Which battles were the most important battles in history?

>eastern front
'no'

No I mean the second battle of the Marne, the one that broke the German spring offensive and launched the counter-offensive that won the war.

Although the first one was important too but I didn't want to put more than one for the same war.

What do you mean by "no"?

Pretty good list desu.

Waterloo?

Brits loose Waterloo and Napoleon gets crushed 4 weeks later by a combined Russian-Austrian army.

Pretty much this.

It also introduced tank warfare.

Battle of the Marne is up there.

Too Eurocentric.

Koan, Yehulingand, and Mukden are much more worthy of a spot than shit like Poitiers.

Literally who?

Not trying to be a dick but there's a reason nobody ever heard of the ones you posted. Because what happened in East Asia barely affected anything outside of East Asia in any major way. We're also not going to start including whatever battles happened between Mayans and Aztecs, because they changed nothing to the way the world is today.

It's a Western world, time to make your peace with it.

im guessing someone has just read a bit of Creasy or Hanson?

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how did Hastings affect anything outside of Europe in a major way?

You are wrong on so many levels.
For example, if the aztecs had never been the hegemon of mesoamerica, somebody else would, and they would have behaved very different towards the spanish, maybe postponing the conquest of Mexico some decades. Spain would have been changed by that, and then all of Europe.

>1813: Leipzig
supposedly it was the largest battle to point, must have been crazy

What happened at Rocroi? I recognize all but that one, during the thirty years war? otherwise i got nothing.

I thought the name for Napoleon's 1813 defeat was The Battle of Nations.

>not a single mention of lepanto

Son i am disappoint

Battle of Warsaw
Battle of Berlin
The Alamo
Saratoga

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gallabat

>mahdi is the prophesied leader of all islam
>invades ethiopia
>ethiopian emperor fights to death
>proto-isis casualties so severe they never actually recover

>The Alamo

lulz. The USA would have annexed Texas anyway during the wars with Mexico.

>Excerpt: ... the ancient Persian empire, which once subjugated all the nations of the earth, was defeated when Alexander had won his victory at Arbela.

>Mahdi's direct descendant winds up playing the best doctor of Star Trek
I'd say it was the best outcome.

Battle of Zama

Way too eurocentric in this thread.

And no,
>b-but I don't know about that battle!
isn't an argument

>What happened at Rocroi?
Spanish uncontested superiority in Europe becomes French uncontested superiority until 1815.

It made England what it is. Without Hastings, no Britain.

Spain would have just steamrolled whatever was there.

>Europe becomes French uncontested superiority until 1815.
hmmmm

When you need a coalition of four great powers to almost win (and eventually lose it all in one battle), it means you're facing the uncontestably superior power
Superior means superior to any other powers, not necessqarily to all other powers combined (although it was the case there given what happened at Denain)

He is right, brits always were the shittiest infantry in Europe, even more in the XVI and XVII

But it was contested wasnt it?
Last time I looked France lost the 7 years war despite its "superiority"

True, but you can't deny that Malborough was a genius commander
Then again, the troops he commanded were mostly Germans and Dutch, had they been British, even his genius couldnt have granted him victory

Yeah, the 7 Years War is the one reason I'd disagree with "uncontested superiority until 1815"

Not because of the shitshow Brits pulled in America, the fact the French resisted for a whole decade there despite being outnumbered 4 to 1 proves how superior to Brits they were.
But in Europe, France couldnt do shit against lone Prussia despite being allied with Austria and Russia

So although it's true that most wars between Rocroi and 1815 saw the French dominate in Europe, the 7YW was an exception to that, as Prussia was clearly the superior country in that conflict (while France fared quite badly on the European theater)

Tours wasn't "just a raid", that was an invention of Arab Historians to justify the fact that Martel BTFO'd them and consigned them to below the Pyrenees.

Tours really was an incredibly important battle, as was the Second Siege of Constantinople.

But the Seven Years War went status quo ante bellum in Europe. Prussia didn't win shit.

Can you name some non-european battles?

He's using hyperbolic language in the same way ancient historians did, to make it more entertaining.

Modern historians are boring faggots who can't into prose and consequently write TERRIBLY.

The Third Battle of M'boko's Shaft between the Empire of Mali and the Oggobooga Villages Confederation

Stalingrad

>Ooga booga confederation

>Alesia

My nigger!

>Spain would have just steamrolled whatever was there.
Had the Aztecs not been "honor"fags obsessed with not killing the enemy but capturing it alive, things would have been quite different. Cortes himself was captured twice but rescued in retaliations at the expense of many lives.
Besides, the battle of Otumba was literally the first time the Aztecs faced the Spanish and their cavalry.

