The government contract is supposedly trading freedoms for security. Yet welfare doesn't aid in my security

The government contract is supposedly trading freedoms for security. Yet welfare doesn't aid in my security.

Historically speaking, have populations accepted a welfare state before the post-WW1 era?

fuck off neckbeard

Welfare aids in your security because (in theory) it's supposed to placate those who are in a position to suffer from hunger.

Historically the starving masses haven't really effected the middle class or rich.

>Yet welfare doesn't aid in my security.

Huh? That's the whole point of it. That you can still survive if you become impoverished.

I don't collect welfare. How does me paying others welfare aid in my security?

>I don't collect welfare

Yeah and you're not currently being beaten by thugs, either, but the police are still around to help if you are.

I don't get it. Before the wellfare state in America the Middle, working and Rich didn't face gangs of hungry thugs. Why would that happen without welfare?

Yes it does, it prevents poor people from rebelling and dragging the rich from their mansions and killing the. When people are fat and happy they don't cause problems. Also ancient Rome gave free bread and circuses to their citizens even if they were poor.

Who says it would? Welfare provides security from the effects of poverty. Police provide security from violence. It's an analogy, not cause and effect.

It did in Revolutionary France.

Most people used to live and work on farms. Cities used to have extensive soup kitchens and charities run by churches. Some degree of a welfare state is as old as civilization itself.

Because it happened in one place and time during highly specific circumstances hardly makes it relevant.

Those weren't run by the state. I'm not talking about welfare, just the welfare state.

>How does me paying others welfare aid in my security?

Once you run out of dadymoney you'll know.

heh, assume that i'm not in a small apartment with a sector job making my own wage.

Although isn't the welfare state "dadymoney" in an impersonal sense?

Whelp, you've been given two good, direct answers to your question.
1) Security from poverty.
2) Security from social unrest.

Now, let's see if you continue to shitpost.

The old " post a /pol/ pic but pretend I have a real question" thread. Go fuck yourself.

>1) Security from poverty.
>2) Security from social unrest.
How does welfare provide this? I have a higher chance of being attacked by some welfare using Black now than 100 years ago before the welfare state was a thing.

Coz when others get really hungry and desperate suddenly you and your stuff aren't so safe anymore

As history has not proven this, the only way to know for sure is to stop welfare and see if racing gangs of starving people attack the middle class.

I don't start fires. Why do I pay for firefighters?

>heh, assume that i'm not in a small apartment with a sector job making my own wage.
Assuming you are OP, your post didn't sounded exactely mature.

>Although isn't the welfare state "dadymoney" in an impersonal sense?
Only to an American mind. For normal people it's about security. You throw some money into common pot and if something happens (natural catastrophe, injury, unemployment, children, sudden death of person you are dependant on) you take something from it.

Yes history has proven it to be so. Bismack had welfare to quell the social democrats. Theodore Roosevelt fixed the Glided Age nonsense to shut people like Sinclair. Same with Wilson to Debs. FDR to socialists. Every step of the way, welfare is done to quell the desperate masses, coz the eiltes have learned their lesson from the French Revolution

Would you call the unwashed masses of welfare recipients to be "social democrats?" The context is highly different.

The church was part of the state then you imbecile.

This.

Not in America.

No? Social democracy loses its teeth and allure to the 'unwashed masses' when you give them decent welfare. You basically given them just enough so they don't complain, organize or agitate anymore.

Not to say social democracy doesn't have welfare, but they usually at least try to empower the masses instead of pacifying them

Durr merica! Is that your argument? He was talking about in general, from the middle ages to relatively recent the Church had political power.

>How does welfare provide this?

In the very obvious ways already mentioned?

>I have a higher chance of being attacked

Actually violence is at historic lows.

>by some welfare using Black

Actually most welfare recipients are rural white people.

The whole thread was clearly americentric.

>Actually violence is at historic lows.
But not Black on White crime

Churches operated as a form of local government and collected tithe to perform local charities, smart guy.

The welfare state pays the policemen protecting you.

Remove that, and see how long you survive before being mugged by the starving masses.