How exactly did Russia change from a pathetic country which loses against Japan and can't even defend their own ports...

What a waste of resources. Why on earth does Russia need a strong navy? Their main concern was always Germany.

>It actually went from a powerful, respected and innovative nation to that filth
Russian empire was by no means more innovative or powerful than the USSR and the "respected" or "filth" parts are entirely subjective since you and the first world in general were fed with propaganda against SSSR.

Yup, Russian Imperial navy performed so great during the war with Japanese.

Russia would've industrialized just as quickly if it stayed a monarchy, it was well on pace to do so.

>Although it's hard to deny that being first in space is more important than being first on the moon.

Not with a good propaganda machine it isn't.

You STILL get Amerilards beating their chest about landing on the moon.

>always Germany
If by "always" you mean only after 1878.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_on_the_Ice

They used to have wars and proxy wars with england as well, not to mention that for the entirety of the 1800s Germany was their friend and the war between them only really started because of warmongering officers.

Germany was actually one of Russia's closest allies

yes it was a more innovative country, also i'm part of the second world you fucking idiot.

The Russian empire used to have dignity, freedom of speech, and an amazing culture boom. The USSR (or CCCP if you want to be specific) forced neighbours to hate each other, authors to write what the state wanted and music to be played accordingly.

if you think that's a good example of the navy's excellence i truly, from the bottom of my heart, feel sorry for you.

>being this retarded

I like how Americans and Westerners are praising globalism and acting like one big family only because they like Chinese food, but nobody gives a shit about the achievements of other nations.

WW2 especially. Most people don't even have the slightest idea what Russia went through just to survive physically. Only in our ignorant world are the most titanic, apocalyptic battles in history which happened so recently, also the most unknown.

>this retarded meme battle again
I honestly wish you get cancer and drop dead, it was an irrelevant skirmish that got bloated up in importance by Soviet historians. Russia and Germany are probably the most natural allies and have been so until the Alexander III's pro-French course and later the Anglo-Russian Entente.

Free human resources, strict government, and terror. Any political system would succeed using these patterns. But it took only 70 years to collapse

first post best post as always

>the Russian Empire was powerful, respected and innovative
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
>The Russian Empire was leading in naval technology and airplanes
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Air_Service#Maintenance_problems
>Russia had one of the leading navies in the world
m.warhistoryonline.com/history/1904-5-russo-japanese-war-japan-shatters-russias-navy-global-perceptions.html
>Russian Empire had freedom of speech
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okhrana

>The Russian navy was one of the best in the world
lmao
They lost to Japan and whenever we want a good laugh we just circulate around that greentext about how they struggled just sailing there, almost precipitating a war with britain in the process.

What do first world bourgeoisie college students have to do with the USSR? Soviets were tough as fuck, much tougher than most obese alt-right faggots

>yes it was a more innovative country
Please tell me how they shot people into kosmos, played with robots on moon or wielded world-destroying armaments. While Tsar might have overseen the greatest era of Russian culture, he certainly did not oversaw the greatest era of Russian science.

>The Russian empire used to have dignity, freedom of speech, and an amazing culture boom.
Dignity is subjective mentioning it will only make you look emotionally invested. Freedom of speech was never a thing cherished by Russian people. And that culture "boom" had a lot of to do with the fact that romanticism heavily complimented Russian culture. Ideology of communism on the other hand complimented modernist movemenst which also produced much quality (Blok, Eisenstein, Tatlin, Vertov etc.), but this period is much less known. Socialist realism and what followed was shit, that is true.

>forced neighbours to hate each other, authors to write what the state wanted and music to be played accordingly.
So did Russian empire.

>if you think that's a good example of the navy's excellence i truly, from the bottom of my heart, feel sorry for you.
If you can't tell irony this obvious, then I truly, from the bottom of my heart, feel sorry for you.

