How can the catholic church dislike Luther...

From what I understood he wanted reform rather than a splintering of Christianity.

"Protestantism was a mistake."
- Luther

Can't argue with that...

Protestant Reformation is the best thing that could have happened to christians. It was only a "church" in name when Luther / Tyndale / Calvin / Knox came on the scene.

well that COULD have been possible but the CATHOLICS would not relent

Because the Catholic Church is the Church Christ himself built. It is the only path to salvation, all other denominations are heresy.

highly unlikely

The early christians were evangelicals not catholics

He unjustifiably and unnecessarily shattered Christianity unity for who knows how long

>From ~1100 to ~1600 it was arguably the most corrupt institution to ever have existed.

No. Besides, nothing justifies schism.

Wrong.

>ignoring the schism betwixt orthodoxy and catholicism after CATHOLICS raped and pillaged istanbul.

nice revisionism there

They practiced adult baptism and spoke in tongues,sounds evangelical to me

The schism was not because of Constantinople.

nonetheless...

evangelicals are retarded m8

>it was arguably the most corrupt institution to ever have existed
Given all the little boys who have been and continue to be traumatized by preacher-sinners, it is certainly one of them.
But all religions are about a bunch of guys' dominating women and children. Insecure people need to try and control others by force.
I can easily think of another religion that mostly rapes little girls. They likely also claim to be "saving" them.

Every insittuion under the sun is the same way. Schools, Hospitals, governments, sports teams. Everything is open to abuse. As is powerless people capable of abuse towards strangers.

Luther motivated the counter-reformation which restored Christianity in the West for another 400 years. For this i'm appreciative. This being said, losing the Northern states of Europe is a loss.

Because they support the corruption, which is why they oppose the Reformation. The chief corruption is the corruption of the true gospel into a false gospel, and they adore this corruption.

That's not exactly true. Luther regretted that the Reformation happened the way it did, and especially regretted the mistakes he had made, but maintained that the Reformation was absolutely necessary.

The Lord Jesus founded a Congregation, not an institution. Where the gospel is preached, there is the Church. The Roman church had been cut off, because it did not continue in faith, and had forfeited the title 'Israel of God'.

>He unjustifiably and unnecessarily shattered Christianity unity for who knows how long
No, he restored Christian unity by the recovery of Christian liberty.
>Besides, nothing justifies schism.
We did not leave Rome, Rome left us.

The Counter-Reformation was a work of Satan

>Christian liberty
Christianity was never about any form of liberty except for liberty from the desires of flesh.

The RCC started a counter-reformation with the order of the Jesuits.

Jesuits are the most evil, diabolical organization in the world. Catholics are the spawn of Satan.

Read the book "The Two Babylons" to understand how the Vatican is nothing but a satanic counterfeit religion.

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 14

And Catholic don't(mostly cannot) recognize that the reformation is revivalist movement to the gospel.
youtube.com/watch?v=56iHIhtGl4Q

Read it. Had no significance.

It grants Christians the liberty of conscience on minor issues

U my dawg, dawg

Where?

Literally the whole chapter, but in particular verse 5
>One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

>14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

but wasn't luther protesting the moral laxity of the Catholic Church?

Yes, and?
Paul isn't saying it's ok to sin

So the reformation was not about the liberty of conscience on minor issues

>minor issues
Sin is not a minor issue
>So the reformation was not about the liberty of conscience on minor issues
No, it wasn't, it was about the sufficiency of God's grace to save sinners.

>No, it wasn't, it was about the sufficiency of God's grace to save sinners.
So you admit your wrong here

*you're

I didn't claim the Reformation was about the liberty of conscience on minor issues, I claimed that the Reformation restored the liberty of conscience on minor issues, which is a fact.

>Protestants did represent a threat towards the Emperor of the HRE
nope. Charles V bungled the the spread of protestantism. If he had immediately crushed the reformation and even executed Luther he could've nipped the Reformation in the bud. Once it had spread like wildfire in the early 1520s, the only option was some sort of accommodation. But he didn't do that. He waited 20 years before attacking the Protestants in the Schmalkaldic War. He won that war but it was a hollow victory. The Schmalkaldic league got dissolved but the protestantism was too popular to be rooted out by force. When Charles V tried to follow up his victory by reincorporated the lutherans into the catholic church again, but it utterly backfired because Catholic princes didn't like growing imperial power and the protestants rose up in arms and drove Charles out of Germany.

>I claimed that the Reformation restored the liberty of conscience on minor issues, which is a fact.
How? Especially considering the whole point was to remove perceived moral laxity.

with french funding* i should ad at the end

>How?
This has already been explained to you. Baptists and Lutherans do not anathematize each other because they believe in the liberty of the Christian.
>Especially considering the whole point was to remove perceived moral laxity.
Sin is not a minor issue

Having a different doctrine is not a minor issue of conscience . Also I've f heard Lutherans call baptist heretics so your claim is BS.

>perceived moral laxity
It was actual moral laxity. Peasants would deliberately sin all day, then go to confession and buy an indulgence.

