Ancient Mesopotamia

Hanging Gardens of Babylon edition

-were they even real? What about the Tower of Babel?

"In this palace he erected very high walks, supported by stone pillars; and by planting what was called a pensile paradise, and replenishing it with all sorts of trees, he rendered the prospect an exact resemblance of a mountainous country. This he did to gratify his queen, because she had been brought up in Media, and was fond of a mountainous situation."

Josephus (c.37–100 AD) quotes a description of the gardens by Berossus, a Babylonian priest of Marduk writing circa 290 BC. Berossus described the reign of Nebuchadnezzar II, and is the only source to credit that king with the construction of the Hanging Gardens.

"The park extended four plethra on each side, and since the approach to the garden sloped like a hillside and the several parts of the structure rose from one another tier on tier, the appearance of the whole resembled that of a theatre. When the ascending terraces had been built, there had been constructed beneath them galleries which carried the entire weight of the planted garden and rose little by little one above the other along the approach; and the uppermost gallery, which was fifty cubits high, bore the highest surface of the park, which was made level with the circuit wall of the battlements of the city. Furthermore, the walls, which had been constructed at great expense, were twenty-two feet thick, while the passageway between each two walls was ten feet wide. The roof above these beams had first a layer of reeds laid in great quantities of bitumen, over this two courses of baked brick bonded by cement, and as a third layer of covering of lead, to the end that the moisture from the soil might not penetrate beneath. On all this again earth had been piled to a depth sufficient for the roots of the largest trees; and the ground, when levelled off, was thickly planted with trees of every kind that, by their great size or other charm, could give pleasure to the beholder. And since the galleries, each projecting beyond another, all received the light, they contained many royal lodgings of every description; and there was one gallery which contained openings leading from the topmost surface and machines for supplying the gardens with water, the machines raising the water in great abundance from the river, although no one outside could see it being done. Now this park, as I have said, was a later construction."

For his description of the gardens, Diodorus Siculus (active c.60–30 BC) seems to have consulted the 4th century BC texts of both Cleitarchus and Ctesias of Cnidus.

"The Babylonians also have a citadel twenty stades in circumference. The foundations of its turrets are sunk thirty feet into the ground and the fortifications rise eighty feet above it at the highest point. On its summit are the hanging gardens, a wonder celebrated by the fables of the Greeks. They are as high as the top of the walls and owe their charm to the shade of many tall trees. The columns supporting the whole edifice are built of rock, and on top of them is a flat surface of squared stones strong enough to bear the deep layer of earth placed upon it and the water used for irrigating it. So stout are the trees the structure supports that their trunks are eight cubits thick and their height as much as fifty feet; they bear fruit as abundantly as if they were growing in their natural environment. And although time with its gradual decaying processes is as destructive to nature's works as to man's, even so this edifice survives undamaged, despite being subjected to the pressure of so many tree-roots and the strain of bearing the weight of such a huge forest. It has a substructure of walls twenty feet thick at eleven foot intervals, so that from a distance one has the impression of woods overhanging their native mountains. Tradition has it that it is the work of a Syrian king who ruled from Babylon. He built it out of love for his wife who missed the woods and forests in this flat country and persuaded her husband to imitate nature's beauty with a structure of this kind."

Quintus Curtius Rufus (active 1st century AD)

>were they even real?
off course, their descendants still live to this day and will recclaim their ancestral homelands from the dirty Arab and """Assyrian"""

"Babylon, too, lies in a plain; and the circuit of its wall is three hundred and eighty-five stadia. The thickness of its wall is thirty-two feet; the height thereof between the towers is fifty cubits; that of the towers is sixty cubits; and the passage on top of the wall is such that four-horse chariots can easily pass one another; and it is on this account that this and the hanging garden are called one of the Seven Wonders of the World. The garden is quadrangular in shape, and each side is four plethra in length. It consists of arched vaults, which are situated, one after another, on checkered, cube-like foundations. The checkered foundations, which are hollowed out, are covered so deep with earth that they admit of the largest of trees, having been constructed of baked brick and asphalt – the foundations themselves and the vaults and the arches. The ascent to the uppermost terrace-roofs is made by a stairway; and alongside these stairs there were screws, through which the water was continually conducted up into the garden from the Euphrates by those appointed for this purpose, for the river, a stadium in width, flows through the middle of the city; and the garden is on the bank of the river."

Strabo (c.64 BC – 21 AD) described the Hanging Gardens in a passage thought to be based on the lost account of Onesicritus from the 4th century BC

"The Hanging Gardens have plants above ground, with the roots of the trees above the tilled earth. Four stone columns are set beneath, so that the entire space through the carved pillars is beneath the ground. Palm trees lie in place on top of the pillars, alongside each other as beams, leaving very little space in between. This timber does not rot; when it is soaked and put under pressure it swells up and nourishes the growth from roots, since it incorporates into its own interstices what is planted with it from outside. Deep soil is piled on, and then garden trees of many varieties are planted, and all kind of flowering plants, everything that is most joyous and pleasurable to the onlooker. The place is cultivated and the growth of new shoots has to be pruned. When the uppermost surface is walked on, the earth on the roofing stays firm and undisturbed just like a place with deep soil. Aqueducts contain water running from higher places; partly they allow the flow to run straight downhill, and partly they force it up, running backwards, by means of a screw; through mechanical pressure they force it round and round the spirals of the machines. Being discharged into close-packed, large cisterns, altogether they irrigate the whole garden, inebriating the roots of the plants to their depths, and maintaining the wet arable land, so that it is just like an evergreen meadow, and the leaves of the trees, on the tender new growth, feed upon dew and have a wind-swept appearance. For the roots, suffering no thirst, sprout anew, benefiting from the moisture of the water that runs past, flowing at random, interweaving along the lower ground to the collecting point, and reliably protects the growing of trees that have become established. Exuberant and fit for a king is the ingenuity, and most of all, forced, because the cultivator's hard work is hanging over the heads of the spectators."