>i don't know any history before ww1 and learned everything i know from youtube

you tried so i'll help you out
>the Russian Empire was powerful, respected and innovative
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_brig_Mercury
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Çeşme
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Patras
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_Kaliakra
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kerch_Strait_(1790)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tendra
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athos
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dardanelles_(1807)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russian_Navy#18th_century
(cont)

>c-cucks

unrivalled russian literature, some of these suppressed by the commies
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksey_Konstantinovich_Tolstoy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Chekhov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gogol
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Dostoyevsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Pasternak
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Zamyatin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bulgakov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

>Ottoman empire
That's like bragging about beating up people on wheelchair.

haha le meme
have a (you)
>looks at photo
>doesn't even read comment
haha

>some of these suppressed by the commies
Cool, but why did you include Pushkin which was suppressed by Tsar?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn
Literally made popular to spite Soviets, I wouldn't put him amongst the greatest.

>Literally made popular to spite Soviets, I wouldn't put him amongst the greatest.
of course, he called them out on their shit what do you expect from a tyrannical regime

So you realise you can't defend the modern russian empire so use the golden age russian empire, despite your original post claiming the russian empire during ww1 was before than the ussr.

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>claiming the russian empire during ww1 was before than the ussr
never said during ww1 specifically you absolute mongoloid
the russian empire since Peter the Great

Second pbp

Lot of people called them out. That doesn't make you a nation's greatest artist all of sudden.

Comparism ad absurdum: Think of Pussy Riot

To clarify: I don't think of him as a bad writer, he just doesn't deserve to be mentioned, if e.g. Turgenev is not.

This

this is such a meme battle, people actually think it proves the russians had a terrible navy? does anyone on Veeky Forums even read history?

>tfw first post becomes the thread's focus

i see i see, i only mentioned the authors i read books from not all of them of course

Their navy was garbage. Someone post that greentext of when the Baltic Fleet was going east.

Well redeem the Imperial navy, if you please. Show us, how they defeated the perfidious Anglo, reclaimed their eagles from Nippons or how did they've crushed Germans in WW1.

putting all the opinionated bullshit aside, russia wasn't a complete backwater before communism. they had a decent amount of complex railways and their military was pretty respected (if not due to strategic prowess then due to sheer size, but more bc of sheer size), but of course there were problems with the tsar's corruption and how he kinda maybe starved the better part of the population

communism on the other hand left the people's stomachs in no better position but brought about a way more efficient government and military. there were a lot more advances in science and technology too, but anything that didn't contribute to the state's hold on their power really wasn't worth anything more than propaganda and the common people never received the benefits of it. so communism wasn't an all around, general "success" for russia (i.e. the people, science, education, technology, etc), just a success for it's world power and repute

i love that image

mind if i save it?

>never said before ww1
>It actually went from a powerful, respected and innovative nation to that filth
This sentence implies it was powerful, well respected and innovative in 1916.

save it, it's all yours

You are both autists.

>Russian empire
>did something right

>usa
>libertarian
>more free than the english empire

Overrated post

FPBP

No, it's my private property you commie scum

>lend shit to russia
>russia gets it destroyed
>doesnt pay you back
>implying even human

And yet the Anglo couldn't do it.

How exactly did Russia change from a great country which could easily beat the Turks in battle and could have taken Constantinople if the eternal Anglo allowed it, and hold its own alone against Austria-Hungary, the German Empire and the Ottoman Empire, to that pathetic pretense of a "superpower" that let the Germans grab land all the way to the Volga and could only turn around thanks to massive U.S. Lend Lease help and wasting human lives, and that later couldn't even beat Pashtun tribesmen in a war?

Is communism really that shit?

/thread

>Mighty Russian empire forced Germans into signing B-L treaty
>Pathetic Soviet Union gets it shit handled to Berlin where they humiliated and forced to sexually please hundreds of thousands German women. Only to emerge as compulsive collector of large explosive phallic objects (likely to compensate for something).

At last, I truly see.

It wasn't the Russian Empire that signed Brest-Litovsky, it were the commies.

