Holy

>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
>Is none of those things
What did they mean by this?

Germans are just dumb subhumans t b h

...

/pol worships Germans you idiot

>politically incorrect

Well it all dates back to the Conquest of the Frankish kings. You see at the time Rome had been under threat to many rising kingdoms and Frankia just happened to Convert at the right time. They Proved to be strong fighters for the christian faith at tours. Since the Church was the Church and not an actualy nation or army it needed someone to rely on. Since Roman Empire fell and Rome was sacked, the Church was struggling to find a successor. Being that the Romans were Christain at the time of their fall and relied on the Church for part of their Political structure when Rome fell, The Chruch was trying to regain its status as a player and rebirth the Roman Empire. When the Franks proved themselves to be a strong power and upon Charlemagne's conquest it became apparent that Frankia would be the New Romans and thus Charlemagne was Crowned. Of course we know his legacy split and the Name of Roman Emperor did not hold well, we see the birth of a new type of Roman empire one named the Holy Roman Empire. A empire that had direct tie to the Catholic Church. In its original form it certainly had aspects of Holiness, Empire Like and since it was Based part in Rome the Roman title came into play. We know that this did not stay like this and that the Cluster fuck of small kingdoms dividing the HRE that is now Austira, Germany and France was certainly not in anyway an Empire, Roman, or Holy for that matter.

Most people who see the HRE image that cluster fuck of nations and think "how the fuck is that an empire or Roman? its not even touching Rome?"
well to answer it was romanish at a time, it was an empire, and Holy... is just more of a name that associated the empire to the Church.

Of course we often speculate and question: "did the Catholic Church have the rights to crown a new emperor of Rome?"
in all honesty I dont know? maybe... I dont think so, I personally think Rome moved to Constantinople and the success of Rome kept on going through the Byzantines.

At the time of its inception, Christianity was threatened by Normans, Arabs, Huns and Slavs. The papacy needed a strong force to rely on, and the ruler of the Regnum Francorum Orientalis Otto I. was eager to upgrade his underdeveloped kingdom into an empire. And thus the pope and king of the Germans created the Holy Roman Empire.

I think it's really crucial, like you say, that in the HRE the Emperor was crowned by the Pope, the Pontifex Maximus. Back in the Roman times, this was certainly not the case. During the republic the Pontifex Maximus was a separate office that a person could run for, and had very limited power compared to the consuls. During the empire i'm not sure how the Pontifex Maximus was elected, but he certainly was subservient to the Emperor (who was treated like a god, with his own cult of worship).

So then in the HRE the tables were switched, and now the Pontifex Maximus, the "builder of bridges", between the people and the spiritual realm, now crowns the Emperor, and is in other words superior to the Emperor. Very important and interesting to consider.

It was first established by the French.

Nice try but the HRE was created BY A FUCKING SAXON(See Otto 1) and was then ruled by Swabian-Bavarian dynasties(Hohenstaufen + Habsburg)

Finally, Charlemagne and the Carolingians were Flemish(and can barely considered as "Franconian") aka Ripurians.

BTW Merovingians are French