Hispanic-Americans

>They want free gibs me dat
Everyone does. You would to if you didn't have dat, no one you knew had dat, and didn't know what to do to get dat without someone giving you dat.

Mexicans and blacks are far rightists they just want free shit and illegal immigration.

>doesn't mean they've assimilated.
Yes it does, we're a melting pot. Were you expecting them to start acting "white" or something?

Did southies not "assimilate" either?

Why do Republicans that reach out to Hispanics not win majorities then? Reagan gave amnesty in California in 1986, why don't Hispanics love him?

As a percentage, wasn't the highest immigration in American history in the 1890s? Those people still integrated and many of them, especially the Irish, weren't viewed of as "White" in the same way White Americans looked at each other.

Why aren't immigrants from other communist latin American countries the same? For instance, Brazil is a corrupt leftist shithole.

They're not going to start acting like Reginald McWhitey. if you're going to complain about Chicanos, you might as well complain about how people from New England all brag about how they're AYYYRISHHHH or how white people from the Midwest talk about how they're German or Scandinavian on boards like /pol/

Chicago was once 75% foreign-born in United States history and we had huge issues assimilating germans, poles, italians, etc. How do we integrate Chicano like we did them? It's clear that there is an assimilation problem in Latino communities (especially with how so many don't speak English that we need to have a press 2 for spanish).

Only the black panthers are fascist/ethno-socialists though, latinos are generally lefty

Is that why Prop 8 passed in California? Once Latinos get a sizable voting share and Officer Rodriguez shoots Tyrone, will Latinos become more conservative? (ex: how Asians rallied behind the Asian officer that shot a black guy)

Yes. Either they are culturally alike to the dominant culture, or they have not assimilated, they've just splintered from their mother culture. As is the clearly the case with Chicanos.

And yes "acting white" is pretty much what assimilating means. Even though Obama is black clearly he has assimilated because he acts totally white. "White" being code for dominant American cultural attitudes.

>We're a melting point
The point of a melting point is that foreign cultures enter then assimilate while contributing their own innovations to American culture. Entering, being ghettoized, and then new cultures emerging from those communities that are distinct both from the dominant culture and their original culture is the exact opposite of a melting pot.

>Did southies not "assimilate" either?
Yes.

Generally because right-wing Brazillians are pretty wealthy, so they'd rather wait until the CIA liberates them from communist oppression at home.

Whereas Cubans already live in a totally planned economy, they have nothing to lose by going to America.

Except here's the thing. When they forget that their great, great granny's dog came from Limerick they go back to acting like the vast majority of white American people. Modern minority cultures like Chicanos and indeed like African-Americans (despite them being there for longer than most white-American communities).

>How do we integrate Chicano like we did them?
Not let Ghettos form. That's the problem.
In the 1800s moving from Europe into a low-income urban neighbourhood in America meant living amongst already settled Americans and other foreigners from other parts of Europe.

Now moving from Mexico into a low-income urban neighbourhood in America means probably living amongst other Latinos and maybe a minority of non-Latino Americans.

Blame the republicans for wanting cheap labour and not defending the border before this came a problem.

>Modern minority cultures like Chicanos and indeed like African-Americans (despite them being there for longer than most white-American communities).
I didn't finish that sentence. What I meant to say was

>Modern minority cultures like Chicanos and indeed like African-Americans (despite them being there for longer than most white-American communities) however are visibly distinct from mainstream American culture. Possibly even more distinct than some independent countries from one and other.

My dad's parents sent him away from Cuba a few years after Castro came to power and eventually ended up in Venezuela. Later my parents studied in the US but returned to Venezuela until Chavez came to power which was when they left for the US for good.

They think Clinton was the best president ever because he fixed the economy, but other than that they are hardcore Fox News establishment Republicans deeply opposed to Trump. They absolutely hate all socialism and liberal economic policies in any form. They arrived in the US legally, broke but well educated, and worked hard to make a comfortable upper middle class living for themselves. They learned English and assimilated just fine, but we still speak Spanish at home and eat Latin food and aren't ashamed of our heritage. They have a lot of sympathy for illegal immigrants who are willing to work hard and ask for amnesty, but they hate immigrants who they see as being entitled and lazy.

He fucked up central america. He's partly why so many became refugees from civil wars in those countries and some sought refuge in the US. George Bush was kinda popular among Latinos.

