Allied soldiers in World war 2

Do you think if allied soldier were shown what their countries would look like in 2017(with the exception of Russia), they would still continue to fight the axis.

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Hitler was pro muslim, unlike the allies. He would've loved modern Europe.

yes

Yeah probably. We can dream and jack off to what we think wouldve happened after the Axis won WW2 but it could've been shittier than what we have now.

Yup. They would also send all Germans to death camps or Syberia. We need to remember that nowadays World situation is Germany's fault.

>England
50/50
>France
Yes
>America
Yes
>Poland
Yes
>Russia
Toss up
>Yugoslavia
No

It could and almost certainly would have been a lot shittier. Heavily irradiated Europe, for starters, since the air war is certain to go nuclear before the WAllies give up.

Even harder so, if they saw homeland free of Germs they would shed manly tears of happiness.

They would fight much harder when seeing how much insanely better off modern technology would make their lives, and how their sacrifice ensured that G*rmans never chimped out again like they had done multiple times in the past.

>Yugoslavia
>No
You underestimate the stubborn pride/"inat" of Balkaniggers

>Russia
>Toss up

So they would just let the Germans kill them all?

They would still fight, after seeing their counties full of crime, and rampant liberalism/degeneracy ?

Yes you dumb stormfag

modern europe is certainly a better place to live than pre-ww2 europe

Nazis wouldn't have prevented that.

Yeah, it's not like the Nazis would ever say, use a lot of drugs or have dudes buttfucking each other, no siree.

The Russians didn't know the Germans were fighting a war of extermination at the time, though there were some very strong hints.

There was even a Russian fascist fifth column. Though they were closer to the Japanese than to the Germans.

But for how much longer

for a good long while probably

>claim to be against degeneracy
>appoint a literal convicted child rapist into a position of power

>Fascists sitting in Manchuria
>relevant
K

Of course. They believed their cultures were great, and if they took any more than a superficial look at their countries they would realise that they had not been wrong.

permaban all wehraboos

His end was kinda ironic

If the Nazis won society would probably be even more drug-abusing and sexual than it is now, but at the same time it would probably also still be racist.

liberalism is objectively speaking the most successful system by a long shot

Undeserved*

Crime rates in 2017 are objectively much lower than they were in 1945.

Not sure why they'd stop fighting.

What posses you to put a space before the question mark

Memes

It's a thing in French grammar, but he may also just be retarded

Deserved*

God I hate the fucking French more now

u mad ?

*Undeservedly ironic

He should have just been shot and left to die.

Kinda

what happened?
Did a little boy rape him to death?

So much damage control in this thread.

from whom

Feel free to prove us all wrong with well cited sources.

Was beaten to death by Polish guards

Did they use their penises to beat him to death?

i like my idea better

Yes, you are not welcome here. Why don't you kindly fuck off now?

Very possible

>Europe is a shithole now!
>Has never been to Europe
>Only to /pol/

See son, these soldiers would still fight because their victory gave their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren easy lives with boundless prosperity.

That is why people mean they want to defend their country. To give their kin a better life, only an autist who spends 90% of their day on /pol/ or planning his school shooting thinks there is any major crime issues in the West. The "rampant liberalism/degeneracy" has given many countries a quality of life that has never been seen on such a large basis

Nope. Instead of cucking it up and assuming it was worth the fight you could have looked it up.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

t. not /pol/

I think it's pretty safe to say if you showed any soldier what his country would be like in 50 years, they'd stop fighting on the spot and probably break down. Doesn't matter if it's a US boy in the 40s, a protestant during the 30 years war, or a legionnaire at the height of Rome.

No.

There would be mass desertion and surrender to the Germans.

But it's a fitting punishment to the traitorous shitholes of Britain and France. I kinda like the outcome of the war.

In the end, Germans were victorious.

best damage control itt

>I'll fight to give my descendants a good life, so my son and grandson can attend college, get a job, start a family, believe in God and be overall a good and free human being
>70 years later
>hi grandpa I'm multiply disabled transgendered pyrofox queer-anarchist who will live my life off welfare because work is bourgeois plus I sold your vintage car to pay for rent of my new muslim boyfriend

yeah right he would totally fight

Do not understand why anyone would ever want the Axis to win the war.