>The wheel of fortune now suddenly turned against Cortes, and the joyous feelings of victory were changed into bitter mourning; for while he was eager in pursuit of the enemy, with every appearance of victory, it so happened that his officers never thought to fill up the large opening which they had crossed. The Mexicans had taken care to lessen the width of the causeway, which in some places was covered with water, and at others with a great depth of mud and mire. When the Mexicans saw that Cortes had passed the fatal opening without filling it up, their object was gained. An immense body of troops, with numbers of canoes, which lay concealed for this purpose in places where the brigantines could not get at them, now suddenly rushed forth from their hiding places, and fell upon this ill-fated division with incredible fierceness, accompanied by the most fearful yells. It was impossible for the men to make any stand against this overwhelming power, and nothing now remained for our men but to close their ranks firmly, and commence a retreat. But the enemy kept rushing on in such crowds, that our men, just as they had retreated as far back as the dangerous opening, gave up all further resistance, and fled precipitately. Now the awful consequences of the neglect to fill up the opening in the causeway began to show themselves. In front of the narrow path, which the canoes had now broken down, the Mexicans wounded Cortes in the leg, took sixty Spaniards prisoners, and killed six horses.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter CLII

>Cortes himself was captured twice but rescued in retaliations at the expense of many lives.
And rescued before being captured many other times.

~20 A7V's vs ~1000 Mark V's/FT-17's
"tank warfare"

Some of the last truly entertaining history documentaries were Michael Wood's back in the 80s. Not coincidentally he made them before he was a professor.

Very disappoint.
Also kebab cannot into cannon #1571BestYearOfMyPopeLife

Proto-Isis? Explain pls

this tbqh

No it fucking wasn't. Before Tours you had years of fighting in Aquataine, and after Tours you had years of fighting in Aquataine. It changed literally nothing.

The Germans couldn't have won against the USSR AND Britain

Assured Hannibal's defeat and the evental Roman victory.

Replace Tours with the Second Siege of Constantinople, and replace the 1453 Siege with Kosovo Field imo.

Different names for the same battle.

back in the days when my Hungary wasn't a big joke

someone post the isonzo

They proclaimed a caliphate, defeated the Egyptians, Turks, and British, invaded neighboring countries, and generally threatened the world.

The French army would undergo significant reforms after this war.

honestly if you are going to include one from the 30 years war then breitenfield makes more sense.

but the french 'won' the sanish succession only in the sense that once the austrian claimants elder brother died and he became the heir to austria as well as spain the british decided that victory on those terms was not something they desired, they forced fairly strong territorial concessions out of france and spain and accomplished the objective of preventing a french and spanish union.

you mean best.

often with poor generals but from blenheim to minden and fortenoy to waterloo and beyond it was acknowledged that british infantry oon a battalion basis would stand with the best

>Waterloo
>Not Trafalgar

>. Because what happened in East Asia barely affected anything outside of East Asia in any major way.

What happened in China (which is bigger than all of Europe in both population and area) affected all of Asia, meanwhile Poitiers didn't have jack shit of an effect outside of England/France. On Yehulingand, that battle is also what basically confirmed that there WOULD be a Mongol Empire.

It barely affected France. Honestly, the most important part of Tours is how it paved the way for the Carolingian dynasty, not anything to do with fighting the Arabs.

>Not trying to be a dick but there's a reason nobody ever heard of the ones you posted

It depends on where you live. If you asked the average Japanese person or average Japanese amateur Veeky Forums-tier buff about Mukden or Tsushima, he'll know what you're talking about. Probably most Russians would as well. I guarantee you he'll have no idea what Bouvines or Rocroi are.

The battle of Poitiers meant France fell into a hundred years of civil war and lost its position as cultural and political hegemon. As a result the centre of the West split and shifted away from France and to Italy and Germany, leading to the Renaissance and the Reformation. This affected the entire world including Asia. Meanwhile whatever happened in China didn't affect anything outside China.

This isn't a democracy. The cold hard truth is that a billion Chinese had less of an impact on world history than 50 million Europeans.

Battle of Vienna.

Battle of Midway

Okay, how about Tsushima or Dien Bien Phu?

Yeah, except Europe ended up dominating the entire world, so battles that shaped it hold more importance than the 87th sino-japanese murder-cannibal-rape of Tongping

To be fair if you put Rocroi then put Pavia or St Quentin too

i mean the eastern front was irrelevant

>Spain would have just steamrolled whatever was there

They didnt "steamroll" anything. The final battle of the aztecs involved 1000 spaniards and 100,000 thousand indian allies who hated the aztecs. This is historical fact not revisionism or wewuzism.

If the hegemon empire had behaved differently towards friend and foe, things would have changed a lot. Anyway, just so you know, Spain didnt invade the aztecs. The entire project was organized by Cortes and the government even tried to stop him many times.

No, it was not. Hundreds of thousands of troops were sent by AH and Germany to the eastern front instead of being sent to the west. 1/6 of the Austrian army was lost because of Brusilov's offensive. Maybe it was not as important as the western front but it was still really important.

>Prussia didn't win shit

Prussia secured its place as one of the Great Powers in Europe, even though it had relatively little land. Additionally, the status quo ante bellum, which was a huge deal because it meant Prussia had undisputed ownership of Silesia. This ultimately paved the way for greater and greater Prussian influence in Germany, culminating in the unification of Germany in the 1870s.

Tours

Obviously Veeky Forums faggots are totally clueless.This single battle had a bigger impact on the world that we are living today than 90% of the memes posted in this thread

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Since people are asking for less eurocentric answers:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanghai

Honestly surprised it has taken THIS long until someone posted a battle from the Reconquista.