Be a flabby loser

go out drink some beer and have fun, we just wanna see you get buttblasted.

>forest apes have a hard time admitting that because they think all work = hard labor
what a fucking bourgeoisie statement

Go back to plebbit fedorafag. Veeky Forums is a capitalist wholesome Christian board. If you want to be an edgy manchild you are not welcome here.

>triggered classcucks who need their safespaces
It's a nice way to blow off a little steam before abandoning a shit thread.

Not good being this mad on an imageboard, go to the gym or do something with your life, trump is president for 8 years, nothing you can do about it famalam. New times now cuckboy.

stop invading Veeky Forums, you fucking redditor

how much you dl bruv

You forgot he smells, OP.

Go back to plebbit, Veeky Forums is a Christian board and we don't need you godless communists.

>>rape and oppress your unpaid indentured servant

>rape and oppress your unpaid indentured servant
[citation needed]

Firstly, nice dubs
Secondly, that picture
>Hey Frank, isn't attacking a wall with a single long line of cavalry and infantry kinda dumb?

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>>never work a day in your life
He wrote in the new york tribune to express his views to people, effectively karl marx attempted to convince the masses he was right far more than you have, you take democracy for granted.

>its a "communist is a giant bourgeoisie hypocrite" episode

youtube.com/watch?v=zVJOTYzAW1U

sort yourself out

Could you provide an example of a communist being against providing housing, social benefits or a job to white people, please?

>rape and oppress your unpaid indentured servant
Tell me more about this.

Always funny what a selective memory bourgeoisie communist LARPers have

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he knocked up his slave, don't let /leftypol/ know

Why would you use critics from a democratic socialist on the middle class if you are not even socialist? Hell none of the people he complained about are even socialists but liberals who are fixated on identity politics rather than class consciousness. That is not to say socialists won't welcome richer participants.

Also do you give a shit about the working class? You are welcome to join unions or even pic related, an actual leftist organization by the working class for the working class

>Also do you give a shit about the working class?

yes because I actually am working class unlike you bourgeoisie fart sniffers who we literally all hate. None of us are going to crown you king.

And no one asked you to. So walk in the footsteps of Eugene Debs and Helen Keller and join unions and the IWW to fight for your interests. Or have you already joined?

what do these have to do with a communist being against social benefits to white people?

>And no one asked you to.

except every communist who hates me not only for actually being working class, but for also being white. And of course every other white working class guy.

>So walk in the footsteps of Eugene Debs and Helen Keller and join unions and the IWW to fight for your interests. Or have you already joined?

no because its not the fucking 1920s and unions are useless. You would know this if you actually worked a day in your life instead of pontificating and trying to virtue signal the working class into exalting you into power over us as a benevolent king.

>literally advocate for a genocide of white people

>what do these have to do with a communist being against social benefits to white people?

lol

>(((((unions)))))

>its not the fucking 1920s and unions are useless
>he said as if the US right wing hadn't spent the last 40 years systematically destroying unions because they're the center of left wing political power

It worked so well that Democrats had to switch to using college campuses as their main power base.

>blaming it on this life long conspiracy by "muh evil republicans! :("

You do realize that all the life long democratic union workers voted for Trump this election, right? And they did so because he was the only guy running, democrat or republican, to even address the world of shit they were in while the democrats outright cheered on the death of the working class while metaphorically spitting on them as plebs.

you almost sound like some pajama boy cuck desperately trying to appeal to the working class by repeating shit your faggy LARPing professor said. Honestly, watching self proclaimed communist try and talk to the working class is like watching some perpetual virgin misogynist spew out PUA cringy lines to some 9/10.

Again the people you are whining about are liberals that are into identity politics, not communists fighting for class consciousness...

Sure, unions have declined in power (no prizes for guessing who did it), but that is like the bare minimum to fight for the working class. IWW and demsoc organizations seeks to organize, agitate and educate the working class too. You can help create co-operatives and credit unions to ensure a more equal workplace.

But if you are respond with how these measures are hopeless then you are just letting perfect be the enemy of good

I think both you and I know that Trump is no regular republican, so why are you pretending as such?

>conspiracy

Nixon and Reagan cracked down on the unions.

Union membership declined.

In every states the GOP has political power, they've pushed right to work laws, open shops, and other anti-union measures.

These are facts, the GOP themselves wouldn't deny it.

It was so successful that by the Clinton era, the Democrats had written off the unions entirely and switched to campuses as a base of support.

The Democratic Party traded unionized working class votes for educated professional class votes.

