Holocaust

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Fritz Renner and Bruno Grosmann

there's two for ya

In before a stormfag inadvertently admits too German war crimes by trying to claim the deaths were caused by the Allies destroying supply lines and the Germans feeding soldiers instead of prisoners.

What was wrong with the holocaust exactly?

Jews were more attracted to communism, many Jews were Polish separatists whose uprising contributed to the treaty of Versailles, the Spartacist uprising had overwhelmingly Jewish leadership. It is generalizing to assume all Jews were like this and those that were were likely pushed into doing so due to their mistreatment, but Jews refused to convert for centuries, any Jew could have put his hat on, moved to another town and said "I was raised catholic and my parents are dead" thereby solving the problem forever. Since they hadn't at that point the only way to solve this problem was to remove bagel.

>Jews were more attracted to communism,

A lot less than most Baltics or Finns, who were welcomed to the Nazis with open arms.

What are you going to do about it you cucked poltard

>if you don't arbitrarily move to a different town and deny your family, culture and history, you deserve death

Good logic. US/USSR should have genocided all Germans after the war. After all look at all that shit they caused.

>implying that's not what happened

The number of German civilians killed by the Allied powers in the occupation period was fairly minimal, especially compared to what the Germans did to those they occupied.

Germans got lucky even the Soviets took the high road.

>What was wrong with the holocaust exactly?
The systematic extermination of men, women and children on in industrial scale. And it wasn't just Jews, it was Romani, Handicapped, Jehovah Witnesses, anti fascists and so on.

>Biggest ethnic cleansing in history
>Germans got lucky
>Being this much of an edglord faggot

Yeah US totally put Germans in death camps. Germany actually flourished after WWII, except East Germany of course.

Witness reports alone are not grounds for conviction
I would know, I watch Law and Order

> baiting this hard

>Anti-Holocaust infographs are no good!
>Pro-Holocaust infographs might as well be peer-reviewed
Neck Yourself

Can't tell if memeing or not.

Half-n-half homedog

I'm not the guy you were talking to, but I have no problem with the holocaust being recognised as the horrific genocide it was, what really pisses me off is that any other genocide (i.e. Holodomor, Armenian genocide, Mao Zedong's genocide, Khmer Rouge e.t.c) is brushed off like some minor massacre confined to the reaches of ancient history, anybody is allowed to deny other genocides with near impunity but any questioning of the holocaust usually results in your life and career being irreversibly ruined which I think is on par with blackmail to censor dissenting opinions.

People should be allowed to publicly discuss and question minor details of something like a genocide without fear or damning retribution and complete alienation from the rest of society. If jews are so concerned when someone says that it was literally impossible to burn as many bodies as was claimed, then maybe there is a sinister ulterior motive to censoring opposing opinions so much.

You do know that almost all of those have laws against their denial as well, right? You have people sent to prison (mostly turks in Eruope) for denying the Armenian genocide.

>People should be allowed to publicly discuss and question minor details of something like a genocide without fear or damning retribution and complete alienation from the rest of society.

That is a very American view of things. I'm American myself and I share it, but you should realize that most of the world doesn't hold that kind of sentiments.

> If jews are so concerned when someone says that it was literally impossible to burn as many bodies as was claimed, then maybe there is a sinister ulterior motive to censoring opposing opinions so much.

It's a very open motive. They don't like it and find it offensive, and in societies that don't put as high a value on the freedom of expression and do put high values on protecting from offense and keeping everything nice and tranquil, they ban offensive speech.

Right, so trying to find the truth is offensive and allowed to be censored because it could evoke emotional responses. I get that it's a very sensitive topic for those involved (I'm actually descended from Irish Catholics and I get pretty sensitive when it comes to the IRA or the potato famine or anti-Irish propaganda in America and Australia), but wouldn't people rather know the truth and clear up any misconceptions than circlejerk into oblivion about who had it the worst?

You raise a good point about the persecution of genocide deniers, however this behaviour is only replicated for the holocaust outside of Europe. In my country there was a far left talk show where a descendant of Stalin openly denied any wrongdoings of Stalin and justified him through mental gymnastics to somehow be akin to a saint. Nobody gave two shits and what he was saying was perfectly acceptable, but any critique of the holocaust gets you a good chance of landing in jail or fines up the arse. Clearly Jews have international influence where this sort of situation could even happen, or maybe it's because our education is so piss poor and we have so many delusional communists that anything is acceptable so long as it's pro socialism.

>Right, so trying to find the truth is offensive and allowed to be censored because it could evoke emotional responses.

Not just that. I mean for fuck's sake, weren't you on Veeky Forums when all those "I got arrested over my twitter comments" shit in Britian went down?

>, but wouldn't people rather know the truth and clear up any misconceptions than circlejerk into oblivion about who had it the worst?

Apparently not. Nor, for that matter, does censorship have anything to do with the underlying truthfulness of things.

> Nobody gave two shits and what he was saying was perfectly acceptable, but any critique of the holocaust gets you a good chance of landing in jail or fines up the arse.

I don't mean to pry about where you live, but I'm personally unaware of anywhere outside of Europe or Israel itself that throws people under the bus for Holocaust denial, except maybe Canada (which is very British/European culturally, if not geographically).

And there's a long, long way between legal repression and mere social unacceptability. Go out into the street and shout about how all those niggers need to be shipped back to Africa, and as far as I'm aware that's not illegal anywhere, but you will get in all sorts of unofficial trouble from people who think you're a bigoted moron.

By your idiot logic, insults should also be prohibited, because they offend me and may have an emotional response. Fucking retard.

Nothing justifies the prohibition of holocaust investigation, except that you want to control people so they do not know anything, and useful fools as you try to justify it.

Hide & Sage.

