Where did centrism go wrong? Is pic related the sum total of it?

this Centrism is not moderation, it is a form of conformism.

No one is ever going to agree with each other 100% on everything so you have to be moderate on most issues so you can focus on more important things. What the center-left has done is declared "tolerance" an ends in itself, as a result they take a stand on nothing. Good wholesome rightists have their flaws but they are at least willing to tell the far-right to fuck off and tell poor people that most of their problems are their own fault and they are not entitled to other people's money. Constructive criticism never hurt anybody. The center-left does not do this, they pander to the extreme-left, they pander to anyone they can, they are shameless wibbly wobbly jellyfish.

He wasn't a centrist. He was preoccupied as a satyr and let other people run the government. Notably his wife, but more importantly Newt Gingrich and his Contract With America.

Clinton now takes credit for things he vetoed and was eventually forced to sign into law; things like the balanced budget, and welfare reform, etc.

The Clintons were, are, and will always be grifters.

Hmm, its almost like we live in a plutocracy ruled over by the rich who use the politicians as puppets and the republicans and democrats are two sides of the same coin

“As Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere quipped in the 1960s, when he was accused by the US of running a one-party state, ‘The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them’.”

Wow, it's almost like you don't have an answer to my question and have instead resorted to shilling @ me on whatever personal beliefs you hold. You know, like every post you cretins make on Veeky Forums. Neck yourselves.

He wasn't centrist, he was very right wing just like all the other Democrats. America doesn't have a true left wing party

Centrism is codeword for fascism.

When they pretended to be and effectively silenced the left. How many idiots go around thinking neoliberals are leftists?

the dnc is the party of the donor class, yuppies, and identity politics. they despise lower class people, especially lower class white people. They live in walled off communities applauding the death of middle america who they feel deserve everything that happens to them because they are morally inferior to rich people.
Liberalism is based off individual virtue and they convince themselves that poor people deserve their exploitation because they arent politically correct. Liberals maintain the corporate status quo.

Fascism is a right wing ideology

Everyone to the right of me is a fascist.

And I shoot fascists in the street.

I agree with you. I'm not American though. My country doesn't have a two-party system but we have historically had two main centre-right parties dominating the political landscape (this only having been shaken up very recently in the last 10 years) so I can empathise to some extent.

Identity politics creates a victim mentality in liberals where they think they can only be helped by a corrupt government.

political correctness does not solve problems, its buries them and makes liberals feel better about themselves.

Mass immigration is not done out of any kindness but rather as a form of providing cheap slave labor for the upperclass. (maids, farm workers).

Identity politics divides people of the same material conditions into a never ending oppression Olympics.

The democratic party deals in minority identity, the republican party deals in white identity, both parties actually work for the oligarchy and donor class

In america its the choice between center right corporate puppet or far right corporate puppet.

I am such a proud Arizona Citizen! We now have armed Alt-Right Militias and armed Communist Guerillas marching periodically on our capitol grounds without any interference from local or state government. The 1st and 2nd amendments are codependent. In most places in the United States, and most of the world these displays would have resulted in arrests, protests against the arrests, and then more crackdown to break up the groups, and then insurrection by the groups being suppressed. But in Arizona, the most free and secure place on the planet you can Speak Free and Arm yourself like a free uncucked feudal peasant and the big scary government doesn't even bother showing up. You can have crack pot ideas, be radical right or radical left and march on the capitol with rifles and be free. God bless Arizona.

Centrism is seeing both sides have gone full retard and refusing to participate in tribal bullshit.

when the right-wing can be described as "basically /pol/" it's hard to compromise

centrism is for cowards who think they are superior for being cowards.
Centerism means changing nothing while the corporate class continues its exploitation and destruction of the middle class.
Oh yeah, bill clinton the first black president ahhahaha get it.
He expanded the private prison program....

>SUBSCRIBE TO MY FALSE DICHOTOMY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Wow, so you vote for someone that simply speaks to you. Rust belt voters must be really lonely sad desperate voters.