>living under a war economy
>living under an incompetent dictator
>living under constant surveillance
>types of music and art are literally BANNED

Fucking why? Is it just "muh kul uniforms"?

It's very simple. You can break it down into a two word sentence

>FUCKING JEWS!

do you /pol/tards even leave your room

wow this is an amazing argument consider me convinced user

>Allied nations maintained war economy as well
>EU hates democracy
>surveillance is currently at an alltime high
>You get killed brutally after drawing Mohammed in cartoons

Why? All the evidence that we have anno 2017, all the data is proving the national socialists right.

no him but
I went to Europe in 2013 to see most of Western Europe. Small towns were beautiful and all that. Big cities like Paris, London, Amsterdam, Munich all looked like an average American city (I live in Chicago) everywhere was filthy, very few white people, rarely a lick of the national language being spoken. At least in Berlin and Frankfurt it was less so the case I saw more Germans than non-Germans. I think especially with the more casual racism in the 40s those citizens of the UK and France would gladly switch sides, especially if they saw their heritage and culture being eroded and replaces by American or Arabic culture.

how does someone fall for the memes this hard

>hitler predicted jews will ruin everything
>jews ruin everything

>Do not understand why anyone would ever want the Axis to win the war.

daym

>England
>50/50

What? Britain definitely would change to the Axis

>Allies
>Empire is crippled after the war, can't stop the independence movements because no power anymore and no fucking money
>Can't even really attempt to keep hold of colonies because the Eternal Burger says colonialism is bad and is actively fighting against it
>That very same Eternal Burger basically makes a global empire of their own even though they gave you shit for it before and assassinates democratically elected leaders across the globe to put their preferred people in power
>Piece of shit De Gaulle campaigns against you joining the EEC even though you kept the smelly cunt alive while he pretended to help (see: getting in the way at every oppertunity) and pissed off everyone he met
>Basically became a colony of your former colony

OR

>Axis
>Hitler wanted Britain to leave him the fuck alone and said he had no intention of disturbing the empire
>The Eternal Frog De Gaulle disappears mysteriously
>Communism is basically eradicated so no pointless spending on America's wars
>If Hitler sticks to his word then the only way is up
>Don't have to import a trillion pakis and poos to rebuild the country that was bombed to pieces

Only thing I'm unsure of is the Japanese and whether or not they would still invade British territories in Asia

The Nazis liked Muzzies and the police state

>muh holohoax
fuck off to /pol/

>Hi Grandpa, I'm a jobless NEET who posts pictures of a cartoon frog on a Cambodian doll sharing website also I want to follow an ideology that completely undermines American liberal ideals, talk about a Christian society despite never attending church or even attempting to understand religious texts, and living with Mom until I'm 27

yeah right he would totally fight

After the defeat of Germany, humanity entered the most prosperous period PERIOD. Should Germany have won, I have no doubt that they would need to continue their idiotic and gigantic military spending, at the expense of the populace, that is, you and me, and knowing how incompetent the Nazis were, you surely would not be happy about all this waste of YOUR taxes.
>EU hates democracy
Wot, don't love the EU, but if you wanna criticize it, at least do it on one of it's faults. MEPs are in fact elected.
>surveillance is currently at an alltime high
Not at all, not in any nations. For the worst of surveillance, see East Germany and the STASI. What was it, every fourth citizen was some kind of informant? I'm sure the Nazis would have been no different, seeing as they had so much in common with the "communists".
>You get killed brutally after drawing Mohammed in cartoons
And in Germany you would be imprisoned and probably shot in the end for saying Germany MIGHT lose the war. Lovely society.

Just because the modern day doesn't fit exactly in exactly with your wishlist, doesn't mean we would have been better off with a literal globe-spanding North Korea.

USA was only "no colonialism XDDDD" to their allies, they've been doing it since the Monroe Doctrine.

>with the exception of Russia
Are you implying Russia is not run down with Muslims or decadency?

>jews ruin everything
Life has literally never been better, no matter what strength of nostalgia goggles you're weaing. What exactly have the Jews ruined?

