YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL

It was about a year ago, and I remember it only hazily, but I remember reading a fragment of a historical paper that suggested the fall of Rome was a good thing with regards to technological / economic development.

And not just in a "Chaos is a ladder" sort of way, but in the sense that the latifunda slave-driven system of large landowners actively depressed the impulse towards agrarian development or innovation.

I would appreciate any recommendations towards general histories in this vein. Every single book I've ever read on the Romans seems to always be "WE WUZ IMPERIALS N SHEET" pro-SPQR fanboyism. I would like to read something of the opposite perspective: that their empire was bad and they should feel bad.

*but i remember everything

thanks bro ive been studying all night

don't remember these in the song

>NO,THIS IS THE LIMIT. I'M PRESSING IT- NOW!
>YA-YATTA ZO

I never thought
I'd die alone
I'd laugh the loudest
who'd have known

>CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

I WEAR THIS CROWN OF THORNS
UPON MY LIAR'S CHAIR
FULL OF BROKEN THOUGHTS
I CANNOT REPAIR

YOU ARE SOMEONE ELSE
I AM STILL
RIGHT HERE

>THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

AND I'VE BEEN WRONG
I'VE BEEN DOWN
TO THE BOTTOM OF EVERY BOTTLE

>If I die young

>THIS IS A WAR WE CAN'T WIN
>AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS IT'S STILL US AGAINST THEM

THERE AIN'T NO GRAVE
CAN HOLD MY BODY DOWN
THERE AIN'T NO GRAVE
CAN HOLD MY BODY DOWN

>I hate myself.
>But, maybe, maybe I could love myself.
>Maybe, my life can have a greater value.
>That's right!
>I am no more or less than myself.
>I am me!
>I want to be me!
>I want to be here!
>It's alright for me to be here!

>Tostig Godwinson: Congratulations!
>Harald Hardrada: Congratulations!
>Harold Godwinson: Congratulations!
>Viking of Stanford Bridge: AGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHH
>Edwin and Morcar: Hey, Congratulations!
>Pope Alexander II and Edward the Confessor: Congratulations.
William: Thank you!

Give this user a cookie.

Kek, screencapped and saved

I will make you hurt

>slavery stopped innovation
Just look at the American south

IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY

IF I COULD START AGAIN

>No matter how much I pretend I wish I had you back again
>'Cause nothing else means half as much as you
>My world just seemed to die the day you left my side
>And I can't forget no matter what I do

>When they poured across the border
>I was cautioned to surrender,
>this I could not do
>I took my gun and vanished.

>J'ai change' cent fois de nom,
>j'ai perdu femme et enfants
>mais j'ai tant d'amis
>j'ai la France entie`re.

UPON PILLARS OF SALT
AND PILLARS OF SAND

I WILL LET YOU DOWN
I WILL MAKE YOU HURT

What happened to Hagoland and gibralatar

Somebody tell this shit is accurate.

Underrated, not enough Rubicon jokes on the planet

Too small.

DON'T STOP ME NOW

REVOLUTIONARIES WAIT
FOR MY HEAD ON A SILVER PLATE

ONE
NOTHIN WRONG WITH ME
NOTHIN WRONG

SOMETHINS GOT TO GIVE
SOMETHINS GOT TO GIVE

LET THE BODIES HIT THE

FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

You keep on accusing me
Of making your life misery
But if that's not abusing me, what isn't
You wanna be my friend, well it's too late
My love for you has turned to hate

>the opposite perspective: that their empire was bad and they should feel bad.

That is quite literally been the scholarly mainstream since the 1970s. Much focus has been made on the institution of slavery and the horrifying blood lust of the Roman people that goes far beyond even their contemporaries.

Rome certainly was a stagnant beast technologically speaking, but its demise did lead to several centuries of reverses.

I AM DROWNING, THERE IS NO SIGN OF LAND
YOU ARE COMING DOWN WITH ME, HAND IN UNLOVABLE HAND

AND I HOPE YOU DIE
I HOPE WE BOTH DIE

RULES OF NATURE

What the fuck is happening in France and Africa

being taken by germanics, dont you know basic roman history breh

The Gallic bit was the part of France held by the Roman master of soldiers Aegidius and his son Syagrius, even after the rest of Gaul broke away under independent polities controlled by Germanic tribes like the Visigoths (south-west), Burgundians (SE) and Franks (NE), or had broken away independently (Armorica in the NW or Vasconia in the SW).

Most of Africa had been seized by the Vandals or broken away to become independent Romano-Moorish kingdoms, aside from the part of Tingitania near Tingis and Sala which was held by loyal Roman governors.

>WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALL
>ROLLING IN THE DEEP

I believe they found some skeletons that showed signs better nutrition immediately after the fall of rome.

