What was warfare like with swords on the individual level?

What was warfare like with swords on the individual level?


Like did armies just run together and hack and slash until everyone got tired?

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Yea basically
But there were things like tactics, having cavalry, archers, gunners and in the 14th to 15th century; artillery

Swords were rarely used as primary offensive weapons. In general, lances/spears/pikes and ranged weapons were the primary weapons of war, with swords being reserve weapons, sidearms, and civilian weapons.

The major exceptions are typified by 4 general categories:

1 - Armies that deployed with infantry combat tactics organised and centred around one specific tactic, involving the use of swords. Post-Marian Roman Legions are the best example of this. The sword was the standard weapon around which their infantry tactics revolved. In this kind of warfare, the sword is just a replacement for the spear, the emphasis in combat is on discipline, unit cohesion, and all the other facets of organised warfare.

2 - Individualist swordsmen. Landsknechts, Samurai, and late medieval Knights typify this category. Soldiers who fight individually, with the goal being personal accomplishment either in single combat or in the single-handed breaking of a line. These kind of soldiers generally formed shock battalions or were the result of noblemen fighting on foot for various reasons.

3 - Tribal armies. 18th century highland Scots are by far the best example of this. These armies are large gangs of well armed individuals, who do not fight with organised, disciplined unit cohesion, but rather as a mass of heavy infantry whose goal is simply to close to melee and hack the enemy to pieces. This leads to exceptionally bloody warfare, and can be devastating, even against more technologically advanced and organised opponents through sheer force.

4 - Cavalry armies. 17th, 18th, and 19th century light and heavy cavalry, hussars and irregulars (cossacks and the like) often favoured the sword over the lance due to its flexibility and the lack of long-shafted infantry weapons that needed countering, allowing cavalry to close to melee before facing danger. Everyone knows how this works.

>tribal armies
>1700s Scotland

Am I missing something?

Lot of psychology there as well, if you had the bigger sword or dual wielded shields you could have chased enemy away from shear fear facing your imposing skills.

>dual wielded shields
Nice

The ancient melee was more of a gigantic shoving match.

It was nothing at all like that battle in Braveheart where both armies dissolve together with everyone picking a partner for exciting and dramatic 1 on 1 duels. Both sides maintained careful lines and the objective was to break the enemy line, not necessarily attempt to inflict lots of casualties (though that was of course encouraged.) Most of the actual death took place during the rout, when one side had finally broken and attempted to flee the losing side would turn into sheer chaos and would be systematically run down and exterminated by the victorious forces.

Battles were tedious affairs punctuated by brief moments of sheer terror. Generals would stress over every detail and often times both armies would be paraded out into their battle formations to stand there all day in the pouring rain waiting for the general to give the order to march, who may very well decide that the conditions were unfavorable and order his men to return to camp and do the same thing the next day, for days on end.

Once the battle commenced it was an uneven affair which eddied and flowed. Often times there would be lulls in the fighting where both sides backed away from each other to catch their breaths and regroup. The actual fighting would have been up close and dirty but people would have naturally stayed close to the guy next to him in order to rely on his shield for partial protection.

Swords dominated warfare up until the later medieval period when plate steel armor had become so sophisticated as to completely negate the primary advantages of a sword, and gradually fell into ceremonial and civilian use, and in the field maces and warhammers became more prominent as side arms while pikes became the preferred primary arm and would remain that way until firearms became sophisticated enough to be used by line infantry.

>Am I missing something?

Nope. Clans are a tribal structure based on extended family groups, who's interpersonal politics were focused on the submacro level of the clan above the individual, with all members of such acting as an extended agent in all respects.

Its thought by some scholars that this is one of the reasons the highland regiments had such an easy time associating with the North American native populations, as they could easily identify and understand what most others considered petty squables. They didn't see "indians fighting with indians", but two clans at odds.

So basically only the people on the front few lines did anything?