Philo of Byzantium (4th–5th century AD)

>Hanging Gardens

real

>Tower of Babel

not real

the semitic conquests were the worst things to have happened to the middle east. this includes arabs

There is some controversy as to whether the Hanging Gardens were an actual construction or a poetic creation, owing to the lack of documentation in contemporaneous Babylonian sources. There is also no mention of Nebuchadnezzar's wife Amyitis (or any other wives), although a political marriage to a Median or Persian would not have been unusual. Many records exist of Nebuchadnezzar's works, yet his long and complete inscriptions do not mention any garden.

Herodotus, who describes Babylon in his Histories, does not mention the Hanging Gardens.
To date, no archaeological evidence has been found at Babylon for the Hanging Gardens. It is possible that evidence exists beneath the Euphrates, which cannot be excavated safely at present. The river flowed east of its current position during the time of Nebuchadnezzar II, and little is known about the western portion of Babylon.

If the Greeks could build a gigantic colossus made of bronze, then I don't see what's so impossible about a tall building with gardens in it.

The Tower of Babel has been associated with known structures according to some modern scholars, notably the Etemenanki, a ziggurat dedicated to the Mesopotamian god Marduk by Nabopolassar, king of Babylonia (c. 610 BCE). The Great Ziggurat of Babylon was 91 metres (300 ft) in height. Alexander the Great ordered it demolished circa 331 BCE in preparation for a reconstruction that his death forestalled. A Sumerian story with some similar elements is told in Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta.

>Amyitis (or any other wives), although a political marriage to a Median or Persian would not have been unusual
except she was a Kurd, stop revisioning Biblical history and stop denying the Kurdish people of their heirtage

>ziggurat

But those are not towers, are they?

OK sure, Kurds wuz kangz n shiet

>But those are not towers, are they?

maybe not by definition, but in the vast flat expanse of Mesopotamia, a 90 meter ziggurat would tower over the landscape.

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kinda looks like a tower desu senpai

You know the trope in movies and books when people romanticize some mythical hero and claim he looks like a 2 meter tall Greek statue and when he appears he's actually an ugly manlet? The same thing about the tower of Babylon, the Bible describes it as a majestic tower reaching up to the skies but in reality it was probably just some shitty ziggurat which nevertheless would've left an impression on some Bronze Age camel fuckers.

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shit thread shit game #notmypresident

Personally I don't believe it was the Etemenanki.

It would've been mentioned if it was located in the city.

Enmerkar and the Land of Aratta. Sumerian Version.

"... whole world, the people as one, to Enlil in one tongue gave voice. Then did the contender - the En (lord)
The contender - the master
The contender - the king
The contender - the judge
The contender - the master
The contender - the kings
Enki, en of hegal,
The one with the unfailing words,
En of cunning, the shrewd one of the land,
Sage of the gods, gifted in thinking,
The en of Eridu,
Change the speech of their mouths,
He having set up contention in it,
In the human speech that had been one,"

Enmerkar is the Sumerian version of Nimrod. Enmer - Lord of Knowing and kar is used as a suffix for - hunter.
Consonantly it is written as N-M-R. Hebrew consonants for Nimrod are N-M-R-D.

Enmerkar built a massive Ziggurat in Eridu, called Nun.Ki or mighty place, some 1000 years before the Babylonian Etemenanki. Excavation suggests that it was abandoned halfway through rather abruptly. Moreover, Eridu, (while technically within the kingdom of Babylon) was so far down south and so forgotten, that by the time of Marduk's Babylon, it was a mythical city in the memory of people. It is a perfect candidate for the Tower of Babel.

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50,000 people used to live here. Now it's a ghost town....

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It seems only the Lebanese, Kurds and Iranians are capable of a secularist/atheist attitude and all the other Semitic/Berber trash remains indomitable superstitious and fanatical.

Who was the worst Assyrian king and why is it Esarhaddon?

i want to believe lol

can you cite that text? legit curious

Wouldn't planting trees on raised levels lead to the structures own doom? You would have to transport a lot of dirt up there and wouldn't the roots eventually destabilize parts of the structure after 10, 20, 30, 40 years?

URUK

All bullshit
Non-whites invent themselves an history in a desperate attempt to compet with the West

>>Tower of Babel
>not real
It was supposed to be a really big Ziggurat.

>compet

maybe the bitumen kept the roots at bay

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The solipsism of this board is real.

>Furthermore, the walls, which had been constructed at great expense, were twenty-two feet thick, while the passageway between each two walls was ten feet wide.
It's really hard to imagine that such a structure could be built with the technologies available to them. Imagined, sure, but built? It truly boggles my noggin.
The sheer difficulty of the task and technology aside, the wall described sounds like it would require direction by an individual with decades of related developmental experience, i.e. Donald Trump.

Is it really though

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