>hi grandpa remember that western civilization thing you had going on? well you fucked everything up

>civilization is collapsing but I get to play 3DS so everything is okay

>slight immigration
>BOYS CIVILIZATION IS COLLAPSING HOLEE SHIT
Do you even know what the word "civilization" means? It will be here long after both of us have passed.
I understand you're in your reactionary teenager stage, but this is almost too naive.

I've never understood this. Seems like hating on gays is the only thing you need to be worshiped by /pol/

>civilization is collapsing
when? where?

>everybody except Hitler predicts Hitler will ruin everything
>Hitler ruins everything

>Do not understand why the Axis were shit tier

Senpai, Hitler destroyed the West. WW1 put it on it's deathbed, WW2 put it to sleep.
>European empires die
>Easter Europe fucked into oblivion
>Israel now exists because Hitler was a creep and no Jewish qts liked him
>Proxy wars all over Asia and Latin America
>Germany lost a metric fuckton of land, was split for decades

Literally the worst thing that has happened in the past 300 years

This applies to you too, you twat

The Nazis killed the West

>when? where?
Oh, so you're the Frog who sits in the pot of water and doesn't realize he's being boiled to death

>I've never understood this. Seems like hating on gays is the only thing you need to be worshiped by /pol/
The /pol/shits are falling for the Russian propaganda made for idiots.

>easter europe
I am American, please explain this

Better a frog than a kraut chimping out

>After the defeat of Germany, humanity entered the most prosperous period PERIOD. Should Germany have won, I have no doubt that they would need to continue their idiotic and gigantic military spending, at the expense of the populace, that is, you and me, and knowing how incompetent the Nazis were, you surely would not be happy about all this waste of YOUR taxes.

This is a blind assumption without any basis whatsoever.

>Wot, don't love the EU, but if you wanna criticize it, at least do it on one of it's faults. MEPs are in fact elected.

What are you talking about? The European constitution was approved through some political backdoor; The referendum in the Netherlands on the Ukraine agreement was ignored and discarded; many such votings are being neglected. Now the EU seeks to bar referendums. How is any of this democratic?

>ot at all, not in any nations. For the worst of surveillance, see East Germany and the STASI. What was it, every fourth citizen was some kind of informant? I'm sure the Nazis would have been no different, seeing as they had so much in common with the "communists".

Now you are blissfully ignorant. Have you ever heard of the NSA? Surveillance is crazy nowadays with the new technologies. They are making the Stasi look like children.
falkvinge.net/2013/07/05/stasi-vs-the-u-s-nsa-back-to-back-whos-worse-and-by-how-much/

>And in Germany you would be imprisoned and probably shot in the end for saying Germany MIGHT lose the war. Lovely society.

Just because the modern day doesn't fit exactly in exactly with your wishlist, doesn't mean we would have been better off with a literal globe-spanding North Korea.

The point was that in both societies some types of art and opinion are banned. Allied forces have no moral high ground here as well. After all, when all are banning information that may jeopardize the status quo, nobody can claim freedom of speech.

>Haha, memes

Russia:

>full of AIDS (literally)
>full of heroin abusers
>sky high divorce rates
>sky high abortion rates
>sky high single motherhood rates
>all the rich oligarchs controlling Russian media are Jewish or Muslim
>more muslims than Germany, Sweden and Britain combined (both in absolute numbers and in percentage)
>all of Russian finance and oil industry is owned by Jews
>Putin spending billions of federal rubles to build up mosques in Chechnia and Tatarstan while the average Christian Russian lives in his own shit
>somehow cucking up to both Israel and Iran at the same time
>murder rate higher than USA

B-BUT MUH RUSSIA WILL SAVE THE WHITE RACE FROM JEWISH DEGENERACY

>slavs
>white

you seem to have forgotten the UK democratically voted to leave the EU and will do so in a month or so. You clearly want the world to be much more dystopian so you can shill your pathetic theories