I live in Australia, and I'm mainly pissed off at the increasingly pro-socialist sentiments over here that allow any thing at all to be justified so long as it supports or is associated with what most people call "the left".

The censorship is a sign that we're about to deal with yet another tyrant or dictator, and an age of hard-line suppression that is basically a reproduction of the actions a new emperor takes when he gets into power - destroy all opposition and ramp up the propaganda. The phrase "post-truth" society is getting closer to reality and I'm scared of the Orwellian society we're edging towards.

I probably exxagerated in terms of saying that you get sent to a gulag for holocaust denial in Australia, but the social treatment you get is a lot worse than denying other genocides.

>but I have no problem with the holocaust being recognised as the horrific genocide it was, what really pisses me off is that any other genocide (i.e. Holodomor, Armenian genocide, Mao Zedong's genocide, Khmer Rouge e.t.c) is brushed off like some minor massacre confined to the reaches of ancient history, anybody is allowed to deny other genocides with near impunity but any questioning of the holocaust usually results in your life and career being irreversibly ruined which I think is on par with blackmail to censor dissenting opinions.

This is not the case at all in my liberal northeast history department. If you start denying Stalin dindunuffin even in my anti-Trump hysterics history department they'd look at you like you're crazy.

Maybe you just talk to stupid people.

>If jews are so concerned when someone says that it was literally impossible to burn as many bodies as was claimed, then maybe there is a sinister ulterior motive to censoring opposing opinions so much.

This is where you exposed yourself as a /pol/beard, but I'll bait.

This document is from the manufacturers of the Auschwitz crematoriums show that manufacturers show that slightly lesser amount of bodies can be burned in their ovens (which proves that the nazis were overloading their ovens but not to a point where they ceased functioning.)

But lets say the nazis burned the bodies at the rate provided by the manufacturers, Kremas II and III = 2102 corpses per day, and Kremas IV and V= 1120 corpses per day.

3472 corpses x 365 = just shy of 1.3 million per year.

In b4 "this document is fake!"

>SS
i don't know rick it looks fake

Not because of a stubborn refusal to convert that was culturally engrained. If Balts and Finns were still exceptionally troublesome decades after Germany won the war (or Germans after the Russians won the war) it would be a different story. That wasn't the case, East Germany was the jewel of the USSR's conquests.

What is so special about Jewish culture and history?

As for the emotional and economic cost of uprooting, how does it compare to the futile cause of railing against "anti-semitism"?

How many children were killed in firebombings? The allies made the choice between surrendering and sparing their lives or fighting and killing them, so did the axis. If you're not prepared to attack others then you must resign yourself to being a pacifist hermit holy man of sorts.

If I were a Jew in Germany in the 30s I'd immediately grab my family and move to America, shit, I'd probably do it in the 20s before Hitler rose to power just to improve my prosperity. I'd stop being a Jew because it is just a spook that just muddies the water in social relationships, or keep it on the downlow if the wife insists on it.

Not because of a stubborn refusal to convert that was culturally engrained. If Balts and Finns were still exceptionally troublesome decades after Germany won the war (or Germans after the Russians won the war) it would be a different story. That wasn't the case, East Germany was the jewel of the USSR's conquests.

What is so special about Jewish culture and history?

As for the emotional and economic cost of uprooting, how does it compare to the futile cause of railing against "anti-semitism"?

How many children were killed in firebombings? The allies made the choice between surrendering and sparing their lives or fighting and killing them, so did the axis. If you're not prepared to attack others then you must resign yourself to being a pacifist hermit holy man of sorts.

If I were a Jew in Germany in the 30s I'd immediately grab my family and move to America, shit, I'd probably do it in the 20s before Hitler rose to power just to improve my prosperity. I'd stop being a Jew because it is a spook that muddies the water in social relationships, or keep it on the downlow if the wife insists on it.

>hitler rightfully wary that Jews might overwhelmingly support communism and partisans during the war
>puts them in camps for security purposes just like the Americans did with the Japanese
>as war breaks down, Germany can't feed them or ensure hygienic water supplies
>typhus outbreak carried by ticks
>hundreds of thousands die from various causes: disease, starvation, malnutrition
>poles and soviets massively increase numbers for propaganda purposes
>after the war, some people find the pesticide Zyklon B was used in delousing chambers to kill ticks and lice which carried the typhus disease
>come up with unsubstantiated theory of mass gassings
>soviets push this theory to try to get Jews on their side
>Jews push this theory to get international sympathy and aid and creation of Israel
>pull some random figure in the millions out of their ass
>make it illegal for anyone to question this figure

Pretty much this.

>inb4 30 day site wide ban

>They don't like it and find it offensive, and in societies that don't put as high a value on the freedom of expression and do put high values on protecting from offense and keeping everything nice and tranquil, they ban offensive speech.
The countries I know the laws of, namely Germany and France, ban Holocaust denial on the grounds of public order, NOT because they find it "offensive". This is a common misconception.

Furthermore, Holocaust research isn't banned. Both countries allow quite extensive research into it. In Germany, academic research in particular even has extended privileges on top of the German standard of freedom of speech.

> (i.e. Holodomor, Armenian genocide, Mao Zedong's genocide, Khmer Rouge e.t.c) is brushed off like some minor massacre confined to the reaches of ancient history,
People disagree on the classification of Holodomor as a genocide. While horrible, I think it definitely does not satisfy the same degree of intentionality that was present in the Holocaust, which is why it has to be classified differently,
but I think the primary problem here is just that you're hanging around with retards. Most people don't brush them off like that.

>How many children were killed in firebombings?
Nobody said the firebombings where good either you dumb fuck! Fucking kids know that two wrongs don't make a right but it's to much for an inbreed moron from /pol/ to handle.