What are some other successful libertarian countries throughout history besides America?

What are some other successful libertarian countries throughout history besides America?

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>america
>succsessful

Try again :^)

>the most powerful nation in the world
>not succesful

stay buttmad, achmed

>America was libertarian

Nice meme

youtube.com/watch?v=72ntkmdF9Yk

>Noam Chomsky
You think I want to listen to that retard? You might as well have linked Bowling for Columbine in a debate about gun control.

>most powerful
>still makes the worst movies and food
>has objectively the worst people
>sucsessful

Okelydoke

>OBJECTIVELY
Citation needed Pablo

Looks like you forgot about the 80's.

Best movies, best music, American culture exported throughout the world.

>mfw this foreigner tries to shit talk when my country could destroy his in less than a week

>Noam Chomsky on
Stopped reading there

America was the creation of Boston Puritans first and foremost, whose most obvious descendent is modern Progressives. Nothing libertarian about it whatsoever.

>>the most powerful nation in the world
>can't defeat sandniggers with aks in the almost plain open desert-field for nearly a 4 decades

France

You Amerifags are so quick to get pissy. No wonder you managed to fuck up the middle east for the rest of us

Austria

don't forget about rice farmers

>what are Rules of Engagements

If we could go unrestrained, the place would be turned into glass in no time.

**literally everyone jumps down the Americans throats with all kinds of shit and you expect no retaliation?

>inB4 muh banter

The inside joke with my group of friends is that "its like the UN in here hue hue hue"
We can take the banter you faggot, you foreigners just dont know when to quit. Just like in your shitty pubs you bunch o damn drunks dont know when to stfu and let the fun end

>we can take the banter
>thinks the fun can end

pick one

>stop bantering me it's not fun anymore :(

America is not libertarian. A faction of her people might be, but any libertar government died with the American Revolution

>America
>libertarian
Literally when the fuck will this meme end? They were EXTREMELY protectionist since day one. If anything America in the past 25 years has been more "libertarian" than the old one.

Somalia

America was literally libertarian for only a few days before the Whiskey Rebellion happened.

We invented banter so we decide when it stops

>libertarian
>successful

Pick one.

The US is actually known for being one of the most protectionist nations in the world.

>high foreign tariffs
>government subsidy of energy, technology and military
>government interference during boom years 1) clearing land of natives 2) protecting slavery
>socialistic New Deal got US out of Great Depression, Obama Keynesian got US out of Great Recession

How do you not know this?

I can still taste Reagan like it was yesterday.

>I can still taste Reagan

It's called "deficit".

America was at its most libertarian between 1870 and 1890 and look what that got us: 90 hour work weeks in factories where people would literally die on the job and not be swept out of the building until closing time, families of 15 living in one bedroom apartments that were attached to factories, sharecropping practices that would make a feudal lord blush, and robber barons using their power and influence to have the national guard fire at striking workers.

This. Upton Sinclair is worth a read.

America has never been libertarian.

>The Boston tea party was protesting a tax cut
>George Washington founded the post office aka big government infrastructure
>Thomas Jefferson paid down the war debt so that he could invest in top notch public education
>The Erie Canal was derided in its day as wasteful big government spending that opened up the Hudson River and was basically one of America's single best investments besides the Louisiana purchase

America was never Libertarian. The closest thing we have in history to a true libertarian society was the Congo Free State
>No representational government
>basically just a state sized piece of private property
>management exercises unlimited control over labor
The result was one of history's worst human rights shitshows
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State

>build a thriving industry based around resource extraction, giving jobs to hundreds of thousands of local people who had previously been hunter-gatherers or subsistence farmers
>m-muh human rights are being infringed
You leftists really are pathetic.

Not all leftists are pathetic, Stirnerites actually would agree with you.

sounds like paradise (when you are one of the factory owners), and who cares about the poor anyway? We could replace them with minorities for today's standards and create a new servant caste that works while civilized human beings can advance the nation in other ways

>spooked into being Leopold II's cuck
not really

Don't confuse OP. I get a distinct feeling he doesn't even understand his own politics, let alone the internal politics of the Left.