>/int/
>white

Like regular Europe but everyone uses chocolate eggs as currency

>This is a blind assumption without any basis whatsoever.
Please read Albert Speer's memoirs, he'll tell you how shit it was.
>NSA worse than the STASI
So you are trolling?
>The point was that in both societies some types of art and opinion are banned.
Ahh yes, because being killed by extremist muslims is the same as the government completely banning "negermusik" or the "judische physik". Yeah, today is MUCH worse, sure mate.
>Allied forces have no moral high ground here as well.
Well' I'd say the murder of the Jews and the other peoples the Nazis considered undesirable, but I'm inclined to think that you don't "believe" in that.

dude how could you forget the suicide rate

Isnt it funny that you mention Brexit? the UK is still in it at this moment even when the vote was in June. It remains to be seen if they will formally leave the EU. Many political games are still going to be played. Also, all the feared and predicted doom and gloom that was to cloud BRitain seems to be delayed just as well.

>yeah the nazis may have killed millions of their own denizens and started one of the largest wars in history b-b-b-but the allies did bad stuff too sometimes!

>democracy means things have to happen immediately
It takes time to undo the legal structures. May's government put a hard deadline by the end of March iirc

kys faggot you don't speak for us

>Please read Albert Speer's memoirs, he'll tell you how shit it was.

I have not read those. I would not put much faith in one individual whose future depends on his testimony though.

>So you are trolling?
No. Do you perhaps have an argument? There is no content to address now and this is detrimental to the debate. You just troll. See? I can do it too.

>Ahh yes, because being killed by extremist muslims is the same as the government completely banning "negermusik" or the "judische physik". Yeah, today is MUCH worse, sure mate.
Remove those blinkers from your eyes. Today everything thats policor is holy, sacred, and shall not be critized. There really is little difference between societies now and then in this regard.

>Well' I'd say the murder of the Jews and the other peoples the Nazis considered undesirable, but I'm inclined to think that you don't "believe" in that.
Are you suggesting that the Axis forces were unique in their disregard for huamn lives?

Britain and France decared war on Germany.

In other words I have to take for granted that a politicain will be truthful to his/her word.

Germany invaded Poland

And until that deadline is passed, you have no argument. You could say in December that it's a failing of democracy because trump was elected in November but hadn't taken office yet

Albert Speer wrote his book long after the war. I should have written memoirs. But still, how do you not know this stuff? You take such a high position but you aren't aware of Albert Speer or his book? Go read about him on Wikipedia, you'll find he was pretty fucking important.
>Little difference between now and then
You gotta go read some books dude. In Germany, there was no such thing as the free press, you could not criticise the government! That you would even dare compare this to the modern day shows exactly how much you aware of the past and the present.
>Nazi regard for human life
Never before had killings on such an industrial scale taken place, and by a civilized power, it was truly appalling, and they should have known better.

Probably not, they had no idea about death camps at the time. Some were already thinking that the soviets were the real enemy.

>Germany invaded Poland

So did the Russians, yet no declaration of war was sent to Russia. West Prussia was rightful German clay anyway.

>Albert Speer wrote his book long after the war. I should have written memoirs. But still, how do you not know this stuff? You take such a high position but you aren't aware of Albert Speer or his book? Go read about him on Wikipedia, you'll find he was pretty fucking important.

I do plan to read his book some day. Thanks for the reminder.

>You gotta go read some books dude. In Germany, there was no such thing as the free press, you could not criticise the government! That you would even dare compare this to the modern day shows exactly how much you aware of the past and the present.

Personally I do not think there has ever been any free press. Even today it makes little sense to investigate and spent resources to bring real news items when you can just sell fake stories at little cost.

>Never before had killings on such an industrial scale taken place, and by a civilized power, it was truly appalling, and they should have known better.

I find this doubtful. WW1 battles human killing at an industrial scale, then I can bring up Stalins purges, allied fire bombings, to name just a few.

Russia, Poland, and other Eastern European countries yes

Western Allies maybe no

Germany also performed the Anschluss, invaded the Sudetenland and remilitarized the Rhineland.
You have no leg to stand on

...

You would almost think that Germany was restoring an old empire after they were screwed royally in some treaty.

He was jerking it obviously

Every time you get a slightly bad treaty you need to commit a genocide, like france after the Franco Prussian war :^)

>invade land that never belonged to you
>"screwed royally"

If you lose a war you deserve no quarter unless the victors deem it so.