No

To your entire post.

There us no such thing as "american culture", we are a series of regional cultures. There isn't an overarching culture. What binds us, or should, is the constitution. Not some fictional culture that stays the same from San Jose to Providence.

Besides chicano culture IS like american culture, African-American culture.

>There us no such thing as "american culture", we are a series of regional cultures

This. A white hipster from San Francisco will not act the same way a white conservative from coal country does.

Mexicans liked dubya and if Jeb! made it they would've turned out for him.

define "partly popular"

didn't he try and pass amnesty too?

p-proof?

Well he got a pretty significant portion of their vote. If i recall it was like over 40%

after Trump is there any way to recover that?

t. hispanic conservative

Can confirm. I'm latino and would have voted for high energy Jeb.

I actually agree. At this point America has so many internal cultures that are so vastly different from each other that there is no one "American" culture. This doesn't just apply to minority cultures, this applies to certain white American cultures like Mormons and Southerners as well. However, I think an important part of what made America great is the melting-pot nature of it and that this is something we should aspire to.

I should also say I'm not saying "American culture", I'm saying "mainstream American culture". Which is very much a thing, a white middle-class Christian/atheist/Jew from San Francisco doesn't differ very much from a similar person from someone from New York from a similar background despite the exact origins of those families probably being very different. Even if there isn't an absolute American culture, there's very much a dominant American culture, and this is something minority cultures can very must attest to as witnessed in their art and cultural attitudes.

>Besides chicano culture IS like american culture, African-American culture.
Yes, it's LIKE dominant American culture, but it's also LIKE the original Mexican culture, in this way it manages to be something distinct from both.

Because of psychology, immigrant/native dynamics.

First, the psychological aspect: People generally support a reward system that is most expedient to them. For example, when people work together on a project, the people that did the most work are more likely to support a merit-based reward system. People that do less than or no more than their fair share prefer an equal rewards system.

How does this relate to Immigrants and the Democratic party? The Democratic party is the party of maintaining or increasing the welfare state. The welfare state is in practice a post hoc equal reward mechanism. It redistributes wealth away from the higher-achieving income earners to the underachieving poor, which brings society closer to a socioeconomic equilibrium.

Immigrants support this system because the economic stresses of immigrating from one country to another means that immigrants on the aggregate will always economically under-perform compared to their native born counterparts. So being a 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant means being more likely to support a massive welfare state, which means being more likely to support the Democratic party.

This is why the democratic party supports mass migration, especially from the 3rd world.

Tbqh I'm not sure there is.

Preach it, amigo.

>dominant American culture
Pic related amirite?

>>Modern minority cultures like Chicanos and indeed like African-Americans (despite them being there for longer than most white-American communities) however are visibly distinct from mainstream American culture.
Not only distinct but adversarial as well I would add.

>What binds us, or should, is the constitution
Which chicano culture and African American culture place no value on and feel no loyalty to, beyond their capacity to take advantage of the protections granted by it while advocating that those protections be withdrawn from real Americans.

Not really. I would was picturing something more like this.

Nigga blacks love guns

They don't have to act the same way, they do have to feel some sense of loyalty and attachment to the history of the country, a quality which "minority" cultures like African Americans and Mexican Americans do not, as their cultural history is one that is antagonistic to America. A quality causing them to view historical American victories as their defeats, and historical American achievements as occuring at their expense in a zero sum sense.

You forgot the black bull

Yet overwhelmingly vote democrat anyway.

Yes user American culture used to be associated with large white patriarchal families what a horrible backward time it was.

That's not American culture, that's some tourists standing in the street, they could be from anywhere.

Why isn't the husband black and the wife carrying a newborn mulatto baby? Kids should still be white though.

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Yes, to shoot white people with not because of some connection to European Enlightenment values.

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The Norman Rockwell painting of a big family sitting down to eat Turkey could also easily take place anywhere else. But that's not the point, the point is that's what a "normal" American family would look like.

The Addams family were not patriarchal. Morticia was the real head of the household.

Hispanics rely on government healthcare and education and don't benefit from ethno-nationalism

>the point is that's what a "normal" American family would look like.
No, actually, the point was that it was a manufactured lie. It was never true, it was a corporate ideal that was never really considered normal by american society.

Just like his idea of a dominant american culture.