Also, communists need to be hanged, I just want to bring back Truman Democrats.

get the fuck over your cool kids club meme ideology

>Again the people you are whining about are liberals that are into identity politics, not communists fighting for class consciousness...

nice lip service trying to throw this identity politics shit under the bus now that you realize what a shit show that is, but it isnt going to work. Fuck you and fuck your failed Marcusian horseshit.

>Sure, unions have declined in power (no prizes for guessing who did it), but that is like the bare minimum to fight for the working class. IWW and demsoc organizations seeks to organize, agitate and educate the working class too. You can help create co-operatives and credit unions to ensure a more equal workplace.

I give some do nothing retard a chunk of my paycheck every month for nothing. Thats what a union is. Best case scenario, if I get fired, the union will find me a new job in a couple of months. Thats it. Its a huge waste of money for, once again, lazy fucks who want to do nothing but feel like they are on some great and noble crusade. Not to mention how the unions failed all those people in Detroit when they really needed them.

Please continue to look down on us from your ivory tower while preaching more and shilling white guilt and wonder why the working class fucking hates you.

>this party doesn't represent me
>I won't participate in that party's politics or support that party

How to get fucked like a choir boy 101 here.

Politicians work for people who vote for them, if you don't vote in primaries or turn up at the ballot box they'll tell you to go fuck yourself.

And if you think the GOP will be easier to turn into a worker-friendly party than the DNC, I envy your innocence.

>The Democratic Party traded unionized working class votes for educated professional class votes.

the same college cunts that have been crypto commies since the 60s. Before any Reagan bullshit.

>Also, communists need to be hanged, I just want to bring back Truman Democrats.

I think we can at least agree a bit on this. Considering this is the state of the democratic party now

youtube.com/watch?v=s2GSLPqT22E

>journalist
>job
ohoho

>Before any Reagan bullshit

I don't know if you know this, but it's always been like this.

Before Reagan, it was Nixon. Before Nixon, it was Goldwater. Before Goldwater, it was McCarthy.

The GOP has been trying to undo the New Deal and bring back the Gilded Age since the 30s.

>tfw LBJ probably could have kept the party together if Ngo Dinh Diem didn't act like a complete retard and suck the USA into Vietnam

I am only pointing out the obvious. These people never claim to advocate the core tenets of communism or even socialists, so why pretend that they are?

>I give some do nothing retard a chunk of my paycheck every month for nothing.
How does the weakened unions not managing to be effective a slight against unions or all the other methods I discussed? If you want to whine about your problems and doing nothing about it but direct your hate the middle class and not the people who did screw you over, the capitalists, that is fine. I just want to discuss what the leftists within the working class has been doing and is doing

>Was it autism?
yes.

>advocates for immigration which depresses wages
>advocates for regulations which hurt industry and literally killed coal in the US
>wow why dont you vote for them they're the workers party muh unions
the dems are crashing and burning which is exactly what they deserve

>if you don't vote in primaries or turn up at the ballot box they'll tell you to go fuck yourself.

what the hell are you talking about? when did I ever say Im not involved in politics or dont vote ect?

>And if you think the GOP will be easier to turn into a worker-friendly party than the DNC, I envy your innocence.

I work as a process operator in Louisiana. Trumps opening of the gulf is DIRECTLY responsible for me even getting this job in the first place let alone everyone else down here, and in the Mississippi and Texas areas to. And hes the only one that is against illegal immigration, which are basically just scabs. Which the DNC just praises for "muh diversity" like the disconnected retards they are.

If anything Trump was a GIANT slap in the face to the democrats and all you left wing fucks from the working class in the hopes that at least you would snap out of it. But the exact opposite happened and you just doubled down on you bullshit even more and now think electing a gay black muslim tranny to the head of the DNC will convince the working class to come back to them.

>A world without Communists

I agree with you. The Democrats have shit all over the working class.

The thing is, they aren't going to change if you don't give them a reason to.

Register as a democrat, and vote for the least cuck candidate in every party primary.

Make it clear that supporting the unions is the only way to survive as a Democrat politician. The NRA has already made it work on the GOP. It's doable.

Also

>implying fracking didn't rape coal way, way more than the EPA
>implying Trump can bring the jobs back

>If you want to whine about your problems and doing nothing about it but direct your hate the middle class and not the people who did screw you over, the capitalists, that is fine. I just want to discuss what the leftists within the working class has been doing and is doing

the point is that I dont really have any problems you jackass! You are saying I have them, and then promising to fix them if I give you some of my money and/or put you into power and Im telling you to fuck off. Are you really this dense?

