How useful would had been massive air raids involving chemical weapons?
For example if Tokyio firebombings had been done with mustard gas
In my opinion it would had been a 99% killing rate in a single night
Maybe this thread could cut forever the "what if usa hadnt had nukes" meme
>In my opinion it would had been a 99% killing rate in a single night
What level of autism do you have?
In WWI chemical weapons were dispersed alongside wide flat countryside against soldiers using gas masks
Now think about dispersing these gases from above against a high density urban city without any type of protection
Nasty, nasty, nasty shit. But unlike nyooks they are only useful against unprepared civilian population.
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>In WWI chemical weapons were dispersed alongside wide flat countryside against soldiers using gas masks
And there's a reason they didn't use them in World War II
You see, non autistic people don't want to make 2 million people choke to death over 30 minutes.
You know the Japs had gas masks right?
>How useful would had been massive air raids involving chemical weapons?
And then Japan and Germany would have counterattacked with their own biological and chemical weapons and you would have a massive clusterfuck.
vx and nervous gases didnt exist in WWII (only in germany stockpiles)
There was a basically unspoken rule not to use chemical weapons. Most military men, from all sides, believed their effectiveness was pretty limited to begin with.
Mustard gas kills people, but does nothing to infrastructure. You can win a battle with it, but not war, unless you kill nearly every single last person in a sizable nation, which would require more mustard gas than the world has ever produced, many times over. Fire bombing, on the other hand, kills people and infrastructure, and fire, unlike gas, perpetuates itself, particularly in a mostly wooden city.
It also isn't as effective as yer thinking, lots of people survive gas attacks. It's really not useful for eliminating production centers, so much as clearing individual battlefields of infantry and generating fear.
>You see, non autistic people don't want to make 2 million people choke to death over 30 minutes.
ehh.. Did you forgot against whom was WW2 waged? The problem here was that the weapons were not efficient enough for tactical use and had Germans used them strategically, well judge for yourself.
And dioxine was accidently used in 'Nam. People there are still suffering from it.
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The kill rate for mustard gas is closer to 20% and only for those directly exposed. Even sarin gas, dropped in a city, has little effect - and we have historical examples of that. Scares the shit out of everyone, but that's about it.
Explosive bombs, on the other hand, start fires, that spread on their own. Not only having a much better kill ratio at the point of impact, but destroying builds, factories, warehouses, supplies, and spreading fires throughout which go on to do more of the same.
Now, if your goal is to take a city intact, a whole lotta gas bombs might be a viable strategy, but if your goal is to cripple the enemy's ability to make war, then you wanna use more traditional bombs.
>Did you forgot against whom was WW2 waged
Lets put up the factions will we
Germans who had an army that were lead by non insane people who refused to use gas in all but one instance in fear of retaliation.
British who had an army that were lead by non insane people who refused to use gas in fear of retaliation despite Churchill urging them to.
Japanese who had an army that were lead by insane people who refused to use gas on anyone with their own stockpiles in fear of retaliation.
Italy, it's fucking Italy they couldn't win a war if you gave them nukes and told them to invade the north pole. Also they only gassed people who didn't have their own stockpile in fear of retaliation.
Soviet union, like they could produce anything more advanced than methane at that point
>British who had an army that were lead by non insane people who refused to use gas in fear of retaliation despite Churchill urging them to.
The anthrax bombs weren't much of a problem to them though. Thank god the war was over before they were ready.
Well, that, and if the city is expecting gas bombs, they are much easier to protect from than explosives.
The Japanese did use gas weapons a couple of times in China.
That's what I said, they used them on people who couldn't retaliate in kind.
>Germans who had an army that were lead by non insane people who refused to use gas in all but one instance in fear of retaliation.
I was refering to the gas chambers, but whatever. Point is that tactical use was not very viable (as shown in Kerch) and strategic use be like pissing on the hornets nest.
>Soviet union, like they could produce anything more advanced than methane at that point
You underestimate Russian foolhardiness. Had Stalin said use chemical weapons, they would made the front uninhabitable for decades.
>Had Stalin said use chemical weapons
They would have responded
>We don't have any chemical weapons
You know they are not exactely hard to produce?
doesn't change fact, they did not have them, couldn't make them and if they could, they couldn't store them.
You seem rather conscious about that, it would be a shame if a post directly above yours had proven you wrong...
NTG, but the link makes it sound as though they didn't have any real stockpiles during WWII, and good deal of the stockpiles they had afterwards, were actually from Germany.
Any stockpiles they did have were likely destroyed during the initial German advance, that really forced Stalin to move and rebuild all his military production at the edge of Siberia. (Which was a rather staggering feet). Since he wanted to retake his country, using any gasses with long standing after effects or defoliage wouldn't have been a wise move. Once he was on the offensive, there would have been no need and he would have had to start thinking about the consequences to his position after the war - there being a lot of evidence that he was planning for that rather thoroughly.
Given the desperation and the cut-and-burn strategy, I am a bit surprised that no gas attacks were used by the Russians during that war, but it seems it maybe it was a combination of minimal availability and cooler heads prevailing. (Inasmuch as you can call Stalin a "cool head".)
less effective
with the bonus of maybe not destroying what you want to conquer.
chemical weapons are not strategic weapons. they only really work on the small scale to kill people otherwise protected from bullets or explosions.
even a biological weapon attack would only strain medical care systems.
Would have been better of sticking with the "Bat Bomb" concept they had been legit working on. Less international heat later on, no nuke.
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Jesus fuck our grampa's were crazy mother fuckers.
probably overall less effective than fire and completely useless against infrastructure
They were ready in 1942...
I was under the impression that weaponized Gas isn't a very effective strategic tool which is why, along with wanting to avoid the hassle of a retaliatory use of gas, all sides on WW2 never resorted to deploying it even in their most dire straits. Compared to say...biological weapons who held much more strategic promise and were fully contemplated and almost deployed by at least the British & Japanese.
Sarin gas would fuck millions six ways to Sunday in a largely populated city
No
Why not?
Cuz it's been done, twice, and it didn't. Killed less than a dozen people.
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