>sounds like paradise (when you are one of the factory owners), and who cares about the poor anyway? We could replace them with minorities for today's standards and create a new servant caste that works while civilized human beings can advance the nation in other ways

CRIIIIIIIIINGE

>implying being a hunter-gatherer with freedom is worse than being a wageslave with no freedom
Spot the corporate bootlicker.

The US stopped being libertarian as soon as the Articles of Confederation was replaced with the constitution that delegated significant power to the executive branch.

>Thriving industry around resource extraction
This never happens, the only people who benefit from resource extraction are the ones using said resources to make finished goods that they sell to consumers who can afford them, i.e. people who aren't African tribals

>Deficit
Obama?

its hilarious when people speak of their fantasy world as if they were going to be at the top of society

Washington:
>Whiskey Rebellion
Adams:
>Alien and Sedition Acts
Jefferson:
>Barbary Wars
>Embargo Act
Madison:
>War of 1812
Monroe:
>Monroe Doctrine
John Quincy Adams:
>Internal Improvements
Andrew Jackson:
>Indian Removal
>Tariff of 1828/Nullification Crisis
Martin van Buren:
I guess, Locofocos supported him, but he was only president for 4 years and his prior running mate literally killed Indians for fun
John Tyler:
>annexing Texas
James K. Polk:
>Mexican-American War
Zach Taylor:
Inconclusive
Millard Fillmore:
>anti-immigrant/nativist
Franklin Pierce:
>Kansas Nebraska Act
>Fugitive Slave Act
James Buchanan:
>Ostend Manifesto
>Dred Scott
Abe Lincoln:
>Suspending habeas corpus
>Income tax
Andrew Johnson:
>Reconstruction
Ulysses S. Grant:
>Great Sioux War of 1876/Battle of the Little Bighorn
>Corruption

I could go on, but can any of you seriously name any libertarian measures that were in the United States? The Founding Fathers were great, but they weren't some non-interventionist tax hating hippies the way libertarians make them out to be. The closest thing the US has had to a libertarian president would be Calvin Coolidge (no you don't get to fucking claim Reagan, he was a conservative), who was president for 8 out of the 241 years of this nation's existence, 3.32% of the nation's history.

I see you are unfamiliar with Australia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland

Actual libertarian here. Confusing libertarianism with anarcho-capitalism is a meme. The general idea is that individual rights are important and unjustly demonized, not that we should try to impose a theoretical abstraction on the world.

Every country with a semblance of a free market has received a strong dose of classical liberalism, it is the principle set of ideas that allows it to exist on a large scale. There are only 2 other significant political philosophies that are actually applied in practice, namely authoritarianism and populism. For example North Korea does not really apply Juche in practice, in reality it is very authoritarian. Likewise Venezuela is not socialist, in practice it represents the worst of populism.

Libertarians shamelessly piggyback the accomplishments of capitalism. However why not? If you take a pace back and look at the world, besides technology, there has never been a greater force for self-improvement than allowing people autonomy. If we can make capitalism 1% better we would accomplish far more than making socialism 500% better since socialism was a pipe dream to begin with.

>I could go on, but can any of you seriously name any libertarian measures that were in the United States?
I don't know if it's libertarian per se but the Homestead Act was neat while it lasted.

>If we could go unrestrained, the place would be turned into glass in no time.

And now you know what Steinbeck was referring to

left libertarian, here. The confusion is that anarcho-capitalism carries the right-wing interpretation to its logical conclusion. If your mindset is "the government is always bad and the free market is always better" then eventually you get people who call for the complete abolition of public government and rearrange society into being ruled by private entities who are held unaccountable to any public mandate or wider good outside of their own bottom line.