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Ftfy

And Tony Scaruffi wearing a full body Italian flag tracksuit is not?

> it was a corporate ideal that was never really considered normal by american society.
A middle-class family standing in the street looking white is not considered normal.

Right.

Degenerate. Reported.

No it could not as the turkey dinner is a cultural tradition tied specifically to Anglo derived cultures.

The Norman Rockwell painting dumbass

>It was never true, it was a corporate ideal that was never really considered normal by american society.
You commies believe the most retarded shit.

>A family of white people eating Turkey isn't normal.
For most Normal Rockwell paintings you'd be right. But that's probably the most realistic one he ever made.

>No, actually, the point was that it was a manufactured lie. It was never true, it was a corporate ideal that was never really considered normal by american society.
>In 2017 the idea of family sitting down to dinner is so far removed from the average person's norms it HAS to be a carefully curated corporate lie

oh boy I really don't want to live on this planet any more

>That baby
Looks like the black guy got cucked by Hernandez Thunderguac

>black guy got cucked
Literally impossible

No, that's the new lie by neoliberals to sell them today's new low as normalcy.

>Stupid goy, you grandparent's and parent's lived experiences were a figment of your imagination. Living in an apartment that eats 2/3rds of your income, childess and unmarried in your thirties still paying off your student debts is realistically what you should expect.

But it just happened.

Everyone being that happy and getting along for a nice hot thanksgiving turkey dinner perfectly cooked by gran-gran IS an ideal though, and as such not the norm.

Audibly laughed

It isn't though.

I'm quite positive that even today that happens regularly.

Wasn't that painting commissioned by a magazine?

I'm sure people try but there's always alcoholic uncle rob or some other mundane imperfect bullshit.

>It isn't though.
I disagree, norman rockwell paintings are ideals, they're kinda notorious for being so.

Or cousin suzy everyone is on suicide watch for.

>a happy well adjusted family where the father is not an abusive drunk, the mother is not addicted to amphetamines, the son is not a compulsive masturbator, and the daughter is not dating a black man?
>UNREALISTIC! STOP GIVING THE GOYIM POSITIVE AFFIRMING ROLE MODELS SHUT IT DOWN!
I wonder who could be behind this post...

Don't project your degenerate family problems onto the rest of the world user, I'm truly sorry for whatever circumstances that contributed you to thinking grandma putting a turkey on a table to the delight of her smiling relatives is idealized corporate propaganda with no basis in reality.

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Charles did the right thing killing that whore diana ensuring the Arabs stay out of that bloodline.

I mean the fact that Trump won works now, but what about the future? Hispanics are going to become 30%+ of the US population.

If the Democrats had run Hillary in 2008 rather than Obama, could McCain have won 30-40% of the HIspanic vote?

Can you prove it's normal?

Can you prove that it's normal for families to be dysfunctional my Jewish friend?

Your sperging out isn't going to make that fantasy any more real.

>a happy family sitting down for a meal is a fantasy

What even is dysfunctional? Stop using your tricky Jew words.

Well I guess I could browse through thousands of photos of Thanksgiving gatherings on Facebook recreating that scene both to the letter and in spirit, but at this point I think it's best we admit you're just playing dumb and that we both move on.

A family coming together specifically for thanksgiving and everyone being happy and everything working out is the fantasy, not people having dinner together. Don't strawman.

>recreating
Yes, exactly, staging it. Faking it if you will.

Who hurt you user?

In general, yeah. I've acknowledged that.

But that particular painting is perfectly mundane and realistic.

>There's no such thing as dysfunctional, everything is normal except normalcy!
They just can't help themselves, it's in their nature to corrupt.

But it's not.

Every year millions of families sit down for Thanksgiving and I'm sure more than a few of them are happy about it.

>that particular painting
Oh so you mean not like the unrealistic ones, like the one of a guy standing and talking, or that one of the guy smoking a pipe, or the one of a guy driving a car...not like those unrealistic ones...right?

>people coming together for dinner is realistic
>except on Thanksgiving though, because everyone magically transforms into werejunkies.

But it's never that perfect though.

>except on Thanksgiving though
Yes because generally it's extended family and that carries some problems.

Catholics usually vote Democrat even when White.

No, I mean more like this one with a dude looking very happy and photogenic to be cleaning windows.

However generally Turkey does make people happy.