What is more natural, the harem or the nuclear family?

Polygamy is unsustainable, so the answer should be obvious.

>not being raped or murdered acts against your own self interest

But civilization is natural.

Hunter-gatherer groups tended to organize along the lines of nuclear families and extended families. So if if either option has to be "natural," it's probably that one.

Only in a naïve sense in which practically everything is natural.

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Harem.

Literally the vast majority of mammalians have a harem type arrangement.

The nuclear family is a very recent development enabled by technologies consisting of mass communications and vehicles which drastically raise the roaming rate of people from city to city.

Civilization isn't natural.

The growth of civilization probably was initiated with the warming period melting glaciars. A lot of land was swept and flood ridden. Plants uprooted and dead.

But grains are adapted to take over the territory of other plants during and after a flooding event.

Without grains acting as surplus resource that could be leveraged into a concentration of power, you'd have no "civilization".

so the ice ages aren't natural?

> Literally the vast majority of mammalians have a harem type arrangement.

...and they didn't evolve to shit.

Why don't you smear shit all over the walls while you are at it.

I mean, most apes do that.

>unironically against harems
kys

Hagar (/heJˈɡɑːr/ hay-gar; Hebrew: הָגָר, Modern Hagar, Tiberian Hāgār, of uncertain origin[1] Arabic: هاجر Hājar; Latin: Agar) is a biblical person in the Book of Genesis. She was an Egyptian handmaid of Sarai (Sarah),[2] who gave her to Abraham to bear a child. The product of the union was Abraham's firstborn, Ishmael, the progenitor of the Ishmaelites. According to Theodor Nöldeke, she is the biblical personification of the nomadic Hagrites.[3]

The name Hagar originates from the Book of Genesis, and is only alluded to in the Quran. She is considered Abraham's second wife in the Islamic faith and acknowledged in all Abrahamic religions. In mainstream Christianity, she is considered a concubine to Abraham.[2]
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagar#

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You do realize you would probably not get the harem, but would probably be the villager whose next door dreamgirl and sister are taken to one?

You fucking idiot. It works for both sides.

The rise of intelligence was about competition between warring tribal bands of humans. And the men with the most "prestige", whether through battle or loot or heroism, attracted the most women.

Nobody is going to listen to your ideal faggotry when most people do it. Women are hypergamous. It's part of the reason why we got smarter, by adopting the genes of leaders who were able to get into the OODA loops of their enemy.

The intelligence, that you use to maintain a schizophrenic break between reality and ideology, was developed as essentially a murder death loot AI

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>China

lol no.

Basically every civilization that amounted to anything steered to monogamy, apart from the ruling classes of some of course.

Of course an emperor or some ancient godking could have had a number of wives without society going to shit, but if every man tried to do so, you would have mass murder everywhere because humans do not accept their null status forever.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy

fisheaters.com/garbagegeneration.html
The Garbage Generation
By Daniel Amneus

This book outlines the consequences of the destruction of the two-parent family and the need to stabilize it by strengthening its weakest natural link, the role of the biological father. I

The harem

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071129-ancient-harem.html

The discovery of archeological sites that prove religious behavior anticipates agricultural production and other traits of "civilized" society shows that religion predates civilization, the implications are that some form of inhibition and social control over the natural instincts and primitive urges of mankind are necessary for the maintenance of civilized society. That's why most religions endorse monogamy.

As society gets richer this simple fact is forgotten and society reverts to the harem pattern typical of pre-civilized societies. In this, the advanced society tends to collapse and the rise of a new monogamous order, though this is the likely future of the West, I don't think we will see this development in our lifetime. We live in the Golden Age of the Soft Harem.

>...and they didn't evolve to shit.

You have no idea what evolve means.

Harem is more natural but monogamous marriage gets better results.

>You never have a harem

>you would have mass murder everywhere because humans do not accept their null status forever.
Wasnt there that persian preacher that initiated some proto-commie stuff where the peasants came and took richfags's wealth and women to redistribute?

The best results are what define nature.

What is natural is hedonism. What makes man great is monogamy.

the only problem with harems is women fighting over the succession of their kids

waht the fuck is a soft harem

No, the problem with a harem culture is a lot of men not getting access to the women and then proceeding to go apeshit sooner or later.

so you mean like today?

Nigga there never was a case of a lack of women when harems were a thing.
Do you think harems were filled with local women?
They had slave women for that and you can't enslave your own so most of them were foreigners.

Both are perfectly natural.

It wouldn't occur frequently in human behaviour if it wasn't natural.

Monogamy tends to be enforced by religions & laws.

Not normal.

Only in your basement troglodyte mind.

>literally never heard of the blight apply called ''harem politics''

Having a host of non-blood related women in a single household is living hell.

Hell, even having a bunch of blood-related women living under the same roof will drive a man mad.

Is a harem where the women are not actually confined and may be even dating other guys, but are still emotionally and physically linked to an alpha male.

No it's like lions and if another male lion enters the territory they have to fight.

>religion
>not the most normal facet of all human history

l o l also development of monogamy is unrelated to abrahamism bitter fedora