REMINDER that Andrew Jackson ONLY had the Indians move East because nearby SETTLERS threatened to KILL them if they...

REMINDER that Andrew Jackson ONLY had the Indians move East because nearby SETTLERS threatened to KILL them if they didn't move off their territory where GOLD was discovered, and the ONLY thing he did wrong was shutting down the NATIONAL BANK

I'm here to shut down banks and kill indians, and I'm all out of indians.

Andrew Jackson did literally nothing wrong by shutting down the (((National Bank))).

yeah arbitrarily stashing government deposits in banks that are friends of your political party makes way more sense than an impartial professionally run central bank

Jackson (and Jefferson before him) were proto-fascists, standing for the common man against financial/industrial elites and staying out of geopolitics. It's a shame they didn't see that the agricultural elites ruling the south were just as shitty and rally against them too, but still, they were great men.

Neither Mussolini or Hitler "stood for the common man against the industrial elites." Both enjoyed symbiotic relationships with big business and crushed worker's rights.

Oh sure, a privately run "impartial" "central" "bank"

>clears the south of indians specifically because the land's potential could be better utilized by cotton plantations
>he only did it for their own good

I love Jackson but lets not pretend he was some kind of goody two shoes neocon. He knew what would be most advantageous for America and did not shy away from taking it.

The actual policy they implemented in power once they got it was just state capitalism, yes, but the actual philosophy they campaigned upon was corporatism, which absolutely was against unproductive elites.

Yeah I think it's a pretty good idea actually to have professional financial experts in charge of a central bank as opposed to politicians meddling with complex financial instruments for their own benefit.

Professional financial experts gave you the Great Depression and 2008 recession, where millions of people lost their jobs, houses, et cetera despite nothing actually happening to the capital goods that enabled those things

Politicians elected by the people, however, can take a big picture look at things and make it so completely pointless problems like those don't happen

They also facilitated the creation of huge megacorporations which supply you with cheap consumer goods, created secure investing vehicles and hedges which lower risk and increase yield, and lowered the cost of credit, allowing people to open businesses and finance mortgages after the closure of the frontier basically ended our "free land for the poor" policy.

>Professional financial experts gave you the Great Depression
The origins of the Depression go back to WW1 debts and the Treaty of Versailles throwing a wrench into global trade, the terms of which were not so much dictated by 'financial experts' but involved a complex interplay between the delegates and popular consideration back home. It's also important to note that it was legislatures around the world that passed the series of damaged Tariffs such as Hawley-Smoot that smothered world trade even further, not 'financial experts'. If anything the Great Depression highlights just how poor elected officials can be at interpreting a broad economic picture and prescribing an efficacious remedy.

In the 2008 financial crash too you can find its origins in LEGISLATION which distorted financial incentives to such an absurd degree that made the crisis possible.

The fact of the matter is that countries whose banks are prone to political meddling (brazil, argentia, venezula to name a few) perform much poorly than those who have an independent central bank.

Cheap consumer goods that don't actually make us happier and contribute to pollution, global warming, and obesity. Companies also intentionally make such goods worse than they could be to make them more money by releasing products they plan to obsolete in six months and mislead the public and undermine culture with deceptive marketing.

Everything else you listed is a "solution" to problems that only exist if capitalism does except maybe lowering the cost of credit for businesses, but the cheap credit typically goes to businesses smart enough to find places to fuck over their customers more than other businesses, not people who genuinely have a new idea. The government could do the same only for people who actually have ideas worth a toss and not just the internet slapped onto some energy expensive household appliance made for pennies in a foreign country or social media app #7 billion.

Yeah because government run services are renowned for their efficiency, propriety and quality.

but then the state government protected them and he had them move east anyway

>supreme court rules indians have no land rights
>state government starts making plans to evict them with no regard to where they might go
>president moves in, forces them to leave when the state was already going to make them leave a little later anyway, and gives them federal land to live on and have actual title to
>somehow the president is the villain here
hmmmmm

>Shutting down the National Bank
>Wrong

GOOD GOYIM

>be andrew jackson
>get famous for killing indians and winning the american agincourt at new orleans
>troops call you old hickory
>conduct an unauthorized invasion of spanish florida with your army in order to kill more indians
>while there arbitrarily execute british subjects you find aiding the indians causing an international incident
>so popular with the american people that nobody can do shit
>people start calling you the american napoleon
>corrupt politicians stage backroom deals to rob you of the presidency in 1824
>this only increases your popularity so get elected anyways in 1828
>so powerful that the entire democratic party is founded to be your yes-men and stays your yes-men a decade after your retirement
>first rumblings of southern secession
>threaten to send in the troops and they back down
>kill the banks
>james k polk nicknamed young hickory gets elected one year before your death
>continues to kill non whites and take more land

I don't know where OP gets the idea that Jackson was only acting with the purest Christian motives. Andrew Jackson's whole appeal to the American people was that he was the hero who slayed America's enemies and didn't play by the rules. It was in the middle class opposition to Jackson that the strain of noble savage - save the non whites rhetoric that has over time morphed into the culture war of today became endemic to US politics.

Actually he moved them West, and about as abusively as possible.

why do you even feel the need to defend him pushing out indians. also the bank thing is obvious bait

Apparently creating one of the worst financial recessions in US history is a good thing.

You spouted a whole bunch of nonsense. You clearly don't even have a surface knowledge of economics or business and you're regurgitating anti-market rhetoric from whatever Michael Moore documentary you just saw.

De Tocqueville didn't think much of Andrew Jackson, a sentiment shared by many political commentators of the day. He considered Jackson to be an unremarkable man who didn't possess the political qualifications and experience to hold his office, who's entire popularity rested on his military adventures and winning a battle that was an unremarkable feat of arms (New Orleans)