>Libertarians shamelessly piggyback the accomplishments of capitalism. However why not?
Because not all kinds of Capitalism are Free-Market Capitalism. China, for example, in abandoning centralization, adopted a form of state-managed capitalism. The explosive growth in the mid-century took place when the capitalist world was being managed by Keynesian economic policy which is starkly different from laissez-faire Capitalism. "Capitalism" as right-wing libertarians define it is a very specific set of policy proposals which did not take form until the 1970's by conservative activists still smarting from Barry Goldwater's crushing defeat.

The last time we had something approaching laissez-faire capitalism was the paleo-conservative era, a period of American politics created by the backlash against Wilsonian internationalism, until the paleo-conservative right was defeated in a resounding rout by Franklin Delano Roosevelt after the great depression threw their entire world order into disarray, and the raft or protectionist measures put in place to stop the depression only made things worse.

>Calvin Coolidge
You're referring to the paleo-conservative era, a list which also includes Warren G. Harding and Herbert Hoover. One was a scandal-ridden incompetent, the other was a businessman with no electoral experience.

It's worth mentioning that the most "libertarian" period in American history also corresponds to the era of false hopes and the rudest wake up call in economic history

Left and right economics do not equal authoritarian vs libertarian social policies.

But socialism did take root in America and you're just playing against the most cutthroat capitalists in the world.

>the most cutthroat capitalists in the world.
And the gullible dupes who drink their semen

>anarcho-capitalism carries the right-wing interpretation to its logical conclusion
Libertarian principles should just be taken into account alongside other reasonable things.

>The explosive growth in the mid-century took place when the capitalist world was being managed by Keynesian economic policy
This was mainly due to new technology and America's position after the ww2 not Keynesian economics, the 70s stagflation revealed its weaknesses. It only works in the short term and only affects what is actually due to a lack of aggregate demand, in the long term you need something more like monetarism or you end up with a bubble.

>backlash against Wilsonian internationalism
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilsonianism
Kind of sounds like a libertarian.

>the great depression threw their entire world order into disarray
You mean when the federal reserve was created in response to the panic of 1907 but then failed to do its job after the 1929 crash.

>protectionist measures put in place to stop the depression only made things worse
Obviously.

>This was mainly due to new technology and America's position after the ww2 not Keynesian economics
it was the longest sustained middle class in world history, and has been gradually evaporating ever since they were abandoned.

> the 70s stagflation
Revealed no such thing, it was corrected by Paul Volcker's monetary policy which went into effect long before Ronald Reagan was there to swoop in and take credit for the boom and use it as a precedent to install neoliberal economics and dismantle vast swathes of the regulatory apparatus. Jimmy Carter was the unlucky bastard who happened to be president while the country was going through its corrective period.

>Kind of sounds like a libertarian.
one of the core tenets of Wilsonism was internationalism, "spreading democracy" and acting like a power player on the world stage, something libertarians are traditionally opposed to, being drawn more towards the isolationism and hands off approach of paleo-conservatism

>You mean when the federal reserve was created in response to the panic of 1907 but then failed to do its job after the 1929 crash.
Prior to 1907 market swings could be truly crippling. And there was little that the federal reserve could do after 12 years of paleo-conservative domination. The 20's were years when Republicans faced record majorities in the government.

>Obviously
Glad we at least agree on the foolishness of protectionism

>successful
>libertarian
>countries

Watch your mouth gaijin, or we'll see if your blade is as sharp as your tongue.

>3.8 trillion dollar federal budget
>states can't leave the union
>all workers guaranteed at least $15,000 a year
>libertarian
kek

>implying the Federal Reserve wasn't steadily hiking interest rates for a year before the 1929 crash

They saw Black Thursday coming, but they didn't see the mass bank runs and worldwide economic collapse coming (to be fair, nobody else did either - the atmosphere of late 1929 saw the crash as indicative of minor correction rather than deep economic disaster. It wouldn't be until the bank runs in the fall of '30 that people saw how shortsighted they had been).

Yes, the early federal reserve made its share of mistakes which are too be expected when you talk about managing something as complex as a monetary policy for an industrial economy, but since then the market has been vastly more stable than it ever was in the gilded age.