Coal is fucking awful in every conceivable way, it should have died a long time ago.

thats not how it works retard
you dont vote for someone in hopes that they pay you attention
they have to put in the work first, thats like paying someone in hope that they do the job after the fact
right now the dems are a party of gibs who appeal to minorities who dont work
maybe after trump deports the illegals you'll see the dems pay workers some attention

I agree that an immigration amnesty is a stupid idea.

I just suspect that the GOP will do shit that will fuck the working class even harder

>deregulate the banks again, what's the worst that could happen
>tax holidays
>tax cuts for the rich at the cost of raising the deficit even more
>more Citizens United shit
>slash education funding

Both parties are pretty much fucking everyone, I just think the Democrats will be easier to fix than the Republicans.

>whine so much about how middle class people are dicks to the working class
>post a video about how they ignore the working class's struggles
>turns out you don't have a problem!
Great! So are you saying you have more rights as a worker with better wages and living in a more equal society than before?

>and vote for the least cuck candidate in every party primary.

the DNC killed any chance Jim "It aint me" Webb had. Why should I give a fuck about saving a party that just spent the last campaign arrogantly bragging about how they didnt need me?

washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/12/29/why-hillary-clinton-doesnt-need-to-win-the-white-working-class/?utm_term=.6cfb6efd5e82

>the DNC killed any chance Jim "It aint me" Webb had.
That is not Bernie

>So are you saying you have more rights as a worker with better wages and living in a more equal society than before?

yes, and its LITERALLY no thanks to you. The boogeyman is dead and we dont need you anymore. And I say "you" very liberally, because you personally and everyone like you has literally done nothing for us.

>another person who is aware of Jim Webb

As a Virginian, I was desperately hoping for another one of us to get in the White House.

Instead it ended up being two New Yorkers.

>we dont need you anymore

doubt.jpg

>thinking anyone gave a shit about bernie sanders other than pajama boy cucks. and then only because "DUDE FREE EDUCATION LMAO!"

Bernie really might be the most pathetic person from the election. Jesus christ.

Holy shit, did I just post something with a Motherjones watermark?

>yes, and its LITERALLY no thanks to you.
Wew lad

>And I say "you" very liberally, because you personally and everyone like you has literally done nothing for us.
>mfw assuming I am middle class
>implying i am not the child of a working class family
They are self made though

>theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanders-union-local-endorsement-labor/478527/
uh huh

>dude just fuck my wages up LMAO

>gets cucked by two fat niggers
>gets cyber bullied by his own party and loses because of it while Trump won despite the entire world plotting against him basically
>gets cucked by Hillary
>goes on to endorse her anyway
>this is all after he continued to take donations from his supporters even when he knew he wasnt going to make it
>after election, he loses in a debate to Ted Cruz

lol

Remember that the capitalists have been bringing or letting these immigrants come in to undercut the locals.

You know that there are two ways to prevent immigrants from undercutting locals right? Deport or prevent them from coming in or empower and unionize them along with the locals so nobody's wages are undercut. Bernie goes for the more reasonable 2 out of three

Why do modern-day leftists have to be so buttfucking stupid on the subject of immigration.

Even the ones I really agree with on other economic issues are just so terrible on it, most of them have a stance that is basically just soft of open borders.

And almost all of them are awful on guns, which makes me never want to vote for any of them.

>implying class consciousness hasn't increased
>implying he and Trump is pushing the Overton window left
>implying he is reforming the Democratic Party or see it burn
I mean he is not great, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good

>two ways
Three

no the more resonable approach is to deport them as they broke the law in coming illegally
also while forcing them to legalize allows them to not be undercut, it still depress's wages as you are creating a labor surplus

>Remember that the capitalists have been bringing or letting these immigrants come in to undercut the locals.

and their communist and antifa stooges literally beat the shit out of people for complaining about that because "its racist!"

>Deport or prevent them from coming in

ok, lets do that since the union has failed at everything else it does.

>actually believes anyone gives a shit about bernie or communism at all

lol the delusions you are under are hilarious.

That is really hard to do since there are 11 million of them. Not to say any of the three solutions are bad, but people tend to forget the last one. IMO the last two should be used much more than the first

>it still depress's wages as you are creating a labor surplus
It is offset when everyone can collectively bargain for their wages to increase. Plus if they can unionize, the capitalists won't be so keen to bring them over anymore.

That is rich coming from someone who thinks people who aren't communist are, who has made claims in this thread to be disprove so hard by others.

Forgive me if I don't trust your grip on reality

>still trying to shill for third world hordes flooding into the country

WHY? Why are you faggots so dead set on this retarded idea? It makes no logical sense.

nypost.com/2017/03/09/illegal-immigration-from-mexico-down-40-percent-in-trumps-first-month/

>It is offset when everyone can collectively bargain for their wages to increase
yes and thats leads to unemployment as wages are artificially boosted or the capitalist will just fire everyone who refuses to take a wagecut and wages will fall
either way there is no benefit for immigration on this scale

I never said that we should bring more in. I said that legitimatizing and unionizing them is also an option to counter wages being undercut by the influx illegal immigration.

