Why has the nordic countries population always been so low? It has a cold climate...

Why has the nordic countries population always been so low? It has a cold climate, but the european part of Russia is just as cold and has a Huge population

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>but the european part of Russia is just as cold and has a Huge population
eoro part of russia is actually much much colder, and has a larger population because the lands were better for agriculture, also population isn't that much larger

norhtern europe soil is crap compared to theirs

Nordics didnt have that much good farmable land. I think they figured out how to make swamps farmable around the 1700s or 1800s.

You mean the Russia that is mostly inhabited further south than even Denmark is? The only large cities in Russian north are all port cities (St.Petersburg, Arkangelsk and Murmansk).

Their lack of gulf stream and continental climate makes even south russia much colder than denmark though

Nordics, much like ancient elves, have a much longer gestation period requiring the reinsemenation of fertile Nordic women over the course of a year. Thusly, this leads to lower population rates.

In the winters, that is.

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norway is all mountains to start with

>Oh boy, lets go settle a place where i can die of both heat stroke and hypotermia

Well why not? Nothing's going to grow in the winter and you'll die just as well in -30C as in -50. At least plants like it more in the South, so agriculture is more viable.

>russia
>huge population
wut?

It's not even 150 million.

From a scandinavian perspective it sure is
Here, hope you have a fine puke

The Moscow Oblast alone has three times the population of Finland.

Norrland is rightful Finnish clay.

the only really arable land was denmark since forever

Fuck off, we earned all that clay

>Earned
>Swedish king gave people tax benefits etc. if they colonised Norrland
>Mostly Finns moved there, built up the wilderness into something habitable
>Some later Swedish cunt stops the Finnish language being taught and used publicly in Norrbotten and forcibly assimilates the people
>Even today many Norrlanders are more like Finns than Swedes proper from the capital region

Source?

Sorry, I'm not going to go dig too deep.-

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meänmaa

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Finns
>In the 1600s, there were plans to set up a new region Järle län that would have contained most of the skogsfinnar. It should be noted that in Sweden at this time, all legislation and official journals were also published in Finnish. Bank-notes were issued in Swedish and Finnish etc. After 1809, and the loss of the eastern part of Sweden (Finland) to Russia, the Swedish church planned a Finnish-speaking bishopric with Filipstad as seat. However, after the mid-1800s cultural imperialism and nationalism lead to new policies of assimilation and Swedification of the Finnish-speaking population. These efforts peaked from the end of the 1800s and until the 1950s

its culturally swedish now however, you aint getting it back

>its culturally swedish now
Not really. It's a bastard mix of Finnish glory and Swedish filth.
>you aint getting it back
The Swedish army has more generals than artillery. Prepare, Sven.
youtube.com/watch?v=qqnvj7w8Nis

very shitty farmable soil, cold and norway is just one big mountainrange

>finland
>ever taking finnmark
lol get shit on pekka

We're not taking it alone.

As you can see from the other finn in this thread, the people in this country are extremely autistic, so we don't reproduce much.

In addition to that, the land/climate is shit-tier for growing anything but potatoes and it's cold and dark so people keep killing themselves.

If you look at population density maps you'll notice most of the people live south of nordic latitudes, where the climate and soil are a bit more favourable. Also, Russia has plenty of large cities.

That's because it's a huge capital city of the largest country in the world with plenty of people constantly migrating there

>from the other finn in this thread, the people in this country are extremely autistic,
>"if I repeat /int/ memes enough, that will make them true"
Fuck right off my little Finn.

Russia is much colder. Scandinavia is pretty nice climatewise and Denmark basically occupies a geographical gift from the gods.

The OP asks an interesting, if somewhat loaded question. First of all, large chunks of "the nordics" in general are above the arctic circle. Also, although it is true that Russia has a large population, it is a /sparsely/ populated country. So let's run some numbers, and actually compare the /density/ of these two entities: the nordic countries as-a-group, and Russia proper, today.

Let's take the easy object first: Russia. Per wikipedia, Russia's population is 143,975,923 people, while its area is 17,098,242 km^2. As I just said, despite having a large population, Russia's land area is /just so fuckhueg/ that it is skewed toward a very low density, taken in-toto - The above rounds off to about 8 people per km^2. Notice that at present, I am considering /all Russia/, not just the European part, to the OP's point.

cont.