>centrist managerial neoliberal who supports incremental small changes and comprise

Didn't he murder a guy?

This is the problem, the democratic party is not for lower class white people they have abandoned the worker and class politics for identity politics and coastal elitism
With no where else to turn they get exploited by far right demagogues.
Its a cancerous cycle created all thanks to centrism

>obama bails out banks

"heh, man white people are so dumb for voting republican and against their own interests"

Yes collaboration and compromise are so much more cowardly than demanding absolute adherence to your singular viewpoint. Not even willing to leave the slightest room for doubt that you maybe dont know the absolute answer for.everything and vast and broad viewpoints should inform you before you decide.

>other ideas are scary, I don't want to listen to anyone, make them stop mom, they are the cowards.

They wouldn't be my personal beliefs if I didn't believe in them.

How about a little more abstract nonpartisan opinion then. Try this one on for size.

The merit of centrism is that it attempts to bring people together who will never agree with each other, something that needs to be done, it is about taking into account every issue. The problem is that opportunism can be conflated with centrism and rather than challenging issues and trying to bring them to a conclusion and change society it just puts on a bandaid, the wound doesn't heal.

No but the compromise buys you time and time you can use to make opinions and come up with better options. The passage of time itself often changes the situation enough that the whole debate or issue changes fundamentally. Going to war about every single freaking sentence out if your oppositions mouth is silly childish autism.

During his tenure was pretty much the last time Republicans and Democrats actually got together long enough to accomplish some good. It went wrong because Clintons are Clintons and now we're all doomed to an endless cycle of hyper-tribal bullshit.

There's two sorts of centrism; the Clinton/Romney "just let us smart people figure things out" that screws over the poor, and the based Manchin/Perot centrism that actually stands for the common man.

>dumb white people don't understand the lesser of two evils

maybe as an ideal thats what centrism aspires to but in practices its altogether different

>They wouldn't be my personal beliefs if I didn't believe in them.

NO SHIT???????

didn't even read the rest of your post lol, even if your beliefs are right you're too stupid to argue them properly.

he didn't say that though. all he was saying is that trump was able to exploit the faults of the clintons and democrats to his advantage to get elected. maybe he does like trump but that's besides the point he was making.

Your question presupposed that Bill Clinton was a centrist, as opposed to a rapist.

>asks a loaded question which presupposes the answer
>gets butthurt when people don't answer it how you want

>they pander to the extreme-left,
I don't think you know what this means.
>Good wholesome rightists have their flaws but they are at least willing to tell the far-right to fuck off and tell poor people that most of their problems are their own fault and they are not entitled to other people's money.
and where do these so-called "wholesome" conservatives exist? have you met them all? you're whole "they're being poor is their fault" you also state as though it were objective truth without giving a thought to the other side. You're clearly a hothead who can't take a step back and how tendentious your account is.

i don't see a false dichotomy in his post. unless you mean that there can only be centrism and only be allegiance to the two-party system.

>Good wholesome rightists have their flaws but they are at least willing to tell the far-right to fuck off and tell poor people that most of their problems are their own fault and they are not entitled to other people's money.

I hate using this word, but you are such a fucking shill.

>i don't see a false dichotomy in his post.
>centrism is for cowards who think they are superior for being cowards.

There you go.

To be fair, everyone conceives of "true" reform as some sweeping dramatic gesture akin to a revolution. I think FDR set a bad standard in this regard because we simply can't accomplish this in the current system as it stands, either because there's something structurally wrong or because we don't have a charismatic statesmen in the mold of FDR or Hoover anymore aspiring to high political office (please don't say Trump he has nothing like the mental ability of the previous two I mentioned). My speculation is that all the "talent", the limited pool of truly brilliant people in our country, are no longer encouraged to go into politics but go into STEM, finance management or some parts of the private sector in hope of making a life long career for themselves and a big load of cash. I'm not a fan of /pol/, but the crass materialism and the lack of devotion to public service is a sign of degeneracy, at least in the political or ideological sense of the word.

