Have we returned to feudalism, just on an international scale?

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We are all wagecucks now. Feudalism in comparison would be pretty chill, so long as there are civil protections and rights.

I propose democratic feudalism.

No, we're in an Imperial system, surviving on bread and circuses while the elite loot the whole world.

"Oppressed" feudal serfs had HALF THE YEAR off in paid holiday time, and in England at least were so literate and leisured that they habitually sued their masters for even minor violations of their rights.

No but the upper class has so much power now over the common folk, socially it's now effectively the same.

Obviously the meme of peasants living absolutely horrid lives is just that, a meme.

It wasn't until the black death did people stop bathing (people thought bathing spread the plague), so the medieval ages wasn't even that dirty.

It's the opposite of feudalism, as political power is more concentrated than ever.

No it's just the natural state of a society where the economic growth is slowing down to nothingness.

There are no great changes anymore, that why we are returning to a stable systemthat worked just fine for centuries.

Source?

How can we return to something that never existed? :^)

>implying eternal void is a bad thing

i like the meme that the truth about existence and death is inherently bad for no reason

late stage captialism

Pre modern people:
Worked six hours a day max

Lots of holidays, real holidays where the entire community would get together in song, dance, and feasting, not this "take one day off work and get drunk by yourself" bullshit

Colorful clothing, elegant stylish ceder hats

Bountiful food including salmon, natural berries, mushrooms, and elk

Drugs nonexistent, except for some patches of psychedelic mushrooms which pop out of the earth for one season a year

Fresh water which pours from ever mountain into a pristine sea

Wake up with the rising of the sun and the songs of the birds

Spend the winter around a fire telling the stories of your ancestors

Live within a community that will always have your back

Die knowing your name will live on in the stories and songs of your community until the end of time

Post modern people:
Work eight hours a day, plus a minimum of one hour unpaid commute time, plus the time to actually convert that money into food and resources

Maybe two weeks of holiday time per year, which you celebrate alone

Social events such as clubs and bars are strictly stratified by class, antisocial in nature, and generally revolve around the commodification of sex

Clothing is dark colored and utilitarian, patterns/flourishes are shunned or garish, hats are ugly cotton sacks and rarely worn

Food is limited to corn products and factory meat, anything that's not genetically modified and doesn't come from a can generally costs an arm and a leg

A thousand dead from fentanyl overdoses and counting, while coke and heroin addictions are common and a new drug gets invented every week and can be bought by anyone with an internet connection. Tobacco and liquor everywhere

Pollutants which leak from every ditch and pipe into a brown murky sea

Lie in bed till three in the morning while the cars zip by outside your cramped apartment

When you die every scrape of your existence will be scrubbed from your home so it can be sold to highest bidder

I assume you mean a protection racket not seasonal labor in the lord's fields in exchange for a plot of land.

Extortion is very difficult nowadays due to the nuclear deterrent, guerrilla warfare and friendly democratic nations cooperating against belligerent nations. The system we have now is due to economic leverage.

An analogy might be a pirate with a load of treasure buried somewhere. Ordinarily you'd come up with some excuse like "equality" and torture him until he gives you the location but he is out to sea. You have to trade for it. If he is a shrewd businessman he isn't just going to give it out to anyone and his gold could support him comfortably for decades, if you set your prices high he can easily hold out until you cave, then he will offer you a loan with interest to make sure he gets the most bang for his buck, if you can't pay the interest or won't pay he will cry to the others about what happened and offer the same opportunities to your rivals costing you far more than the interest. The only way to wrest a piece of the pie from him is to play the capital markets better than he does, you have to go full into capitalism. You end up contributing to the system as a whole as a side effect of seeking individual success, individual success that benefits the elite in particular who are in the best position to push for favorable reforms.

The irony is "globalism" would actually make this more difficult. The more unified the world's governments are the more they can stamp out tax evasion, smuggling, black markets, deals under the table and so forth, the fewer places there are for the "pirates" to berth and operate freely. Also there is nothing immoral with any of it, it was all done without forcing anyone to do anything.

>Feudalism on an international scale
That doesn't make sense.

Feudalism and corporatism/socialism are structurally completely different.
Feudalism was based on nobility and honour; every person lived according to their honour in society. When the concept of money came to the west, the first thing they did was abandon feudalism, because the king abandoned the value of honour for the value of gold. As gold was an international substance, the honourable people in society instead valued internationalism, abandoning their honour. It took a long time; but it was mainly because of an already honourless group of people (jews, gypsies, and nomads) started to capitalize where the Christian European wasn't allowed, banking and politics.