Let's now collate the /proper/ populations and areas of the five nordic countries, to assign a density to the "union" (pardon the mathematical/international pun) of these five countries. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Iceland respectively have populations of 5,252,166 ... 10,019,870 ... 5,489,057 ... 5,748,769 and 332,529 ... while each country proper respectively also has an area of 323,782 ... 450,295 ... 338,424 ... 43,098 and 102,775 km^2. Collating these two chunks of data gives a population of 26,842,391 over an area of 1,258,374 km^2, resulting in a rounded density of 21 people per km^2 in this case. Obviously, this is more than double the density of Russia in the latter's entirety (which by itself seems to put the lie to the OP), however the detractor can reasonably object that this exactly because all of Siberia was included, while Nordic meme-wastelands were not included in the above. So let's now re-run the above, adding in Greenland and Svalbard, to give a more honest meme-wasteland comparison. I leave out the Faroes ( both small area and small population) and any other meme-territories for now (Antarctic Claims, Bouvet Island) as noise. Greenland: 55,984 souls, 2,166,000 km^2. Svalbard: 2,655 souls, 61,399 km^2. Subtotals: 58,639 people, 2,227,399 km^2. Add subtotals into the above model and re-calculate: Five Nordics (plus Greenland & Svalbard): POPULATION: 26,901,030 people, AREA: 3,485,773 km^2, ROUNDED DENSITY: 8 people per km^2, EXACTLY the same density as all-Russia, once pertinent (meme-yet permanently populated) places like Siberia and Greenland are included.

The final step will be to take a pertinent chunk of Western Russia (to the OP's point) and compare it directly to the above "five-nordics-only" number.

cont.

The best way to parse western Russia for our "back of an envelope" purposes would seem to be to take the five so-called "federal districts" (planing entities) at left in pic related. This selection has the added advantage of uncontroversially being "western/European Russia" in that it is the part west of the Urals, more-or-less.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_districts_of_Russia#List_of_federal_districts

HMM, THAT PART HAS A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN IT, AND LOOKS TO ONLY BE ABOUT A THIRD/QUARTER AS BIG AS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY! DO YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING WITH THIS? I BET YOU DO!

You run the numbers, and this chunk adds up to:

PEOPLE: 107,560,700

AREA: 3,972,400 km^2

ROUNDED DENSITY: 27 people per km^2

This is a /bit/ more than the above Nordic-only number, but not much! ONCE AGAIN, WHEN COMPARING THE RELEVANT ENTITIES, WE GET ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME THING! In terms of density, European Russia is to the nordic countries proper, as All Russia (plus Siberia, meme-wastelands etc) is to Nordics + Greenland and Friends (meme wastelands)!!!

The POINT BEING, that the OP should have actually investigated density as the relevant metric for what he was trying to get at, and that upon a little investigation, his loaded question is bogus! Of course a much smaller, quasi-habitable land area will have a much lower population than another much larger, also quasi-habitable land area! But in point of fact, "relevant" Russia is about as dense today as the Nordics are! And when you add in the comparable, yet permanently populated Wastes, /the COMPARISON HOLDS GOOD!/

Now, you can dismiss all of this as weaponized autism (and you'd have a point), but the point is that the OP could have answered his own question if he'd just been willing to actually run a few numbers.

Why does your pic include Faroe Islands but not Åland ?

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Soviets breadbasket is rightful Russian clay.

>and norway is just one big mountainrange
That only applies to the east coast, which is LITERALLY moutains sticking up from the ocean, until you get Inland, and it keeps on happening

That still raises the question of why Tronderlag og Ostlandet wasn't populated more.
Or Sweden, which is far more farmable.
I honestly blame late industrialization, and Danish fiefism leadings to underdevelopment of the Inland, at the least for Norway.
Sweden has no excuse.

And thats also ignoring that the NorwegianSwedish population is at 18 millions, if you include Diaspora. People simply packed up and left for America during the late 1800s and far into the 1900s, simply because expanding farmland into dense artic forests is a horror story if you don't have to.
There is a good chance the population would have reached 22-25 millions, IF Industrialization was done in the 1800s, instead of mostly happening before and after world war 1.


That still leaves us with Finland, the Northen parts of Norway, and Russia.
Here is the thing: Once you get close enough to the polar circle, nobody wants to live there in pre modern times. Its too fucking dark during the 3 months of winter thats dark, and summer is literally the worst with the Sun as a Evil Eternal Eye gazing across the lands.
The sea isn't particularly travel able past the Gulf Stream, meaning Northern Russia is basically completely isolated except for a few summer months.
Nevermind the fact all those areas industrialized super late.
Northeren Norway was basically "built" for the sake of NATO, and before that most of its infastructure was German made for the sake of invading Russia during WW2.

Thank you.

finland does not belong on that image

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this needs updating. It lacks crescent moons.

I hate that this is now associated purely with islam. the west has crescent moons as well, it isnt just a muslim thing.

The most based Islamic flags are ones with a solid color and writing