And if the commies took Russia to Berlin, the Tsar took them to Paris in 1815.

double dubs confirm this /btfo/

not to mention that no victory under the commies compares to the victories russians have won over their enemies from the 1700s up to the late 1800s
Suvorov's entire career to name a couple

>And if the commies took Russia to Berlin, the Tsar took them to Paris in 1815
Which didn't end up so well, did it? Not to mention they were not even allowed to keep part of the city

>it were the commies
It wasn't the commies who got their shit handled so hard by Germans, commies (Tukhachevski, Zhukov, Isserson, Trifiandilov etc.) actually made Russian army from Suvorov's Ivan-waves into the modern juggernaut we know.

They just accepted the peace so that Russian people won't suffer no more war and famine (inb4.. yes, I know, they brought even more of it at the end of the decade).

>BTFO cuks

>thinks i'm right wing
nice try fag

I was mocking the ad hom not the politics

The socialist economy helped the Soviet people, but not so much the nation.

What really mattered was industrialization. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union adopted a planned economy with the goal of rapid industrialization. His successive five-year-plans were enormously successful at transforming Europe's most backward empire into a mechanized powerhouse. However, this rapid industrialization came at a heavy price. The acquisition of grain to sell abroad led to starvation in Ukraine as well as political resentment at home and abroad. Severe punishments of those who impeded the industrialization process created an enormous class of prisoners who had to endure brutal conditions in eastern labor camps.

>the socialist economy helped the soviet people

Life expectancy improved and the population grew. There were clear benefits.

Commies better watch out as well

This is pretty categorically wrong. Russian Empire was extremely backwards in self-sufficiency, industry, etc.. It was a 16th century country in the 20th century.

USSR was brutal as fuck and ultimately stagnated but under it the USSR developed true self-sufficiency, a real military industry, far more powerful army, and made major leaps in technology worldwide.

That man in the back?

That's a very jewish man

>The Russian empire was leading in naval technology, had great airplanes as well

Just about all their naval technology was procured from France, same with their aircraft. Soviets actually developed a domestic military industry.

EVERYONE in Russia, besides some stuffy nosed nobility who were living 200 years prior, hated the monarchy. The revolution that overthrew the Tsar was massively popular, the problem came when the revolutionary groups fought among themselves and the Bolsheviks betrayed them.

Just look at this grinning jew

He looks euphoric

nah man he's the """"master race""""

>tfw fat disgusting """white nationalists""" even blame their hideousness on Jews

>hated the monarchy.
It might be the fact that they were basically German, that had something to do with it, as was almost everyone in the ruling class.

You can only get away with mistreating your people for so long, until they figure out that they don't even see you as human.

I totally understand why they rebelled. Imagine how a Russian must have felt, not being provided education or food by a clique which isn't even really Russian and then expects YOU to fight their fucking cousins in imperialistic wars, but you also see how well their cousins treat their own population.

wouldfightintheredarmy/10

It's sad because the 1904-1905 revolution (i.e. the revolution everyone forgets) the peasants/workers expressed genuine admiration for the Tsar. A lot of the rallies held up pictures of the Tsar and were led by orthodox clergy who said that the Tsars advisors were keeping the truth from him. Which is why they had to go to the Winter Palace and deliver a list of their problems to the Tsar himself. This way, those sneaky advisors couldn't stop them.

When they got to the palace, the guards opened fire on them and killed thousands. Despite not ordering it, afterwards he didn't even fire the captain of the guards or apologize.

Nicholas missed every opportunity to save his own skin.

This is why democracy is the best model

Even though a guy like Putin can (and probably does) steal as much as he wants, one thing he can't afford is incompetence. The outside world and internal enemies would shred him to pieces. A czar doesn't have to answer to anyone and can be as retarded and lazy as he wants.

The Socialist Revolutionary party (i.e. the biggest party in Russia after the Tsar fell) wanted a constitutional monarchy but the Bolsheviks fucked it all up and disbanded their parliament.

Pretty all the conditions that led to the february and october revolutions were made by administrative incompetence so great that, well, one can hardly believe it accidental.
Not saying I believe in those sorts of conspiracies, just it's ridiculous how so many people could have been so dumb all at the same time. But it happened.