My thoughts about were: after rome fell, the weighty, corrupt beurocracy vanished over night, allowing farmers to keep more of their crop since they didnt have to pay taxes. And at this point all of the infrastructure was still around, and more importantly people still KNEW the things that the romans knew. But as decades passed knowledge was lost and aqueducts crumbled and eventually things got much worse.

kek

Your post is somewhat accurate, yes. Roman taxes were crushing by the standards of a subsistence food-production ancient state. It is unlikely many people missed it (if they even noticed it had gone).

>WHEN YA SAY LIFE TAKES TURNS
>LIKE FIERY SHADOWS

>tfw Ireland is the key to British success

>BUT I WASN'T BORN TO DIE LIKE A DOG
>I WAS BORN TO DIE JUST LIKE A MAN

Little boxes, on the hillside.
Little boxes, made of ticky-tacky.
Little boxes, on the hillside.
Little boxes, all the same.

THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE
I STOLE A THOUSAND BEGGARS' CHANGE
AND GAVE IT TO THE RICH

But it didn't vanish over night, the Roman government slowly disappeared rather than straight up vanishing in a day. Many romans still lived under roman law despite the king being a germanic, and the ostrogoths under Odoacer were still officially clients of julius nepos and then the eastern emperor

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>portugal part of the empire

Lmao okay senpai

Learn your history

He captured one city and got blow the fuck out

NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

"Why Nations Fail" has a segment on Rome I believe, and discusses the phenomenon you're describing at length.

>their empire was bad and they should feel bad
I don't know if this is really the case. I think it would be more accurate to say that the success of Empire destroyed the values that made it possible in the first place.

I shaved my ass today
and then I picked my heels

Fall of the Roman Empire by Peter Heather goes into this.

The Roman Empire was essentially a one-party state whose exsistance actively depressed living conditions for a huge slice of the population. You can actually see evidence of the discontent, specifically in barbarian invasions of the Balkans. The archaeological evidence shows that farmers joined in the pillaging, and actively targeted the rich. Not a united politic, rather a really repressed citizenry who sided with the invader over there own rulers.

>That damned Empire, it still works?!

WELL YOU CAN TELL EVERYONE I'M A DAMN DISGRACE

I NEVER THOUGHT
I'D DIE ALONE

PLEASE TELL MOM THIS IS NOT HER FAULT

I HATE MYSELF MORE THEN YOU EVER COULD

SPEEDY SPEED BOY

DRAAAG MY NAME ALL OVER THE PLACE
I DON'T CARE ANYMORE

YOU AIN'T NOTHIN BUT A HOUND DOG

>One city

Which is why the royal family fled to Brazil and started LARPing as emperors?

seas would rise when I gave the word

I SET FIRE
TO THE RAIN

I don't get any of these, are these song references or something?

>STAND UP AND FIGHT
>STAND UP AND LOOK INTO THE LIGHT
>PUSHING THE CLOUDS AWAY

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong

I hope you are all thinking of the Johnny Cash version which is more patrician.

>ONE TWO THREE FOUR
>I DON'T WANNA LIVE NO MORE

PUSH ME AGAIN
THIS IS THE END

AND THE CAT'S IN THE CRADLE AND THE SILVER SPOON
LITTLE BOY BLUE AND THE MAN ON THE MOON

WHEN YOU'RE COMING HOME, SON, I DON'T KNOW WHEN
BUT WE'L GET TOGETHER THEN

Without you, I feel broke
Like I'm half of a whole
Without you, I've got no hand to hold

AND IT WILL COME, LIKE A FLOOD OF PAIN

POURING DOWN ON ME

AND IT WILL NOT LET UP

UNTIL THE END IS HERE

AND IT WILL COME THROUGH THE DARKEST DAY

IN MY FINAL HOUR

AND IT WIILL NEVER REST UNTIL THE CLOUDS ARE CLEAR

UNTIL IT FINDS MY DREAMS HAVE DISAPPEARED

MY DREAMS DISAPPEAR...

>Rome was less innovative than Medieval Europe
Christcuck detected

I met you before the fall of Rome
And I begged you to let me take you home
You were wrong, I was right
You said goodbye, I said goodnight

It's all been done
It's all been done
It's all been done before

I knew you before the west was won
And I heard you say the past
Was much more fun
You go your way, I go mine
But I'll see you next time

let the bodies hit the floor....let the bodies hit the floor...let the bodies hit the―

FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR

No one knows what it's like...
to be the bad man
to be the sad man
BEHIND BLUE EYES

my sides

but my dreeeeaaams
they aren't as empty
as my conscience seems to be

my love is vengeance
that's never freeeeee

IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING, IT ALL COMES
TUMBLING DOWN, TUMBLING DOWN,
TUMBLING DOWN
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING, I JUST KEEP
LETTING ME DOWN, LETTING ME DOWN,
LETTING ME DOWN
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING, IT ALL COMES
TUMBLING DOWN, TUMBLING DOWN,
TUMBLING DOWN
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING, I JUST KEEP
LETTING ME DOWN, LETTING ME DOWN,
LETTING ME DOWN

WHAT IF I WANTED TO BREAK