And now... We have a socialist nanny state that acts like a feudal state, but that's because it's the best way to keep people alive. Notice there are no borders or walls anymore. Honour doesn't exist. We don't need to stop international invaders from coming in and stealing our things, because we're apart of the same system as they are, controlled by the dollar. The dollar is controlled by global interests (oil, immigration, military, etc).

The very words "Political correctness" should make it all clear by now. We've stopped building morals on human relationships; instead, we're building morals on artificially constructed human relationships (perpetuated by the media), like diversity, tolerance, inclusion and anti-racism. We call it "Political correctness", because it's the morality of a politically controlled people.

How did they measure people's honor?

>Colorful clothing, elegant stylish ceder hats
>Bountiful food including salmon, natural berries, mushrooms, and elk
>Wake up with the rising of the sun and the songs of the birds
>Fresh water which pours from ever mountain into a pristine sea
>Spend the winter around a fire telling the stories of your ancestors

lol.

There's a reason why people in industrializing societies moved into cities in their thousands to work their ass off in terrible conditions, and it sure as hell had everything to do with quality of life in the countryside.

>Multi-generational household

>Implying its that simple

It never went away
Only mutated
all the serfs are still cucked out of the most basic function of life by property ownership, to move about the world freely.
Ur life is a lie, stop working plant a seed

Pic related, it's how it went down
Reverse image search for the study this is from

Neoliberalism, mates.

>Have we returned to feudalism
I would have to say no though the term is troublesome for a variety of reasons (see usna.edu/Users/history/abels/hh315/Feudalism_HH315.htm).

This meme is just as bad if not worst than the meme it is trying to uproot.

dumb term used by commies

No, but it was suggested by some people after the 2016 election, saying that only City people should be able to vote

What a load of rubbish. Here, I'll start you down the road of why feudalism started to fall apart.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subinfeudation

In short, nobles and in particular kings were obliged to parcel off pieces of their lands in order to secure the loyalty of the nobility. You give them title and land, they show up to fight for you when you need it. Consequently crown lands shrank, and so did royal revenues. Great lords began to exceed their kings in wealth and influence, and you end up with shit like the Wars of the Roses. Overmighty vassals engaged in their own struggles, either ignoring your protests or actively making you a pawn in their games.

Feudalism didn't fall apart because the king started loving gold more than honor; it started to fall apart because he couldn't get his hands on enough gold. And a number of other reason. The Black Death played a big role in changing the balance of power between peasant and noble. When a third of the peasants have kicked it, the remaining 2/3rds become much, much more valuable and they began to leverage that to increase their rights and decrease the privileges of the nobility.

Because the rural areas were neglected. Honestly for development a lot of developed nations try pushing and projecting the way they developed onto developing ones even if it's recreating godawful results (mainly because if they did allow them to develop in a way that suited their circumstances they'd end up fucking themselves since they'd have huge competitors).

>he fell for the nucular family meme

Peasants started moving into the cities only with the emergence of proto-capitalism in mid to late 17th century when super wealthy landlords kept buying up land and charging the tenants insane rates. Actual feudalism was pretty chill.

Moreover, a serf wouldn't be allowed to just pack up and move to the city, he was tied to the land. So what you're describing actually fits modern times better than medieval feudalism.

It's pseudofeudalism, but people are too stupid to notice or just remain ignorant willingly.

For fuck's sake, we still have titles like "landlord."

Seems like Capitalism is failing, and will collapse under it's own weight. The question is what replaces such a system in the future. My guess is things fracture, countries balkanize and we end up with localized but diverse systems. Many will probably be warlords and chiefdoms. I can see feudalism develop in some places, maybe in the South of the former US.

I wonder what the sex was like at the time. What good is a 17 years old virgin bride if you don't fuck her brains out with the rage of a thousand suns?

>Capitalism is failing

It is, capitalism requires more people to sell stuff to each generation. Its like social security in that way. But jobs get removed by automation and what have you, so you need more ways to get money 'downstream', so people can keep buying stuff in order to keep capitalism afloat.

You end up in a situation where capitalist countries either start producing more poverty than lifting people out of it, or you get massive levels of wealth redistribution. Maybe socialism will work, or maybe everything will fall apart. That's about the only options once you reach that point.