Depends on the army. For most of them there would have been a natural order where the bravest and most fierce men would make their way to the front while the lesser and more fearful men might stay back. Guys also might have fallen back into the ranks as they fatigued, and some militaries had drill which kept fresh troops cycling to the front so that it wasn't just a handful of guys doing all the work.

Yes.

Occasionally they'd put the braver and more veteran men at the back, or at least middle, in order to encourage the greener and less reliable fighters and prevent them from routing at the drop of a hat.

Byzantenes actually made it a point to put together heavily mixed units, with veterans and greens, brave and prudent men always together.

>Am I missing something?

The Highlanders were pretty famous for being one of the only armies in Europe still relying almost entirely on melee weapons in the mid 18th century. The weapon of choice being the basket hilted broadsword, which was used in tandem with a targe (a small, thick, round shield strapped to the left arm).

Their preferred method of engaging in combat was simply to charge head on at the enemy in a massed frontal infantry assault, accompanied with plenty of yelling and screaming and bagpipe playing. This was known as the 'Highland Charge' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_charge) and was, contrary to what you might expect, absolutely devastating due to the extreme and overwhelming morale shock it provided, the surprising speed with which they could cover the entire effective range of a musket, and the absolutely brutal damage they were able to inflict upon reaching the enemy line.

Facing the famous redcoat line infantry that would, only a few years later, be engaged in the 7 years war, and then the American war of independence, in 1745 and 46 (Bonnie Prince Charlie's Jacobite rebellion), this impulsive, relatively disorganised, tribal army inflicted two particularly impressive defeats on the government army (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prestonpans and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Falkirk_Muir) among numerous other small engagements, before finally being defeated at Culloden, relying almost entirely on rapid, overwhelming massed assaults.

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Isn't this guy considered a massive joke by medieval reconstructionists

Not him and I'm not sure, but to have the armored guy trying to hit with the hilt against an unarmored opponent is really stupid, which lends me to think that whomever set this up is something of a joke.

In case real fight is, a man in red will have hands in blood.

scotts are nig tier

> Isn't this guy considered a massive joke by medieval reconstructionists

No, nobody considers him a joke, he is an very skilled swordsman and was quite important in the early days of HEMA.

The issue is that the dude is a bit of an arrogant prick.

>calls someone nig tier
>cant spell scots

Depends on what kind of martial tactics were used, for example Roman Legionnaires relied on one another with the gladius and scutum, creating a shield wall and thrusting with the gladius.

Depends on the type of warfare and units involved.

Battles between more professional forces would be huge shoving matches.

More tribal societies would likely have more ceremonial warfare that was much more individual and about showing off your bravery.

>dual wielded shields
good one

No, people named Scott are cunts

oic

>Swords were rarely used as primary offensive weapons. In general, lances/spears/pikes and ranged weapons were the primary weapons of war, with swords being reserve weapons, sidearms, and civilian weapons.

Getting really tired of this meme

Please provide a counter argument to this "meme" then.

It's true

Depends on the period. Romans used swords in tight formations, mainly for stabbing. For most armies though swords were secondary weapons next to their polearms they would start using if their formation broke down.

wtf am I watching?

So then you mean "Yup"...

>historical facts are memes
kill yourself

Without seeing the show this is from, I image they're trying to show how some techniques without actually murdering the guy being hit. Not showing a way a man in armour would fight against an unarmoured opponent.

Why? Fuck knows. Maybe they only wanted to pay for one suit of armour. Maybe the director thought it would be more relatable to see his face rather than having two tin cans. Who knows? Film companies do stupid shot like this all the time (we had one company who wanted to spray our medieval tents and clothes with fake mud. Why? To male them "look more medieval"...)

He's going to sperg out about Romans or Napoleonic cavalry or some shit, while pretending we aren't blatantly talking about the middle ages.

no, it's called mordhau and was used against against armored opponents

the pommel and crossguard are used to strike

>halfswording against an unarmored opponent
???

That's how the manuscript they were portraying was like.

There we have it then. Thanks, I'll be sure to bring this up during the next shitstorm over that video