I guess a constitutional monarchy would be the most fitting for Russia.

When everyone simply accepts that you are the king and god wants you to be the king, there is no need for a gigantic terror apparatus.

Stalins terror was born out of weakness, not out of strength. He even thought he would be kicked out of the Kremlin after the invasion, that's how much faith he had in the loyalty of his people.

Communism was retarded to begin with, you're not fighting for Russia, noo, you're fighting for the rest of the world and a future paradise. Who are you fighting? The rest of the world. Absolutely retarded. Even fascism might have been a better alternative.

Not remotely. The poorest and least developed European power became the second most powerful state in human history.

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ahh, the classic Veeky Forums "history book in a pic xdd"

seriously, why do kids take this shit-smeared shit for evidence?

>freedom of speech

*gets his mail read by okhrana and then summarily executed for anti-monarchist sentiments*

Pshhh, notin personel, serf.

The USSR happened to rule over a shit ton of arable land (Eastern Europe), plenty of empty space to relocate political opponents (Siberia), a massive population, and a shit ton of natural resources. The Russian Empire was barely even industrialized yet, and was essentially feudalist by the time of the Russian Revolution. Communism isn't exactly an economy-booster, but going from agrarian feudalism to industrialized anything will sure as fuck help.

The Russian Empire was not a pathetic country by any means. However, the USSR was definitely better. Early reforms made by the Soviet government laid the foundation for the USSR's growth.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez
Stalin's industrialiation came at a cost(purges) but it was worth it. It took him 25 years to achieve something the tsars couldn't achieve in two centuries.
>can't even defend their own ports (Crimean war)
They were attacked by two major powers and a minor one. Not to mention, that was the only successful operation of that war by the coalition. Most of their other endeavours failed.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Petropavlovsk#Second_Bombardment_and_Repulse_of_the_Landing_Force
>In autumn 1854, a squadron of three British warships led by HMS Miranda left the Baltic for the White Sea, where they shelled Kola (which was utterly destroyed) and the Solovki. Their attempt to storm Arkhangelsk proved unsuccessful.

>Suvorov's Ivan-waves
You've got to be fucking joking
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cassano_(1799)
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trebbia_(1799)
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Izmail

>Russia
>great country
>if the anglo ALLOWED it

lmfao

No they won it, the space race was always about getting the first man in space. It was just post-mortem extended to the moon(when the soviets were already focusing on spacestations). All you can say is that the US won the culture war.

>Russian Empire was extremely backwards in self-sufficiency, industry, etc
Absolutely false,

European Russia was more developed than Spain, for instance.

Sovietboo redditors are so cringy

Spain was and always will be a meme country

american lend lease program
russia then lend lease to china
china now lend lease to america

pacific circle is complete

only thing i can think of atlantic slave triangle trade

Yeah, but they were much lower rates of growth than in the capitalist west.

Only good things about the USSR were its aesthetic borders and the fact that it collapsed.

>you have to be a nazi to think communism is trash
In reality just have to have a functioning brain

>loses against Japan
Russian military history doesn't start with russo-japanese war, ever heard of generals Suvorov and Kutuzov? Check them out
Also try fighting a war where the enemy stabs you in the ass (Far East) and you don't even have the resources to turn back and face him with your primal forces

The ability to zergrush your enemies with a backpack of nukes in the background shouldn't be underestimated.

>Russian people won't suffer no more war
By starting their own that, ironically, made their deathtoll in WWI look like amateur hour

>and famine
By giving up their most fertile growing area

At least the Emperor wanted to keep fighting, and not just bend over and get assfucked (yeah, I know that was kind of happening already, but B-L was a terrible treaty)

>starting their own
What are you talking about?
>the Emperor wanted to keep fighting
Nicholas was a deluded retard who never showed any interest in his country. The people were sick of the war.

lmao the commies not wanting to give up land and thus keep fighting is what caused B-L. It was initially quite modest, but Trotsky had to be an idiot.