Not the guy you're arguing with but the major issue of the Reformation was essentially the obfuscation by the Church on the matter of justification, expressly for the purpose of obtaining revenue.

>the major issue of the Reformation was essentially the obfuscation by the Church on the matter of justification
I thought it was indulgences.

>Having a different doctrine is not a minor issue of conscience
Yes it is. If we proclaim the same gospel, and worship the same God, why should we anathematize each other?
>Also I've f heard Lutherans call baptist heretics
I haven't, but I have heard Catholics call Hindus their brothers, so I guess that makes Catholicism a modernist liberal pluralist universalist religion.

Indulgences were the initial cause of the Reformation, but justification was the material principle.

>catholicucks

>Yes it is.
So why do you have an issue with Catholics?

Because we have a different gospel

>Because we have a different gospel
Sounds rather relative. After all the gospels are only slightly different.

tell me about Luther, why did he hate jews?

Because they didn't want to be Christian. He was very open and unusually lax towards them in the beginning ; until he realized that they basically had a long standing culture of NOT being Christian and rejecting missionary attempts. Prior to this he seemed to think that no one had properly attempted to evangelize among them rather than them simply not wanting to be Christian. His realization of this led to his harsh criticism of them and desire to simply seem them expelled

The gospel is a message, not a writing

Because they are ever a stiffnecked people

>the Catholic Church is the Church Christ himself built
jews build synagogues, not churches

Jesus founded a Church, not a synagogue

no, his followers did

Jesus founded it through them. He sent the Spirit on pentecost

that isn't how it worked. only the rich bought indulgences, most of the money being used to renovate papal rome (not that that is a good thing necessarily)

>Peasants would deliberately sin all day, then go to confession and buy an indulgence.

>tfw this is the history board
>tfw you expect people to be even slightly historically literate

Heresy is heresy.

The Lakers are heretics to the Spurs.

Nice argument

Peasants could afford indulgences if they saved their money
Not an argument

If a shitload of people were donating money, land, and valuables to you, and then someone convinced them to stop, how would you feel about that someone?

He ultimately fell into terrible sin. He started with good intentions, but by the end of things his heresy was so great as to make all his original aims worthless. He called for the abolition of the priesthood, and removed books from the Bible he claimed to love.

I think he was an instrument of Satan, personally. The Devil took him up and made him a tool.

>He called for the abolition of the priesthood
Rightly so, there is no Christian priesthood in scripture, it is nothing more than a novelty
>removed books from the Bible
No mere man can remove from scripture, since those books derive their canonicity solely from the fact they are God-breathed. The loss of the Hebrew originals of those seven books demonstrates their mere human origin.

>my branch of heresy is better than your branch of heresy.
First christians were gnostics.

"The Logos was made flesh"
t. John, the disciple who Jesus loved

>why would they dislike the guy who led millions of souls to damnation

hmmmm

>The Lord Jesus founded a Congregation, not an institution. Where the gospel is preached, there is the Church.

Wrong, Christ said each person was a stone of a temple and that when one is with another, God is there.

This was to counter the obsession in judaism to a central temple.

The gospel has nothing to do with it.

Source: the book of lies whose miracles can't be done, meanwhile I reached gnosis and had spirit sex just fine.

He led people to salvation, since he restored the true gospel

Get accustomed to those demons who showed you signs, you'll be with them for eternity

>demons!
Do a miracle so I can see you truly belong to God.
*crickets*

I only listen to people who can do miracles lest I fall in the hands of verbose deceivers.

No, you have no right to demand anything of your creator. He who fashioned your soul will destroy it.

No, you have no right to demand anything of your creator. He who fashioned your soul will destroy it.
The true God would not make Himself your servant, to order about.

Youre not my creator, so I will feel free to discard your words as falsehoods, as for my destiny, I'm omw to heaven.

That's not true though, that's the period in which it became a serious bureaucracy which interfered in politics only later in that time did they lose the plot, unless you think forminh such an empire is losing the plot in the first place(I disagree).

It was really ingenious, the church was seminal in the rise of europe and was one of the main contributors to trade, which always flowed to Italy and that helped spark the Renaissance, here's how it worked.

So a bishopry from northern europe collects a Tithe for the pope and is supposed to send it to him. However transporting money all the way to Italy is way too dangerous so they found a way around it. First they notified the pope that a Tithe could be collected.
Then in Rome auctions are held, the Tithes are auctioned to the highest bidder, who may then collect it. These would then contact merchants to whom they'd give the tithe as a loan(remember loans without interest weren't forbidden) and the merchants would take the tithe from the bishop and use it to trade so they make a profit, they would travel southward trading on the way to eventually repay their loan in Italy and they still made a profit. This ensured that Italy would be the economic heart of europe and it was good for the economy overall. Not to mention it spawned Italian banking.
just something I wanted to share.

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>Given all the little boys who have been and continue to be traumatized by preacher-sinners, it is certainly one of them.

Problem is worse in Protestant denominations and worse still in secular institutions.

Thanks for salvaging this &humanities thread with a bit of real history.

allme

>2017
>catholics are still butthurt
>mfw