>it was all done without forcing anyone to do anything
Welll except for the whole they'll kill you if you don't pay their taxes, and agree to be a part of their system. Laws are forced on citizens by threat of armed police who have the right to kill you should you refuse their demands, and being a citizen is not something you choose to be. You are on by virtue of being born on the controlling governments land.

>Drugs nonexistent, except for some patches of psychedelic mushrooms which pop out of the earth for one season a year

opium has always been popular. you know, the thing that makes heroin and all the painkillers. it was traded heavily on the Silk Road until China banned it (for a short period I think I forget)

>eurocucks though bathing spread the plague

Neo-Feudalism seems interesting desu

Yep.

When euros landed in the new world, the meso-americans and incans thought the euros smelled like shit. Because Natives bathed regularly and euros didn't.

>neo
Fuck off.

I watched a documentary about that recently. Pretty fucked up imo

>Feudalism was based on nobility and honour; every person lived according to their honour in society.
lol

>Feudalism didn't fall apart because the king started loving gold more than honor; it started to fall apart because he couldn't get his hands on enough gold.
Exactly my point though. Gold existed as an international resource; it corrupted people's inherent humane values.

Imagine that family is the only thing that matters. You protect your family, feed your family, etc. The family is the first feudal society. Gold is a form of law; when first introduced, the structure of the family doesn't change much; but after a while, people start basing their values around the power of gold, because gold acts as an environmental feature.

Experience, inheritance, and confidence.
It's essentially based on the Alpha-beta relationship. The beta is born to follow; only when he is confident in his ability can he ascend to become an alpha. This relationship existed throughout all of the feudal era. If you called yourself a "fisherman", it was because you were easily recognized as a relatively good fisherman. If nobody knew you, they couldn't validate your claim. It takes peers of X to validate an X. It takes peers of royals to validate a king. It takes peers of farmers to validate a farmer.

>capitalism requires more people to sell stuff to each generatio

Why?

To some degree, you could say that feudalism is back or that it has never been gone. Corporations function as the nobility now.

Because in the past imperialism was the solution.

No one could possibly take that chart seriously.

Because otherwise the economy isn't growing, and if the economy isn't growing than its shrinking. There is no 'standing still' with economics.

How many cars and homes is the average person going to buy, even if they have more money than previous generations? Wealthier people will buy less homes and cars than somewhat less wealthy people in a larger generation.More people equals more food purchased, that means more truck drivers to deliver food and more farmers to produce it, more factory workers, more grocery store employees, thus more grocery stores and managers and investors and thus more bankers.

More people is in general always better, weather its selling to more outsiders or having domestic populations to sell to.

>More people is in general always better
That's only if the GDP can sustain such a population, otherwise progress will always be discounted by the number of mouths to feed.

I do agree with you though, a higher population tends to produce a more dynamic and thriving economy.

You want more fucked up shit check how fucked up the agriculture both food and cash crop is world wide.

Like how China pulled the ladder for development through cheap production the ladder of development of using agriculture is dead as fuck.

That's the thing, unlimited growth is impossible, eventually a crash will happen. But when you have to think about shrinking the population the economy will suffer.

So what do you do? I don't know!

If so people will probably be less dependent on single regions and cities when solar powered air transportation becomes a reality.

we're about to go into techno-feudalism hardcore

turns out expertise creates hierarchy

>oh wow look at that dead body covered in sores floating down the river because he died thirsty
>better not go in there ever again

thats a nice way of saying globalism

Cultureless Ameriblobs and commies thinking aristocracy means "rich people" and is somehow the same thing as a bunch of new money crude Jewish banksters is something that really irks and amuses me at the same time. It's like equating a Michelin star restaurant to Taco Bell.

england can only grow rocks so peasants had it easy
try that with multiple harvests and a climate/soil that actually lets you grow anything you want whole year around

oh and a lord that has land equal to an english county

globalism/consumerism is a stupid concept.
Its just slavery expanded to a planet.
Thinking your tyrannical globalist slavemaster is the best is just arrogant and usually cultist.

Wow you have no understanding of economics

Then explain how its wrong.

You only got to fuck your wife when you wanted a child. So like 10 times in a lifetime.

sexual promiscuity was looked down upon, prevented a lot of faggots and self-hating young people from coming out of the woodwork

small pox doesnt have the best odor

Not an argument.