But I digress. The main point I wanted to make was that in the past, MOST reform was very very incremental. Think of the reform of Britain, the German states (and then the German Empire) the habsburgs, even the russians. ALL of those countries experienced slow incremental change. It took Britain nearly 30 or 40 years to grant universal suffrage to men after the Great Reform. It took another 40 odd years to get the womens' vote. I can list off other examples but I think you get the idea. That's why I think incremental reform is really not that bad because historically political systems are much slower than private industry to respond to demand and change. The only problem nowadays is that there are existential threats such as climate change or environmental degredation and stuff like that that needs urgent action that incremental reform cannot solve

i think you mean false dilemma though. a false dichotomy is a type of false dilemma where two options are given that the person says are mutually exclusive but are really not. I can be wrong though cause i'm not familiar with formal logic desu

Hillary stood by him despite him cheating on her and possibly being a rapist. She's a good role model.

>tfw President Trump is exactly centrist outside his immigration policies and is the most objectively liberal President in decades which caused the Left to recede even further left and turned Republicans into sensible and reasonable citizens

I'm sorry, what planet are you living on?

> and tell poor people that most of their problems are their own fault and they are not entitled to other people's money.

Why do people still unironically believe this?

>wants to gut funding to government services except military
>denies global warming
>liberal

*man made

Which still puts him outside the overwhelming scientific consensus and aligned with the fossil fuel industries (arguably the most influential interest group in the country)

Good. The government should do as little as possible anyways.

Global warming isn't an issue for western countries because we actually keep our shit relatively clean. If you want to "fight the good fight" go talk to India and China, and tell them to stop polluting the world.

And stop thinking liberals are the bastions of science. They're just as fanatical as the right is.

He should cut the military too. We should stop giving Europe a free military so they can use money to repeatedly try failed socialist policies.

He was acquitted. Trump is "possibly a rapist" too you know. He literally created your very argument for expendable retards like you to repeat and deflect away from his own moral failings

>person says that x is a centrist
>but what about y
>well, at least he isn't a dirty liberal

Conservatives confirmed for needing to get hooked on phonics.

>Global warming isn't an issue for western countries because we actually keep our shit relatively clean.
stupidest post of the evening I've read. global warming will affect EVERYONE. Sea levels are going to rise, whether you believe in it or not, and the majority of the US live on the coast even a rise in 5 feet is a big fucking deal.

>claims that Trump is doing liberal things
>get btfo
>b-but none of those are good a-anyway
Yea stop shifting the goalposts

careful with those references, most of the people posting on this board weren't alive before the year 2000

Do you...know how the atmosphere works, user?

>He should cut the military too. We should stop giving Europe a free military so they can use money to repeatedly try failed socialist policies.

You realize that European welfare states have been weakening since the 1990s? Yet they've consistently contributed to better outcomes on poverty, inequality, and various other quality of life measurements...

Welfare states with oppositional ethnic underclasses will never fail

Endless money

>bunch of dumb yuppies drown
shoulda built higher

>caused the Left to recede even further left and turned Republicans into sensible and reasonable citizens
>hillary
>further left
do you really believe this?

>Wow, so you vote for someone that simply speaks to you over the one that just ignores you
And you can bet your ass that both candidates in 2020 will be paying attention to them now.

>Hillary
>left

Did someone say the Third Reich? Oh, you said "Third Way" my bad, man.

That's an interesting way to put a lack of respect for property rights, are you sure you're don't support the Democratic party platform comrade?

Centrism is like the green ending to Mass Effect 3.

Who's the moron who made that chart?

It is not Left or Right that is failing; it's the very concept of government. The Right says 'You can be safe. We can fix terrorism. Just give us more power.' And so we did.

The Left says 'We can fix your economics hardships. We can bring the jobs back. You can have it all with no consequences. We just need to have more power.' And so we did.

When will we stop relying on the government to fix problems, many times, problems that they have caused?