of the betas.