>source: robert reich
wew lad

Soviet communism failed

chinese communism failed

Cultural marxism failed

Bernie Sander tier communism failed

No one likes this stupid shit other than a few basket case LARPers

And now you have actual working class people telling you to fuck off and calling you on your bullshit. What does it take to get it through your thick skulls? a free helicopter ride?

I can see

>at this point, roughly one out of every twenty Americans is an illegal
>the infrastructure necessary to deport these people would be disproportionate relative to the economic impact of them

Like, that makes some degree of sense to me.

The ideal would be if we could eliminate birthright citizenship for the children of illegals, and aggressively crack down on people who employ illegals.

Instead of trying to throw them out, we just make it unprofitable for them to come here in the first place.

Unfortunately, anyone born in the US is automatically a citizen, and the 14st amendment is never getting changed.

> wages are artificially boosted
If anything wages are artificially depressed lately
See
>capitalist will just fire everyone who refuses to take a wagecut and wages will fall
Then businesses will fail coz capitalists have no more (or lesser) customers. They are not that stupid (I hope). But i do argee that immigration must be downsized to some level

>Bernie Sander tier communism failed

Tee bee aytch, it works pretty well in Norway, the Netherlands, Germany, and most of Northern Europe.

I mean, their immigration policies are a disaster, but so are America's.

>keeps replying with more delusions and misunderstanding
Whatever you say senpai, the grown ups are talking

>n-no u!

good one. Now why dont you watch another freakin epic hell march video while mommy heats up your tendies

>see shit graphs
See data that accounts for all compensation instead of just wages

It goes up a bit during bubbles and goes down when the bubbles pop. The notion that workers haven't been getting their fair share disappears remarkably fast when you look at the complete picture instead of cherry picking to push communism.

>sprouting /r9k/ lingo when you have posting pepes
Wew lad. I am done trying to have a discourse with you if you seem so stubborn to even acknowledge or respond what i said. You are proven wrong so many times on so many issues. Rather to talk to the other user than you coz he is way less adversarial than you

I never posted pepe and you never discussed shit. You just tried to claim Im delusional for knowing that bernie sanders lost and lost hard and that every communist system has failed.

>It goes up a bit during bubbles and goes down when the bubbles pop.
The only uptick is 1960 to 1970 and 1995 and 2000. Hell if what you said is true, then why is 2000 to 2010 decreasing despite riding the wave of the housing bubble?

Scandinavia's success came before its shift to socialism which hasn't been much more than a burden. its rapid growth happened earlier and it has declined in its wealth since its welfare state has been implemented
you dont understand what "artificially" means
a capitalist only has to pay his workers are much as he can to be competitive with other businesses. the median wage for a job is determined by that job's barriers to entry, and how many people are willing to work for that job (which is also dependent on the barries to entry) and also for how well that individual worker is, depending on how much room of indvidual skill a job allows
a price floor (which is essentially what unions are for wages) or ceiling is artificial
as there may be people willing to work for a lower wage who are pushed out as the capitalist cant hire more people due to the increased wage

Yes i know what "artificially" means, but i pointed out that wages should have already been increasing in tandem with the capitalist's profits, but outsourcing and immigration has undercut their wages as shown in the graphs.

The situation you painted is true but you miss one crucial thing, that the capitalists can just cut back on their overall profits to stay in business and keep hiring the same amount of people

>the only upticks are during bubbles (also the meme-worthy golden age that gave us boomers where the graph starts wasn't itself an uptick)
>why did it go down when the dot com bubble burst
I'm not sure what your objection is exactly. But what fluctuation there is manages to confine itself to a 5% range. Meanwhile the productivity v wage graphs are suggesting it should be going from 60% down to 30%, which is patently absurd.

My objection is your statement isn't true, as the 2 upticks that risen pre-bubble is 1965 to 1970 and 1995 to 2000. Every other white region has % dropping steadily lower and lower or at least stagnating. Even the region from 2000 to 2008 dropped the lowest despite the riding the biggest bubble since 1920s.

I don't doubt the graph, i just doubt the point you are trying to make with it

>be a spoiled entitled cry baby
>be a manlet
>be sterile
>molest children

Fun fact: So far at 27 years old I'm a complete failure, but I also realize socialism is bullshit while at the same time recieving welfare. HAHA I'm a hypocrit faggot.